kabe1:


We make armoured vehicles in Nigeria, why should we import second hand humvees?

A humvee will only protect against small arms fire, it would get decimated by large caliber weapons.

What Nigeria really needs are heavy infantry weapons and Tanks. Supported by UAVs and self towed artilleries.

We badly, very badly need weapons in the 30mm range.

We need Tanks, T-72 or T-90 Tanks. Frontal core of our attack, supported by 30mm or 57mm cannons.

We need ATGMs mounted on pick-up trucks, then more MRAP APCs.

We have no use for Humvees.

What I mean is that at least 2nd hand Humvees should be the minimum for patrols/missions rather than Toyota Hilux that's assuming we don't have the money to go for the best which is the excuse they always give. Hilux have no business in the NE.

ugo4u:
The army has no business using Toyota vehicles in the northeast, it's an embarrassment, rather than buy Toyota we should use that money and buy second hand Humvees from US used during the Iraq war, though it has its own flaws, it's far better than Light skin vehicles.
The Humvees can even be given to us free because the US has decommissioned it and are dashing some of their allies in West Africa..
Again, we're not serious tomorrow they'll sign another multi million dollar deal to purchase another set of Toyota light skin. We can even meet proforce/ Innoson to replicate the Humvees with better ballistic characteristics, but guymen must cashout.
The army knows what they want believe you me there are very smart guys both at the officer cadre and NCO cadre but corruption no dey let us to the right thing.

Agreed with the pain of a bitter truth.

How much do you think the NA procure one toyota gun truck for ? My estimation at least $45k could be a lot more.

Then ask yourself how much does a used APC cost ? In management the word "best value" always comes up and best use of resources for the most effective delivery outcomes.

Having that thought in mind and as a comparison with the notion of "best value" consider what we paid the Chinese for those re-modelled Mig 21's the FN-7and how reliable they have been and effective. Then compare that to the 20 year old + Alpha Jets. Then ask the question which has been "best value" most reliable and effective.

The problem goes back to seeking the best deal for individuals as opposed to whats "best value" and fit for purpose for the NAF.

kabe1:


We make armoured vehicles in Nigeria, why should we import second hand humvees?

A humvee will only protect against small arms fire, it would get decimated by large caliber weapons.

What Nigeria really needs are heavy infantry weapons and Tanks. Supported by UAVs and self towed artilleries.

We badly, very badly need weapons in the 30mm range.

We need Tanks, T-72 or T-90 Tanks. Frontal core of our attack, supported by 30mm or 57mm cannons.

We need ATGMs mounted on pick-up trucks, then more MRAP APCs.

We have no use for Humvees.

Nig. Army needs fleets of fit for CT-COIN small size night combat capable tanks before ISWAP kill us finish with RPG barrage, 100 fired against one single NA unit ! Also true NA needs 30mm or 25mm gunner IFV fleets to kill insurgents' vehicle forces after tanks absorb frontal attack heavy fires from the enemy. APCs not needed if NA upgrades our MRAP and Up-Armoured Toyota Land Cruiser 4WD all to arm up 14.5mm guns, air-mobile QRF units, and long range-high endurance light patrols to dominate all high risk Nigerian territories N.E to N.W. and for terrains too soft for tanks or IFVs ride.

ATGM is like Nigerian Army is cursed by witchcraft not to buy them for use against BHT and ISWAP anti-aircraft gun trucks killing us daily.

Maj. Gen. Adeniyi's viral video is a big lesson for all Nigerians, he had NAF response CAS helicopter gunship engaging the enemy and yet the helicopter gunship could not eliminate dozens upon dozens of insurgent gun trucks in CQB and constant repeated waves of insurgents' attacks round the clock, that's where IFV fleet on ground is best solution to win on ground by staying 24/7 on ground carrying our soldiers into hot battle under armour protection and with 30mm or 25mm rapido fire cannons in support against these newly capable enemies very mobile on ground.

This war is again starting afresh, NA redeployed dozens of top brass officers to avoid sack of service chiefs demanded by frustrated citizens and angry law makers. True some big elites profiting money from this war are prolonging it, but true also, its because our president is not using his full powers brilliantly, to choose vital or key equipment and lead their procurement , meet with, sign contract, hand give payment cheques to fellow Presidents Putin and Jinping, then demand live videos of deliveries at sea port, air port, Borno frontline, as proof same major new equipment all arrived war zones. He appoints key commanders, fire any for average performance after setting high standard of performance for all frontline commanders.

Seeing President Deby of Chad carry 9mm side arm wear camo enter battle leading his army against ISWAP after 92 Chadian officers and men were KIA in few hours, I think Nigerian Army Chief of Staff should copy that and leave admin ceremonial works to lead his troops into battle, I think Lt. Gen. T.Y. Buratai should take over and lead that very same regiment Maj. Gen. Adeniyi led (before HQ redeployed him) and was hammered by insurgents with over 100 mortar shells, 100 RPG rockets, flanked by 15 x 2 gun trucks with AAA/HMG, and so let him be our army leader practically​ in battle, national duty calls, please show loyalty sir.

For P. M. Buhari now too old for the field, let him handle all major new army weapons procurement directly by himself, stop this buying of ineffective equipment prolonging this war, if he lacks modern procurement ideas, someone here mentioned that guy they call Beegeagle, I Googled his details, let President Buhari hire him as new procurement technical adviser, then I think we can hope to end this war in 24 months.

My 2 Kobo Suggestions.

Happy New month Everyone
We thank God for seeing the month of April
It's quite sad what we're experience in Nigeria Mostly The North East
Tribute to those who gave their today for our tommorow
Those who stay awake so we may sleep
They are the fathers/ Mothers to some childern
They are siblings,uncles and aunts to some out there..
Despite the fact that they lack essential tools of war they still pull out some daring feat..
Their work won't be in vain.
We won't end up signing peace deal with these demons..
They most suffer.
As for us all who knows what's happening in the north east enough criticism and start voicing out hope the men and women of War..
We can still win this..
We're still strong
We are Africa's Gaint
In Mandela's words: Africa will not be respected until Nigeria gets it's respect..
But we have to make it happen guys..
In our own little way..
God bless Nigeria
God bless the Armed forces of Nigeria..

Toju200:
Happy New month Everyone
We thank God for seeing the month of April
It's quite sad what we're experience in Nigeria Mostly The North East
Tribute to those who gave their today for our tommorow
Those who stay awake so we may sleep
They are the fathers/ Mothers to some childern
They are siblings,uncles and aunts to some out there..
Despite the fact that they lack essential tools of war they still pull out some daring feat..
Their work won't be in vain.
We won't end up signing peace deal with these demons..
They most suffer.
As for us all who knows what's happening in the north east enough criticism and start voicing out hope the men and women of War..
We can still win this..
We're still strong
We are Africa's Gaint
In Mandela's words: Africa will not be respected until Nigeria gets it's respect..
But we have to make it happen guys..
In our own little way..
God bless Nigeria
God bless the Armed forces of Nigeria..

That statement above is considered here as a voice of an ISWAP Sympathizer.

SamuelAnyawu:


That statement above is considered here as a voice of an ISWAP Sympathizer.

.

The troops of Operation Lafiya Dole (OPLD) has destroyed another logistics base of the Boko Haram Terrorists at Ngoske in the fringes of Sambisa forest in Borno State, the Defence Headquarters says.

The Acting Director, Defence Media Operations, Benard Onyeuko, a brigadier general, disclosed this in a statement on Tuesday in Abuja.

Mr Onyeuko said the feat was achieved in an air raid conducted by the Air Component of OPLD in a subsidiary operation, Decisive Edge on Monday.

He explained that the air strikes were conducted following credible intelligence reports indicating the existence of some structures within the settlements used by the terrorists to store their arms and other logistics items.

“Accordingly, following confirmatory Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) missions, which showed significant activity in the settlement, Nigerian military fighter jets were dispatched to attack the location.

“The jets’ bombs and rockets recorded accurate hits on target leading to the destruction of the base as well as the neutralization of some Boko Haram fighters.

“The Armed Forces of Nigeria, in furtherance of the objective of restoring peace and security in the Northeast, will continue to sustain the offensive against the enemies of our dear Nation,” he said.

ecomog1990:


Nig. Army needs fleets of fit for CT-COIN small size night combat capable tanks before ISWAP kill us finish with RPG barrage, 100 fired against one single NA unit ! Also true NA needs 30mm or 25mm gunner IFV fleets to kill insurgents' vehicle forces after tanks absorb frontal attack heavy fires from the enemy. APCs not needed if NA upgrades our MRAP and Up-Armoured Toyota Land Cruiser 4WD all to arm up 14.5mm guns, air-mobile QRF units, and long range-high endurance light patrols to dominate all high risk Nigerian territories N.E to N.W. and for terrains too soft for tanks or IFVs ride.

ATGM is like Nigerian Army is cursed by witchcraft not to buy them for use against BHT and ISWAP anti-aircraft gun trucks killing us daily.

Maj. Gen. Adeniyi's viral video is a big lesson for all Nigerians, he had NAF response CAS helicopter gunship engaging the enemy and yet the helicopter gunship could not eliminate dozens upon dozens of insurgent gun trucks in CQB and constant repeated waves of insurgents' attacks round the clock, that's where IFV fleet on ground is best solution to win on ground by staying 24/7 on ground carrying our soldiers into hot battle under armour protection and with 30mm or 25mm rapido fire cannons in support against these newly capable enemies very mobile on ground.

This war is again starting afresh, NA redeployed dozens of top brass officers to avoid sack of service chiefs demanded by frustrated citizens and angry law makers. True some big elites profiting money from this war are prolonging it, but true also, its because our president is not using his full powers brilliantly, to choose vital or key equipment and lead their procurement , meet with, sign contract, hand give payment cheques to fellow Presidents Putin and Jinping, then demand live videos of deliveries at sea port, air port, Borno frontline, as proof same major new equipment all arrived war zones. He appoints key commanders, fire any for average performance after setting high standard of performance for all frontline commanders.

Seeing President Deby of Chad carry 9mm side arm wear camo enter battle leading his army against ISWAP after 92 Chadian officers and men were KIA in few hours, I think Nigerian Army Chief of Staff should copy that and leave admin ceremonial works to lead his troops into battle, I think Lt. Gen. T.Y. Buratai should take over and lead that very same regiment Maj. Gen. Adeniyi led (before HQ redeployed him) and was hammered by insurgents with over 100 mortar shells, 100 RPG rockets, flanked by 15 x 2 gun trucks with AAA/HMG, and so let him be our army leader practically​ in battle, national duty calls, please show loyalty sir.

For P. M. Buhari now too old for the field, let him handle all major new army weapons procurement directly by himself, stop this buying of ineffective equipment prolonging this war, if he lacks modern procurement ideas, someone here mentioned that guy they call Beegeagle, I Googled his details, let President Buhari hire him as new procurement technical adviser, then I think we can hope to end this war in 24 months.

My 2 Kobo Suggestions.

I don't agree with you.

Unfortunately just like many of our university Professors not all, they get lazy and use the same notes for decades. Don't improve or update thier knowledge base and think research grants are used to enrich themselves.

In this regard l would say that PMB is the same hr is not conversant with contemporary strategy and weaponry. Consider the difference between DOS and Windows in IT. That's how far apart they are.

I start off from the position of "best value" and greatest impact for minimal cost. We simply don't have the money.

When you are surrounded by Technicals mounted with the obligatory Dhsk or similar 12.7mm HMG. You have several options.

The Sahel savanna is covered with small trees and thick shrubs. Very difficult to get direct hit so ATGM's will have greater efficacy from the air not the ground.

You might consider the RPG it's effective range is more like 300 metres there are limitations. After that highly inaccurate.

If 100 RPG's are targetted at you and they all landed nobody will be standing to tell the story. Only a few, if that will get through they are also hampered by the obstructions of shrubs and small trees in the Sahel savanna. But they create great terror and keep you at bay or pinned down.

Back to the Technicals that are not mounted with stabilisers and are great at spreading terror. But not particularly accurate beyond 400 metres. They can keep you pinned down, if you have don't have precision weaponry to respond with.

A trained operative with a 50 Cal. M82 Berretta or similar in 25 minutes. Will at even 1000 metres take out the engine blocks i.e. engine kaput of each of those Technicals. That essentially immobilises them and they can't move, if he is really good he can also disintegrate the gun itself.

If the troops around him who can easily take cover in the Sahel. Have optic sights on thier assault rifles, grenade launchers and night vision then they will have overriding advantage. Unfortunately they do not.

That means the very heavy and immobile MRAPS can take up frontal assault positions and advance. Unfortunately, they don't have a remote weapons station, with FLIR and target acquisition soft Ware. Combatants are using steel sights not even optical, so the precision is limited.

These very cheap and cost effective additions are the game chargers in combat effectiveness and giving soldiers the advantage.

We send soldiers on expensive training courses then give them AK47 without optic sights. It's like sendind someone on a car racing course after training with high powered super cars and then om his return we give him a Toyota Camry "Spider" and expect him to win the race.

My two penny view.

komekn:


I don't agree with you.

Unfortunately just like many of our university Professors not all, they get lazy and use the same notes for decades. Don't improve or update thier knowledge base and think research grants are used to enrich themselves.

In this regard l would say that PMB is the same hr is not conversant with contemporary strategy and weaponry. Consider the difference between DOS and Windows in IT. That's how far apart they are.

I start off from the position of "best value" and greatest impact for minimal cost. We simply don't have the money.

When you are surrounded by Technicals mounted with the obligatory Dhsk or similar 12.7mm HMG. You have several options.

The Sahel savanna is covered with small trees and thick shrubs. Very difficult to get direct hit so ATGM's will have greater efficacy from the air not the ground.

You might consider the RPG it's effective range is more like 300 metres there are limitations. After that highly inaccurate.

If 100 RPG's are targetted at you and they all landed nobody will be standing to tell the story. Only a few, if that will get through they are also hampered by the obstructions of shrubs and small trees in the Sahel savanna. But they create great terror and keep you at bay or pinned down.

Back to the Technicals that are not mounted with stabilisers and are great at spreading terror. But not particularly accurate beyond 400 metres. They can keep you pinned down, if you have don't have precision weaponry to respond with.

A trained operative with a 50 Cal. M82 Berretta or similar in 25 minutes. Will at even 1000 metres take out the engine blocks i.e. engine kaput of each of those Technicals. That essentially immobilises them and they can't move, if he is really good he can also disintegrate the gun itself.

If the troops around him who can easily take cover in the Sahel. Have optic sights on thier assault rifles, grenade launchers and night vision then they will have overriding advantage. Unfortunately they do not.

That means the very heavy and immobile MRAPS can take up frontal assault positions and advance. Unfortunately, they don't have a remote weapons station, with FLIR and target acquisition soft Ware. Combatants are using steel sights not even optical, so the precision is limited.

These very cheap and cost effective additions are the game chargers in combat effectiveness and giving soldiers the advantage.

We send soldiers on expensive training courses then give them AK47 without optic sights. It's like sendind someone on a car racing course after training with high powered super cars and then om his return we give him a Toyota Camry "Spider" and expect him to win the race.

My two penny view.

I agree with you on some points and disagree in others. Yes, PMB is not up to date with current weapons systems and strategies. I doubt he can differentiate a Kriss Vector from an MP5.

You are however forgetting many things. First, ATGM guidance differs. Those that are wire-guided might have difficulty tracking in the Sahel. The same does not however hold true for laser or radar-guided ATGMs.
Second, snipers are a very precious asset. There are very few of them and I don't think its possible for each firebase to have one. Even if snipers are provided in each firebase, the assaulting technicals are never still and as they advance will bounce, shake, rattle and roll. Getting a hit in this case under the heat of battle is unlikely. Even more, these technicals assault from all direction. How can a sniper take them all out in the few minutes before they close to knife fighting distance?

If it was up to me, I would equip each firebase with plenty of short range rocket launchers like the Vasilesk automatic mortar or better still the Type 63 short range rocket artillery, and no these are not expensive. My main objective would be to hold the enemy at bay and prevent them from approaching closer than 200 meters. To do that I would be launching barrages of mortars and rocket arty and calling air support as needed.

Frankly, I don't know why the NA does not think this to be necessary, but in my opinion each firebase must have enough firepower to hold off and defeat an enemy 10x its size. That is not all that difficult to do since the enemy in this case is out in the open and visible to drones, satellites and overflights.

As for rifle with sights, I of course agree with that. The NA should phase out all its AK 47 rifles and gift them to the police. Why should the SSS and Prison Services be carrying Tavors and ARX 160 rifles with optical scopes and other accessories when the NA is carrying obsolete rifles that are barely accurate past 200 meters. Better vests, night vision googles and more are needed too.

Now, to those we say we don't have the money for all these, I say they don't know what they are talking about. Each year we lose billions of dollars due to this insurgency. The loss comes from investors who run from what is seen as a conflict-ridden country, to loss of properties and tax revenue. Then there's IDP and these are a massive drain on our resources.
Our lack of success in this insurgency also leads to loss of respect in the comity of nations and fosters instability across much of the north and even in other countries. I am in support of borrowing to get the equipment we need to successfully prosecute the war, but the issue is that all the money previously borrowed and spent were misspent and mostly embezzled. Imagine buying third hand T-72s and selling it for the price of a T-90 and that is what precisely happened, and will continue to happen because money must be made and Dubai accounts must be bought.

You might not be lucky next time. Leave that state.

SamuelAnyawu:


I think we need Drones in such clearance operation.

Last Sunday on my trip from Maiduguri-Monguno by road we met a military convoy coming from the bushes with a drone flying. I noticed a soldier dropped and later re-assembled the drone in a metal briefcase.

But they almost gave me a heart attack shaaaaa. As our car was moving around Bilimari 30KM into Monguno, we saw the convoy of over 13 gun trucks coming from the bushes Omo i just said my final "Hail Mary prayers thinking its the Bastards . After the front hilux blocked our car i then heard HowFar? Why una dey fear? . It was then my heart became Calm.

May God Continually bless our gallant men in the frontline

As Chad Puts Boko Haram on the Run, Nigeria Falters, Loses Opportunity

The Chadian military forces, as predicted, have unleashed remarkable venom on the positions of the terrorist groups in the Lake Chad Basin. On Monday, March, 30 as President Idris Derby took to the war front in a major military campaign to flush out the terror groups comprising the remnants of the Jama’atu Ahlil Sunnah (JAS), also known as Boko Haram and the Islamic State West Africa Province, (ISWAP) from their assault and defense positions in the Chadian territories, it offered a window for other national allied forces like neighbouring Nigeria to ramp up a field campaign to finally put the groups in their wrong footings.

But as is now evident, this was probably a game-changing, turn-around moment in the decade long war against the terror groups for which Nigeria failed to copy. With assault missiles and mortars raining on the positions of the terror groups, the insurgents are beating a fast retreat southwards into the Nigerian territories.

Without synergy and seemingly zero military leverage for the Nigerian troops to hold unto against the fleeing terror groups, the insurgents are unsurprisingly getting a free pass and likely to soon open new positions and new operational bases with fortification camps to the booth.

On Monday, immediately after the Muslim Margreb prayers, local vigilantes and villagers around Magumeri and Gubio reported a mass exodus of ISWAP fighters from the Lake Chad, the fighters and their families crossed to the Alagarno axis, a place the insurgents named Timbuktu.

The location is where about 100 Nigerian soldiers were killed by ISWAP in a recent ambush. This was the same location where the Nigerian war theatre Commander, Maj. Gen. Olusegun Adeniyi, now redeployed, appeared in a video following fierce bombardment and heavy casualty suffered by his troops in a recent attack from ISWAP.

True to the threats issued earlier by the Chadian authorities, their military forces have ramped up targeted and sweeping air, ground and amphibious operations against the positions of the two dominant terror groups, Boko Haram and ISWAP simultaneously on all fronts. Tagged “Operation Boma Anger,” this campaign immediately suggests that Chad had created a parallel military-strategic vision outside of that promoted by the Multinational Joint Task Force, (MJTF) and now fully determined to take its fate in its hands.

Chad, the host country to the operational base of the MJTF located in N’Djamena, can point to supposedly legitimate grounds to hold some grouse against Nigeria’s leadership of the task force. A few months ago, Chad withdrew her troops from further participation in the task force led by Nigeria. Sources in diplomatic circles familiar with the spat hinted that the Chadian authorities who had complained about the weight of personnel overhead for its troops participating in the multinational military campaign were disappointed that having pledged to pick the bills on behalf of Chad, Nigeria had reneged and left the Chadians in the lurch for several months unable to pay.

The Chadian solo offensive launched on Sunday, March 29, 2020, involved large scale deployment of troops, helicopters, gun trucks, and armoured vehicles. Derby had earlier announced that the killing of 100 Chadian soldiers will never go unpunished. Gunboats of Chadian amphibious units have also joined the offensive. The neighbouring Niger Republic, also a member of the multinational military alliance, HumAngle was informed by military forces, has expressed a desire to support the Chadian offensive.
As Chad Puts Boko Haram on the Run, Nigeria Falters, Loses Opportunity



This is not the first time, perhaps that the Chadian authorities are flagging off such military offensive. In March 2015, Niger and Chad launched a “ground and air” offensive against Boko Haram positions in northeastern Nigeria.

While Chadian forces are forcing the terrorists to beat a retreat, Nigerian troops, conversely, seem to be on the receiving end. The multiple battalions of the Nigerian military are currently bogged down trying to fend off the forays of ISWAP in Alagarno forest for the past couple of days.

For Nigeria, what is clear is that funding this war will become steadily more Herculean with the oil price at the internal market down to $20 a barrel. Nigeria benchmarked its 2020 budget funding at $57 per barrel and operates on a near-total dependence on the oil revenue for its survival.

Local vigilantes aligned with Nigerian military troops in the battlefronts, HumAngle sources reveal, are already kicking against the seeming lack of ambition and tenacity of display in the field tactics of the military forces. The Vigilantes were believed to be of the opinion that its counterpart unit in Gubio would have responded differently to the opportunity created by the Chadian military push against the insurgents.

BY Ahmad Salkida Send an email March 31, 2020

https://humangle.ng/as-chad-puts-boko-haram-on-the-run-nigeria-falters-loses-opportunity/

---

Also,

Shekau To Boko Haram Fighters: Do Not Flee, Stand Firm And Fight The Chadians

Shekau has never been reported warning his troops against fleeing any previous battle, an indication that the Chadian forces may have put the insurgents under pressure.

Replying to
@HumAngle_
HumAngle listened to Shekau’s audio recording made public this morning, a tacit confirmation of our report (https://humangle.ng/as-chad-puts-boko-haram-on-the-run-nigeria-falters-loses-opportunity/
Tuesday, March, 31, that the insurgent groups were beating a retreat from their positions in the Lake Chad communities.

https://twitter.com/HumAngle_/status/1245314782128934912

Edward
@DonKlericuzio
·
31 Mar
Amidst the ongoing offensive by the Tchadien #Military, information available to us points to #BokoHaram fleeing some of its occupied islands of Lake Chad to BH main camps at Kumshe/Talala/Ajigin/Banki axis. Others staying put at L/C are moving to secluded artificial islands.
Edward
@DonKlericuzio
·
31 Mar
The jihadi group seem to realise the offensive will be short by available estimation not more than 21 days.
Insiders claim BH wali has encouraged evasion.
Edward
@DonKlericuzio
·
31 Mar
The Nigerians on blocking mode have been made aware of the movements.

The intel collection and dissemination between nigeria NIA, SSS, DMI & DIA is mess. Safe for efforts by the DIA going an extra mile.

And

Edward
@DonKlericuzio
·
30 Mar
Jihadists in West Africa and the Sahel are increasingly wielding sophisticated tactics in recent months as they have been emboldened in Mali, Niger and Nigeria & Burkina-faso, attacking army bases, ambushing convoys and dominating villages with surprising force.
Show this thread
Edward
@DonKlericuzio
·
30 Mar
Replying to
@DonKlericuzio
The Nigerian #military has unfortunately believed its own sooting words to the public that "The Jihadi groups have been defeated", which is delusional.
The Nigerian forces plagued by Military branch rivalry, loss of initiative & momentum, high attrition of experienced men & NCO's
Edward
@DonKlericuzio
·
30 Mar
poor intelligence especially Tactical intelligence and to some extent Strategic intelligence.
The Nigerians is stuck with payment of Men allowance through unit commanders which has raised highbrows & even friendly fire among her forces. Ongoing Internal sec Ops is another factor
Edward
@DonKlericuzio
·
30 Mar
Moscow is about going into lockdown. Residents can only leave home, with special permit, to get food&medicine, take out trash or walk their dog no tmore than 100m
Edward
@DonKlericuzio
·
29 Mar
#ISWAP islamic state Wilayat Gharb ifriqqiya scholar proselytising and an adjudicating court in session in Lake Chad stronghold.

GabrielYulaw:


I agree with you on some points and disagree in others. Yes, PMB is not up to date with current weapons systems and strategies. I doubt he can recognize a Kriss Vector or a Verba manpad.

You are however forgetting many things. First, ATGM guidance differs. Those that are wire-guided might have difficulty tracking in the Sahel. The same does not however hold true for laser or radar-guided ATGMs.
Second, snipers are a very precious asset. There are very few of them and I don't think its possible for each firebase to have one. Even if snipers are provided in each firebase, the assaulting technicals are never still and as they advance will bounce, shake, rattle and roll. Getting a hit in this case under the heat of battle is unlikely. Even more, these technicals assault from all direction. How can a sniper take them all out in the few minutes before they close to knife fighting distance?

If it was up to me, I would equip each firebase with plenty of short range rocket launchers like the Vasilesk automatic mortar or better still the Type 63 short range rocket artillery, and no these are not expensive. My main objective would be to hold the enemy at bay and prevent them from approaching closer than 200 meters. To do that I would be launching barrages of mortars and rocket arty and calling air support as needed.

Frankly, I don't know why the NA does not think this to be necessary, but in my opinion each firebase must have enough firepower to hold off and defeat an enemy 10x its size. That is not all that difficult to do since the enemy in this case is out in the open and visible to drones, satellites and overflights.

As for rifle with sights, I of course agree with that. The NA should phase out all its AK 47 rifles and gift them to the police. Why should the SSS and Prison Services be carrying Tavors and ARX 160 rifles with optical scopes and other accessories when the NA is carrying obsolete rifles that are barely accurate past 200 meters. Better vests, night vision googles and more are needed too.

Now, to those we say we don't have the money for all these, I say they don't know what they are talking about. Each year we lose billions of dollars due to this insurgency. The loss comes from investors who run from what is seen as a conflict-ridden country, to loss of properties and tax revenue. Then there's IDP and these are a massive drain on our resources.
Our lack of success in this insurgency also leads to loss of respect in the comity of nations and fosters instability across much of the north and even in other countries. I am in support of borrowing to get the equipment we need to successfully prosecute the war, but the issue is that all the money previously borrowed and spent were misspent and mostly embezzled. Imagine buying third hand T-72s and selling it for the price of a T-90 and that is what precisely happened, and will continue to happen because money must be made and Dubai accounts must be bought.

If you remember my over riding consideration is "Best Value" and that is tied into best use of resources for the greatest impact and delivery outcome.

It doesn't take that long for an already trained combatant to add the proficiency of being a sniper to his skill set.

All special forces will require as a pre- requisite, a good degree of the sniper skill set.

How much does one modern ATGM and how much are two 50 Cal. bullets. The terrain is very rough top speed of a technical in that terrain is 10mph mos likely a lot less.

At 750 metre any trained operator will have a 100% accuracy hit rate on the engine block of any gun truck (technical). The next hit will be on the reicever housing. That renders the DHsK or whatever derivative of HMG being used totally useless and destroys it.

That's a cost effect tactical approach that soldiers can easily adopt if given the right equipment in this case a M82 Berretta.

Back to cost, efficacy and therefore best value.

A 50 Cal rifle with a suppressor and thermal night optical sight, how much will a good one cost? Question of where you want to procure.

You could get a Serbian M93 from the region of $5k+ to over $10k for the Barratt M82A1. Add accessories can be bit more.

Then how much is just one modern ATGM whether Russian or German sourced you are talking in excess of $100k possibly double.

So considering our peculiar position of having money but not willing to spend ot in our soldiers.

What's the best option and best value ❓

My two penny opinion.

Finally, IMO you should have one for every platoon of soldiers, that's one for every 15- 20 soldiers.

komekn:


If you remember my over riding consideration is "Best Value" and that is tied into best use of resources for the greatest impact and delivery outcome.

It doesn't take that long for an already trained combatant to add the proficiency of being a sniper to his skill set.

All special forces will require as a pre- requisite, a good degree of the sniper skill set.

How much does one modern ATGM and how much are two 50 Cal. bullets. The terrain is very rough top speed of a technical in that terrain is 10mph mos likely a lot less.

At 750 metre any trained operator will have a 100% accuracy hit rate on the engine block of any gun truck (technical). The next hit will be on the reicever housing. That renders the DHsK or whatever derivative of HMG being used totally useless and destroys it.

That's a cost effect tactical approach that soldiers can easily adopt if given the right equipment in this case a M82 Berretta.

Back to cost, efficacy and therefore best value.

A 50 Cal rifle with a suppressor and thermal night optical sight, how much will a good one cost? Question of where you want to procure.

You could get a Serbian M93 from the region of $5k+ to over $10k for the Barratt M82A1. Add accessories can be bit more.

Then how much is just one modern ATGM whether Russian or German sourced you are talking in excess of $100k possibly double.

So considering our peculiar position of having money but not willing to spend ot in our soldiers.

What's the best option and best value ❓

My two penny opinion.

Finally, IMO you should have one for every platoon of soldiers, that's one for every 15- 20 soldiers.

We are talking about killing technicals here, not destroying an Abrams or a Leopard. In that case we don't really need to buy the most sophisticated and expensive ATGMs. Second Gen Soviet or Chinese SACLOS variants should be more than sufficient. Expensive they are not.

You advocate for snipers and that is good. But do remember that the terrorists use from 20 to 50 gun trucks to assault a base. Even if our snipers shoot like gods, I don't think they can eliminate all opposing gun trucks before coming in range of counter fire. And even if they eliminate all the trucks, what about the troops they carry? Are our snipers going to shoot and kill them one by one and are the terrorists going to stand there as they get shot?
I like your idea, but snipers alone won't cut it. It must be combined with other forms of overwhelming fire to freak out and terrorize the enemy.

By the way, my favorite sniper rifles are the Sako TRG, the Barrett M95 and M99. Would buy these if I live in American and can get the license

MaxxPro [MRAP] algeria

I follow the 3 military threads here religiously daily just to amuse myself, the bitter truth is that no body want this insurgency to end, not Nigeria, Chad, Niger, Cameron or Fran.ce what they Chadians are doing is IGG give it 3 weeks they will tactically withdraw of course the media won't be there.
I know a couple of us that where trained inhouse and abroad for COIN and other related course but are not deployed in the war zone the reason is best know to nobody, i feel ashame most times to wear my badges where i am presently deployed why i know i should be fighting.
Last last Nigeria go better, but before then enjoy all the little pleasure you can, because one can die before things get to normal.

Habane:
I follow the 3 military threads here religiously daily just to amuse myself, the bitter truth is that no body want this insurgency to end, not Nigeria, Chad, Niger, Cameron or Fran.ce what they Chadians are doing is IGG give it 3 weeks they will tactically withdraw of course the media won't be there.
I know a couple of us that where trained inhouse and abroad for COIN and other related course but are not deployed in the war zone the reason is best know to nobody, i feel ashame most times to wear my badges where i am presently deployed why i know i should be fighting.
Last last Nigeria go better, but before then enjoy all the little pleasure you can, because one can die before things get to normal.

Hi! I am curious. Why would Chad and Cameroon not want the war to end? What do they gain from it?
I follow another military thread too, but that is mostly full of Indian folks advertising stuff from DRDO.

GabrielYulaw:


We are talking about killing technicals here, not destroying an Abrams or a Leopard. In that case we don't really need to buy the most sophisticated and expensive ATGMs. Second Gen Soviet or Chinese SACLOS variants should be more than sufficient. Expensive they are not.

You advocate for snipers and that is good. But do remember that the terrorists use from 20 to 50 gun trucks to assault a base. Even if our snipers shoot like gods, I don't think they can eliminate all opposing gun trucks before coming in range of counter fire. And even if they eliminate all the trucks, what about the troops they carry? Are our snipers going to shoot and kill them one by one and are the terrorists going to stand there as they get shot?
I like your idea, but snipers alone won't cut it. It must be combined with other forms of overwhelming fire to freak out and terrorize the enemy.

By the way, my favorite sniper rifles are the Sako TRG, the Barrett M95 and M99. Would buy these if I live in American and can get the license

Back to my main overriding base line, "Best Value"

How much is a ATGM cheapest you will get is the Ukrainian RK-3 "Corsar and you are talking 6 figures $+. There are other cheaper derived ATGM but nothing less than $30k But thier ability to operate in hostile terrain as well as reliability very questionable.

I don't know what your background is but battlefield management is also about best and most effective use of resources available to you.

Most British army officers end up in senior management positions a skills transfer that's very relevant and applicable to modern business.

The cost of one ATGM fire and forget can get you 20 to 35 High powered precision 50 Cal. Sniper rifles.

Under no circumstances should Boko be able to gather 50 gun trucks to bear on a NA position. I have my doubts. 15 maybe 20 at max.

An SAS team operating behind enemy lines in Iraq just one fire team was able to disable dozens of ISIS Technicals attacking Yazidis. In the hands of trained operator a very effective deterrent.

GabrielYulaw:


Hi! I am curious. Why would Chad and Cameroon not want the war to end? What do they gain from it?
I follow another military thread too, but that is mostly full of Ind... folks advertising stuff from DRDO.

Full of Ind.... folks

U dey count ?

1 testicle =/= 2 testicle , 1 testicle is 1 testicle

Also the thread is what it is becz of all who took the time and made the effort to post there , not just becz of 1.

Advertising DRDO stuff ?

Small pikin fit play with the mother breast but e no fit play with the father's balls !

Technical thread contains one of the most exhaustive technical information relating to how weapon systems work , their tactics etc in nairaland. Or possibly even other blogs etc.

Laws of physics is same for any weapon system from any country. Unless like the usual crowd u r interested in the wrapper rather than the candy itself .

Also it is blasphemy when one doesn't realise the diverse and excellent content available in the thread

from pics of hot military gals to discussion on food recipes to jokes / memes to conspiracy theories of all kinds to science topics to archaeology to fuking almost anything including kamas****


So sir kindly make the effort to go through the entire thread and then pass a judgement so sweeping.

Me right now

nemesis8u:




Full of Ind.... folks

U dey count ?

1 testicle =/= 2 testicle , 1 testicle is 1 testicle

Also the thread is what it is becz of all who took the time and made the effort to post there , not just becz of 1.

Advertising DRDO stuff ?

Small pikin fit play with the mother breast but e no fit play with the father's balls !

Technical thread contains one of the most exhaustive technical information relating to how weapon systems work , their tactics etc in nairaland. Or possibly even other blogs etc.

Laws of physics is same for any weapon system from any country. Unless like the usual crowd u r interested in the wrapper rather than the candy itself .

Also it is blasphemy when one doesn't realise the diverse and excellent content available in the thread

from pics of hot military gals to discussion on food recipes to jokes / memes to conspiracy theories of all kinds to science topics to archaeology to fuking almost anything including kamas****


So sir kindly make the effort to go through the entire thread and then pass a judgement so sweeping.

Dude!

S400:
MaxxPro [MRAP] algeria

This looks scary man!

komekn:



It doesn't take that long for an already trained combatant to add the proficiency of being a sniper to his skill set.

All special forces will require as a pre- requisite, a good degree of the sniper skill set.

How much does one modern ATGM and how much are two 50 Cal. bullets. The terrain is very rough top speed of a technical in that terrain is 10mph mos likely a lot less.

At 750 metre any trained operator will have a 100% accuracy hit rate on the engine block of any gun truck (technical). The next hit will be on the reicever housing. That renders the DHsK or whatever derivative of HMG being used totally useless and destroys it.

Nowadays I rarely feel like contradicting anybody.

Still let's do it.

Bro It takes very long time to make a sniper . Many don't make it.

Already trained combatant will need to be untrained inorder to be retrained as a sniper.

Incase you did not know when a infantry soldier trained in conventional warfare is deployed in CT/CI role , he is untrained and retrained for CT/CI ops before deployment. Otherwise his chance of getting killed is very high.

All special forces will require a good degree of sniper skill ?

Sniper skills don't grow on trees . Either u have or u don't . And majority don't have it.

What ur proposing is akin to putting one leg each in two boats and in the still end up drowning even though one had 2 boats in their disposal.

SF troopers have designated specialised roles . There are no allrounders.

Making a dedicated sniper is hard enough , forget about all SFs.

At best one can hope for is few select troopers in DMR role.

Snipers USP is element of surprise and stealth.

BH mostly relies on hit and run ambush , in such a case how will a sniper deploy when he/his unit itself gets surprised due to ambush while being on patrol or even in a open defensive position.

In real life snipers cannot operate in optimal mode in a chaotic situation with his position at the risk of getting over run.

Just think the people well protected inside a T72 tank are hard pressed to get a shot off against swarming enemies . And you expecting a sniper to hold position against the same and shot down enemies successfully. Not saying it can't be done , but u will loose good many of the snipers in the bargain.

Also in real life a single high calibre bullet fired from a sniper rifle don't guarantee that it will penetrate the engine , sometimes bullet even armour piercing ones simply deflect. Untill the car stops u will need to keep firing.

Real life is different from Hollywood movies.

Simplest solution from a military perspective is a IFV/APC/MPV with cage armour .

Allows to engage and disengage at will , while providing fighting chance of survival to the troops during the same.

The dicon APC/MPV name I can't recall, slap a good cage armour on it and it will do the job to a good extent. Make it a standard issue along with Ara. And install a good RWS with 20mm autocannon.

For those advocating MCLOS/SACLOS type of ATGMs

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In a unconventional war the hostilities rely mainly on ambush and hit and run tactics . They present a target for a few seconds before they disappear. They have the luxury of choosing the terrain and vegetation to suit their needs and put the other side at a disadvantage.

Eg u cannot fire wire guided ATGMS or laser guided ATGMs through vegetation becz the guidance wire will get sagged in the bushes and laser beams will get disrupted.

Also MCLOS/SACLOS type of missiles u referred to are not fire and forgot ATGMs.

They require to be set up and need a clear LOS view and requires profiency on the part of the crew to obtain desired efficiency. % of success will vary considerably especially against small sized fast moving targets.

Better buy fire and forget missiles with assured high kill probability

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Is it only me who finds it suprising that the use of cage armour kind of went out of fashion , even after its success with 72 div. It's ain't widespread as it should have been.

In the earlier days , many vehicles in combat in the 72 div had cage armour .

Interesting considering RPG is the main firepower of BH against army vehicles.

GabrielYulaw:


Hi! I am curious. Why would Chad and Cameroon not want the war to end? What do they gain from it?
I follow another military thread too, but that is mostly full of Indian folks advertising stuff from DRDO.

With the excuse of BH Cameron has succeed in keeping it Anglophone region militarised, and Derby has been keeping a strong man pose in the world media while just a visit to Chad will clear your doubt, this is some example mate

Please can someone explain to me what laser lights is been used for in Riffles, doesn't it give away position of the shooter?...I have tried checking Google but am not getting something good there

joshingjosh:
Please can someone explain to me what laser lights is been used for in Riffles, doesn't it give away position of the shooter?...I have tried checking Google but am not getting something good there

It is used for aiming at targets at night.

In many cases the light is invisible to the ordinary eye, and can only be seen if you're wearing night vision goggles.

joshingjosh:
Please can someone explain to me what laser lights is been used for in Riffles, doesn't it give away position of the shooter?...I have tried checking Google but am not getting something good there

It's simple physics actually

Laser is a straight coherent beam of photons

When it strikes a surface it doesn't scatter , it literally bounces back along the same path

So the spot is visible only if are facing it , hence only the shooter sees it ( or somebody close to him )

And

Depending on the Freq / wavelength of the laser being used determines its invisibility ( the beam ). Also power of the laser.

Also presence of particulates in the air like dust smoke etc may effect it's visibility ( increase visibility of beam ) due to scattering of the photons.

Eg

if Freq is in the IR region the laser beam and spot will not be visible to naked eye unless a NVG or thermal camera is used.

If Freq is in optical ( visible ) region then depending on the position of the observer and presence of particulates in the air will determine the visibility of either the beam or the spot or both


What laser light ?

wrong question , correct question is what freq/ wavelength of laser is being used and rated at what power.

Google the said products of any manufacturer of such devices to know the same. It will vary by products.

nemesis8u:




Full of Ind.... folks

U dey count ?

1 testicle =/= 2 testicle , 1 testicle is 1 testicle

Also the thread is what it is becz of all who took the time and made the effort to post there , not just becz of 1.

Advertising DRDO stuff ?

Small pikin fit play with the mother breast but e no fit play with the father's balls !

Technical thread contains one of the most exhaustive technical information relating to how weapon systems work , their tactics etc in nairaland. Or possibly even other blogs etc.

Laws of physics is same for any weapon system from any country. Unless like the usual crowd u r interested in the wrapper rather than the candy itself .

Also it is blasphemy when one doesn't realise the diverse and excellent content available in the thread

from pics of hot military gals to discussion on food recipes to jokes / memes to conspiracy theories of all kinds to science topics to archaeology to fuking almost anything including kamas****


So sir kindly make the effort to go through the entire thread and then pass a judgement so sweeping.

No offense meant Bros. I applaud the dedication it took to fill your thread and the variety of weapon systems on show. My biggest issue with your thread however is that j hardly know if what I'm looking at is a present or future system, an ambitious concept or a massively updated current system. Frankly it's kind of confusing. More, weaponry there mainly have an Asian focus, whereas I'm interested in those with a global reach.

By the way, I apologise for thinking you were an Indian. I guess in my mind only an Indian would be able to get such extensive info on DRDO products.

nemesis8u:


Nowadays I rarely feel like contradicting anybody.

Still let's do it.

Bro It takes very long time to make a sniper . Many don't make it.

Already trained combatant will need to be untrained inorder to be retrained as a sniper.

Incase you did not know when a infantry soldier trained in conventional warfare is deployed in CT/CI role , he is untrained and retrained for CT/CI ops before deployment. Otherwise his chance of getting killed is very high.

All special forces will require a good degree of sniper skill ?

Sniper skills don't grow on trees . Either u have or u don't . And majority don't have it.

What ur proposing is akin to putting one leg each in two boats and in the still end up drowning even though one had 2 boats in their disposal.

SF troopers have designated specialised roles . There are no allrounders.

Making a dedicated sniper is hard enough , forget about all SFs.

At best one can hope for is few select troopers in DMR role.

Snipers USP is element of surprise and stealth.

BH mostly relies on hit and run ambush , in such a case how will a sniper deploy when he/his unit itself gets surprised due to ambush while being on patrol or even in a open defensive position.

In real life snipers cannot operate in optimal mode in a chaotic situation with his position at the risk of getting over run.

Just think the people well protected inside a T72 tank are hard pressed to get a shot off against swarming enemies . And you expecting a sniper to hold position against the same and shot down enemies successfully. Not saying it can't be done , but u will loose good many of the snipers in the bargain.

Also in real life a single high calibre bullet fired from a sniper rifle don't guarantee that it will penetrate the engine , sometimes bullet even armour piercing ones simply deflect. Untill the car stops u will need to keep firing.

Real life is different from Hollywood movies.

Simplest solution from a military perspective is a IFV/APC/MPV with cage armour .

Allows to engage and disengage at will , while providing fighting chance of survival to the troops during the same.

The dicon APC/MPV name I can't recall, slap a good cage armour on it and it will do the job to a good extent. Make it a standard issue along with Ara. And install a good RWS with 20mm autocannon.

You really don't know anybody's background here.

We are all anonymous in general.

Over 20 +years ago the first military armoured vehicle l was introduced too in the British army as a cadet was a Scorpion tank. Shocked to see we still have them in our NA inventory today.

My Father was an officer in the British army at the time.

Leaving a huge gap between then and now you can speculate but, l will not say anymore. You may thnk that I am an exuberant teenager that's spent too much time on PS4.

Although in most Western modern armies a lot of virtual training goes on similar platforms. Simulated to hone shooting skills. ATGM training is done predominantly virtually. So it's not exactly a great endictment.

A few summers ago met up with some British Marines who were reservists. But did private security consultancy for oil companies in Nigeria. They had a good insight into delivery gaps in both training and equipment in the Nigerian military.

You can also call me a liar, l know and have talked too quite a few senior officers in the NA.

So l am not speaking from an over active imagination or from watching Hollywood films.

nemesis8u:
For those advocating MCLOS/SACLOS type of ATGMs

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Better buy fire and forget missiles with assured high kill probability

Fire and forget is nice. But folks here are saying the Nigerian Army don't have the money to buy same. That was why I was advocating for second gen SACLOS ATGMs