nlPoster:


Dont call real people half blooded please, it's very rude.

Mixed is the appropriate term.

https://www.nairaland.com/5765389/dont-call-people-half-blooded

I know Nigerians hate being told to mind their utterances but you really ought to know better because I'm sure you're an adult.

samuk:


If political correctness is the only issues here, no problem.

gomojam:
which Epe? Abeg stop allocating unnecessary importance to unworthy kingdom. They were incapable of that or you provide the evidence for that.

nlPoster:


It's not political correctness, it's about having manners.

Opiletool:


Don't mind the idiot. He even mentioned far away Idanre.

TAO11:


cc: gomojam

Those Binis are deluded actually.

Nothing of such actually happened, in any of those places, as they love to claim.

Spread the word: Bini Nairalanders are a bunch of diagnosed mythomaniacs!

Having spread that, you may like to see my comment at the link below. I recall we once discussed something like this:

https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/14#87905826

Cheers!

samuk:


Nna me, biko I don't hate Igbos, they are my beloved, just that it's sometimes appropriate to educate you guys, you will be surprised how many Igbo half blood nephews, nieces and cousins I have in my family, not to talk of fantastic inlaws, friends and business associates.

This is the very reason someone like me will never support Biafra break away and another war against the Igbos.

People like yourself can keep dreaming about Biafra that will never materialised.

samuk:


However I choose to address my family members is actually none of your business.

MelesZenawi:



Biafra will happen like dreaming. Continue campaigning against it instead of supporting it.

samuk:


Biafra will only happen when you stop chasing shadows and know your real enemies, as it stands, most of you can't tell your enemies from your friends.

The so called minorities are not your enemies in the south but the Yorubas.

You guys are having the same problem Ojukwu had by not being able to tell his enemy from his friends.

Ojukwu was the one that released Awolowo from Enugu prison where he was serving 10 years prison term for treason.

Ojukwu thought Awolowo will support his Biafra and it was reported that Awolowo actually promised that if the Igbos leave Nigeria the Yorubas will.

Ojukwu went into the war believing this only for Awolowo to join Gowon's government when he got to Lagos and was advising the Nigeria government on how to win the war.

One of his advice was for Gowon to introduce economic blockade of the east to stop food from getting to the Igbos, he said that you can't keep feeding your enemies to have the strength to be fighting you.

This single policy resulted in the mass starvation of the Igbos and millions died. More Igbos died from starvation than bullets and guns.

After the war Awolowo as finance minister only compensated Igbos that lost their money in Nigeria banks with 20 naira only.

When Nigeria decided to nationalised foreign owned companies, Awolowo gave his Yoruba people loans to buy the shares of those companies and the Igbos were not able because they only got 20 naira for their lost money in Nigeria banks.

The Yoruba took over Igbo political position in Nigeria and moved from the position of opposition in the 1960s to their current position and Igbos still haven't recovered since then.

So you must first identify your friends and your enemies.

I already told about the relationship between the east and mid west before the war, but Ojukwu and his Biafra decided to invade and occupied a neutral mid west rather than take the fight to his enemies.

While he was wasting time in mid west expecting Awolowo to declare Oduduwa republic, the federal troops were strategising with Awolowo help on how to defeat Biafra.

Opiletool:


They act like unleashed internet urchins, making dubious claims here and there.

As for your comment on the other thread, absolutely brilliant. I'd still want you to expand more on the Ethiopia angle though. Maybe research more on the claims of that friend of yours.

Also, how do you see the claim of similarity between yoruba language and old semitic language?

MelesZenawi:




This is the one real load of good write up, I undoubtedly agreed to...

The scenerio was well captured...

Today the children of Awolowo are denying that it wasn't Ojukwu that released awolowo.

samuk:


It may also interests you to know that it was also
reported that the Igbo military officers that planned and executed the failed coup intended to release Awolowo from prison and made him the prime minister of Nigeria because they thought Tafawa government was too corrupt.

Opiletool:


Don't mind the idiot. He even mentioned far away Idanre.

Opiletool:


Don't mind the idiot. He even mentioned far away Idanre.

TAO11:


cc: gomojam

Those Binis are deluded actually.

Nothing of such actually happened, in any of those places, as they love to claim.

Spread the word: Bini Nairalanders are a bunch of diagnosed mythomaniacs!

Having spread that, you may like to see my comment at the link below. I recall we once discussed something like this:

https://www.nairaland.com/5738539/benin-governor-kneels-greet-king/14#87905826

Cheers!

samuk:


Are the Igbos now calling on Yoruba to come and bail them out? Lol.

TAO11:
Nice one macof!

Keep up the great service.

I will also be joining in to this debate in the nearest time.

Keep schooling the deliberately ignorant Edo slave of the Yorubas, that is, ghostwon ---whom I have beaten blue and black so much as to cause him to dissociate himself from his prolog3111 account.

It appears it is hightime he dissociated himself from this account ghostwon account as well.

One thing you can be sure of is that, he feels extremely inferior to you for your being Yoruba, but at the same time he is a diagnosed mythomaniac.

Encountering a Yoruba persons brings him agonizing memories of the conquest of yore which he is nevertheless stuck with as an Edo.

I kind of understand his frustrations to be frank, despite often using him for entertainment and leisure.

But what he needs to realize as a matter of urgency is that the quantum of quality schooling he has received at our hands --- as proud and noble Yorubas that we are --- can severely damage and destroy his self-inflicted ignorance.

ghostwon aka prolog3111, you can't continue living a lie, or can you?

gomojam:
Are you shivering already?

samuk:


If political correctness is the only issue here, no problem, point taken but we will not allow our beautiful Igbo wives to become citizens of one funny yeye country that will be called Biafra.

samuk:


Shivering?

The Benin know that current day Yorubas are made up of the original indigines that inhabit that space and those whose ancestors were returned from Latin America, Sierra Leone after the abolition of slavery and those from Dahomey.

When we hear some of you saying, Benin never did this, Benin never did that, we understand because your ancestors may not have been returned to Nigeria from Latin America where they were cutting sugar canes and picking cottons from sugar cane and cotton plantations of Latin America.

When the Benin is reluctant to engage some Yoruba, they are just avoiding downgrading themselves because you don't know who you may be engaging because Yorubas come in different shades and colours.

Not all who claim to be Yorubas are Omo luwabi.

Some of you are the ones that argue Lagos history and history of Lagos monarchy with the Oba of Lagos.

One of your compatriots has already told you guys how Benin decimated everything around them, she may be the only true and original Yoruba indigines around here that knows her/Yoruba history, I do not expect the rest of you to know and that's fine by us because your ancestors were not around then.


You can keep arguing with yourselves.

samuk:


Shivering?

The Benin know that current day Yorubas are made up of the original indigines that inhabit that space and those whose ancestors were returned from Latin America, Sierra Leone after the abolition of slavery and those from Dahomey.

When we hear some of you saying, Benin never did this, Benin never did that, we understand because your ancestors may not have been returned to Nigeria from Latin America where they were cutting sugar canes and picking cottons from sugar cane and cotton plantations of Latin America.

When the Benin is reluctant to engage some Yoruba, they are just avoiding downgrading themselves because you don't know who you may be engaging because Yorubas come in different shades and colours.

Not all who claim to be Yorubas are Omo luwabi.

Some of you are the ones that argue Lagos history and history of Lagos monarchy with the Oba of Lagos.

One of your compatriots has already told you guys how Benin decimated everything around them, she may be the only true and original Yoruba indigines around here that knows her/Yoruba history, I do not expect the rest of you to know and that's fine by us because your ancestors were not around then.


You can keep arguing with yourselves.

lx3as:


You're still here blabbing, instead of you to
cover your face in shame with irrelevant and
fake submissions you and your ilks gave on
public forum like this. You've been busted
badly already.
If I were you I would ponder on where Bini is today and where Yorubas are? Yorubas (and their culture and religions) have continue to expand to every angle of the world and Bini has
diminished to less than 5 local government
areas which Ijaws and others are dragging
with them. A blind and deaf can easily tell
which is great among these two and who is telling the truth.
You and your friends can continue to dance nicked in an open market, no one will beg you; we are always around...

gomojam:
Which ancestors? Where were they taken before they returned?

Of course you are gonna agree to her narrative because it inflated your shallow ego. Our 'compatriot' was the same as you Ignorant Benins who are not well versed in history but are quick to reeling out fairytales due to blind patriotism.

Peddle your falsehood else where; an inferior group to yours. Those who do not have strong foundation and account of history to counter your revisionist agenda, not the intellectually fitted and tactical people like the Yorubas.

Cheers.

samuk:


Who is more authentic when it comes to history is not by population or land mass.

Rome is now almost just confined to the Vatican today and that doesn't mean that they didn't civilised Europe.

Rome colonised England for 400 years and we can still see their many footprints all over England and Europe.

Can you compare the size and population of England let alone the rest of Europe they once control with Rome today?

Like I said before, to engage some of you is to belittle one self.

lx3as:


So all the evidence and reference being posted by Omoluabi gbogbo above are not enough?
Many of us grew up with positive thoughts for Bini and her people but your lies and fake revisions have done great damage to that. You should know we're not empty and not tired to busting your lies. Continue!

samuk:


Benin know the Omoluabi Yorubas and most don't engage in revisionist history and to that extent, we share cordial relationships with them. It's the fake majority that tries to shout down the voices of these Omoluabis

lx3as:


We too don't have problems with average Edo person/people but when you write about your past glory, you don't have to belittle others to make your points, if not you're looking for trouble...

TAO11:


Thanks for your time bro. Those Binis are mere frustrated noise makers. And we all know the reason for their frustration. It's an open secret.

Yeah, I will read on the Kisra episode, I haven't began any serious reading on it yet.

However, there is quite concrete evidence on ground already --- regarding the North-Africa/NorthEast Africa connection --- which establishes fairly definitively that the direction of migration (of the civilization who made those monoliths) was upward, and not downward.

That day I was too tired to pursue the details of the proof and referencing for that point, in that same comment. Moreover, I was only about five words near the word limit for a Nairaland comment. I will definitely return to it in a separate comment.

Regarding the alleged similarity between "old Semitic" languages and Yoruba language:

I once passionately held the view of a similarity of languages which led me to the popular conclusion of direct causation. No, it's a big fallacy with tons of setback.

My fair reading on the subject has shown quite clearly that some words are bound to sound alike (and mean the same thing) in almost every two randomly selected languages.

A proefssor of Yoruba language or Yoruba history (I can't remeber which specifically at the moment) once went to teach in Japan. Guess what! He returned with many Japanese words which not only similar sounds as Yoruba words, but also have same meanings.

Iṣ(é) in Turkish also means work. Have you considered the English word Me and it Yoruba equivalent? Many more examples can be found in virtually all languages.

What do we then conclude from all these?:

That the Yoruba people are originally Japanese, Turkish, Anglo-Saxon, and many, many more all at the same time?

Or that this indeed corroborates the glottochonological linguistic view that all modern languages have evolved slowly over milleniums from few fairly mutually intelligible proto-languages?

Or that several of the observed similarities are in fact what linguists term accidental coincidences?

These last two cases obviously seem to be more tenable in contrast to the first which is extremely unlikely if not ridiculous.

So, the observed similarities with ancient "Semitic" (several of which are sheer exaggeration or outright falsehoods) are nothing unique.

In fact, you can make almost any word in a language sound like (and have some quite related meaning to) another word in another language.

It's all a function of your perfect ingenuity, strong imagination, and high intuition.

cc: macof

gregyboy:


[s]I had confronted you about the oghene you link to yoruba as wrong, you all have resulted in twisting history to benefits your aims

Nonsense tribe edos are akways hete to debunk your fake lies[/s]

TAO11:


Thanks for your time bro. Those Binis are mere frustrated noise makers. And we all know the reason for their frustration. It's an open secret.

Yeah, I will read on the Kisra episode, I haven't began any serious reading on it yet.

However, there is quite concrete evidence on ground already --- regarding the North-Africa/NorthEast Africa connection --- which establishes fairly definitively that the direction of migration (of the civilization who made those monoliths) was upward, and not downward.

That day I was too tired to pursue the details of the proof and referencing for that point, in that same comment. Moreover, I was only about five words near the word limit for a Nairaland comment. I will definitely return to it in a separate comment.

Regarding the alleged similarity between "old Semitic" languages and Yoruba language:

I once passionately held the view of a similarity of languages which led me to the popular conclusion of direct causation. No, it's a big fallacy with tons of setback.

My fair reading on the subject has shown quite clearly that some words are bound to sound alike (and mean the same thing) in almost every two randomly selected languages.

A proefssor of Yoruba language or Yoruba history (I can't remeber which specifically at the moment) once went to teach in Japan. Guess what! He returned with many Japanese words which not only sounds similar to Yoruba words, but also have same meanings.

Iṣ(é) in Turkish also means work. Have you considered the English word Me and it Yoruba equivalent? Many more examples can be found in virtually all languages.

What do we then conclude from all these?:

That the Yoruba people are originally Japanese, Turkish, Anglo-Saxon, and many, many more all at the same time?

Or that this indeed corroborates the glottochonological linguistic view that all modern languages have evolved slowly over milleniums from few fairly mutually intelligible proto-languages?

Or that several of the observed similarities are in fact what linguists term accidental coincidences?

These last two cases obviously seem to be more tenable in contrast to the first which is extremely unlikely if not ridiculous.

So, the observed similarities with ancient "Semitic" (several of which are sheer exaggeration or outright falsehoods) are nothing unique.

In fact, you can make almost any word in a language sound like (and have some quite related meaning to) another word in another language.

It's all a function of your perfect ingenuity, strong imagination, and high intuition.

cc: macof

macof:


Right now on another thread I'm engaging 3 guys who insist Yoruba are semitic
Coming up with ideas like Aramean is Oranmiyan, Deborah is Ebora, Malaki and Ejilu (of the Ẹyọ origin story) are Malachi and Elijah

One thing I've come to realise is that Africans live with so much inferiority complex
You have seen it in the Binis on this forum
But I have seen it in our people too. I see it in African Americans almost daily

Inferiority complex is exposed in two forms
-aggression and resentment for a people who you consider but do not accept are superior to you. A constantly triggered defense mechanism is employed where you try to belittle the person to feel good about yourself
-dismissing your own identity or elements of it that you think make you inherently inferior for that of someone else you think superior

When I see Blacks who are ashamed of African origin but want to be anything else I am disgusted, because I can't even relate and for me I wonder why I would shun common sense and disregard evidence and studies for imaginations

As you've implied, any layman can come up with so called "language connections" all you need is imagination, that's even when you should be suspicious... That it's laymen without skills or particular knowledge that are coming up with such huge but easy "connections"
I mean who can't see how interestingly similar "Ebora" is to "Deborah" but how is this a valid connection?
You wouldn't know better than (historical) linguists, if it were so easy for any random person then these scholars are wasting their time