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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ugo4u: 9:47pm On Mar 31, 2020 |
kabe1:What I mean is that at least 2nd hand Humvees should be the minimum for patrols/missions rather than Toyota Hilux that's assuming we don't have the money to go for the best which is the excuse they always give. Hilux have no business in the NE. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 10:01pm On Mar 31, 2020 |
ugo4u: Agreed with the pain of a bitter truth. How much do you think the NA procure one toyota gun truck for ? My estimation at least $45k could be a lot more. Then ask yourself how much does a used APC cost ? In management the word "best value" always comes up and best use of resources for the most effective delivery outcomes. Having that thought in mind and as a comparison with the notion of "best value" consider what we paid the Chinese for those re-modelled Mig 21's the FN-7and how reliable they have been and effective. Then compare that to the 20 year old + Alpha Jets. Then ask the question which has been "best value" most reliable and effective. The problem goes back to seeking the best deal for individuals as opposed to whats "best value" and fit for purpose for the NAF. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by ecomog1990: 12:17am On Apr 01, 2020 |
kabe1: Nig. Army needs fleets of fit for CT-COIN small size night combat capable tanks before ISWAP kill us finish with RPG barrage, 100 fired against one single NA unit ! Also true NA needs 30mm or 25mm gunner IFV fleets to kill insurgents' vehicle forces after tanks absorb frontal attack heavy fires from the enemy. APCs not needed if NA upgrades our MRAP and Up-Armoured Toyota Land Cruiser 4WD all to arm up 14.5mm guns, air-mobile QRF units, and long range-high endurance light patrols to dominate all high risk Nigerian territories N.E to N.W. and for terrains too soft for tanks or IFVs ride. ATGM is like Nigerian Army is cursed by witchcraft not to buy them for use against BHT and ISWAP anti-aircraft gun trucks killing us daily. Maj. Gen. Adeniyi's viral video is a big lesson for all Nigerians, he had NAF response CAS helicopter gunship engaging the enemy and yet the helicopter gunship could not eliminate dozens upon dozens of insurgent gun trucks in CQB and constant repeated waves of insurgents' attacks round the clock, that's where IFV fleet on ground is best solution to win on ground by staying 24/7 on ground carrying our soldiers into hot battle under armour protection and with 30mm or 25mm rapido fire cannons in support against these newly capable enemies very mobile on ground. This war is again starting afresh, NA redeployed dozens of top brass officers to avoid sack of service chiefs demanded by frustrated citizens and angry law makers. True some big elites profiting money from this war are prolonging it, but true also, its because our president is not using his full powers brilliantly, to choose vital or key equipment and lead their procurement , meet with, sign contract, hand give payment cheques to fellow Presidents Putin and Jinping, then demand live videos of deliveries at sea port, air port, Borno frontline, as proof same major new equipment all arrived war zones. He appoints key commanders, fire any for average performance after setting high standard of performance for all frontline commanders. Seeing President Deby of Chad carry 9mm side arm wear camo enter battle leading his army against ISWAP after 92 Chadian officers and men were KIA in few hours, I think Nigerian Army Chief of Staff should copy that and leave admin ceremonial works to lead his troops into battle, I think Lt. Gen. T.Y. Buratai should take over and lead that very same regiment Maj. Gen. Adeniyi led (before HQ redeployed him) and was hammered by insurgents with over 100 mortar shells, 100 RPG rockets, flanked by 15 x 2 gun trucks with AAA/HMG, and so let him be our army leader practically in battle, national duty calls, please show loyalty sir. For P. M. Buhari now too old for the field, let him handle all major new army weapons procurement directly by himself, stop this buying of ineffective equipment prolonging this war, if he lacks modern procurement ideas, someone here mentioned that guy they call Beegeagle, I Googled his details, let President Buhari hire him as new procurement technical adviser, then I think we can hope to end this war in 24 months. My 2 Kobo Suggestions. 20 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 9:03am On Apr 01, 2020 |
Happy New month Everyone We thank God for seeing the month of April It's quite sad what we're experience in Nigeria Mostly The North East Tribute to those who gave their today for our tommorow Those who stay awake so we may sleep They are the fathers/ Mothers to some childern They are siblings,uncles and aunts to some out there.. Despite the fact that they lack essential tools of war they still pull out some daring feat.. Their work won't be in vain. We won't end up signing peace deal with these demons.. They most suffer. As for us all who knows what's happening in the north east enough criticism and start voicing out hope the men and women of War.. We can still win this.. We're still strong We are Africa's Gaint In Mandela's words: Africa will not be respected until Nigeria gets it's respect.. But we have to make it happen guys.. In our own little way.. God bless Nigeria God bless the Armed forces of Nigeria.. 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 11:27am On Apr 01, 2020 |
Toju200: That statement above is considered here as a voice of an ISWAP Sympathizer. 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 11:31am On Apr 01, 2020 |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 11:43am On Apr 01, 2020 |
The troops of Operation Lafiya Dole (OPLD) has destroyed another logistics base of the Boko Haram Terrorists at Ngoske in the fringes of Sambisa forest in Borno State, the Defence Headquarters says. The Acting Director, Defence Media Operations, Benard Onyeuko, a brigadier general, disclosed this in a statement on Tuesday in Abuja. Mr Onyeuko said the feat was achieved in an air raid conducted by the Air Component of OPLD in a subsidiary operation, Decisive Edge on Monday. He explained that the air strikes were conducted following credible intelligence reports indicating the existence of some structures within the settlements used by the terrorists to store their arms and other logistics items. “Accordingly, following confirmatory Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) missions, which showed significant activity in the settlement, Nigerian military fighter jets were dispatched to attack the location. “The jets’ bombs and rockets recorded accurate hits on target leading to the destruction of the base as well as the neutralization of some Boko Haram fighters. “The Armed Forces of Nigeria, in furtherance of the objective of restoring peace and security in the Northeast, will continue to sustain the offensive against the enemies of our dear Nation,” he said. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 11:57am On Apr 01, 2020 |
ecomog1990: I don't agree with you. Unfortunately just like many of our university Professors not all, they get lazy and use the same notes for decades. Don't improve or update thier knowledge base and think research grants are used to enrich themselves. In this regard l would say that PMB is the same hr is not conversant with contemporary strategy and weaponry. Consider the difference between DOS and Windows in IT. That's how far apart they are. I start off from the position of "best value" and greatest impact for minimal cost. We simply don't have the money. When you are surrounded by Technicals mounted with the obligatory Dhsk or similar 12.7mm HMG. You have several options. The Sahel savanna is covered with small trees and thick shrubs. Very difficult to get direct hit so ATGM's will have greater efficacy from the air not the ground. You might consider the RPG it's effective range is more like 300 metres there are limitations. After that highly inaccurate. If 100 RPG's are targetted at you and they all landed nobody will be standing to tell the story. Only a few, if that will get through they are also hampered by the obstructions of shrubs and small trees in the Sahel savanna. But they create great terror and keep you at bay or pinned down. Back to the Technicals that are not mounted with stabilisers and are great at spreading terror. But not particularly accurate beyond 400 metres. They can keep you pinned down, if you have don't have precision weaponry to respond with. A trained operative with a 50 Cal. M82 Berretta or similar in 25 minutes. Will at even 1000 metres take out the engine blocks i.e. engine kaput of each of those Technicals. That essentially immobilises them and they can't move, if he is really good he can also disintegrate the gun itself. If the troops around him who can easily take cover in the Sahel. Have optic sights on thier assault rifles, grenade launchers and night vision then they will have overriding advantage. Unfortunately they do not. That means the very heavy and immobile MRAPS can take up frontal assault positions and advance. Unfortunately, they don't have a remote weapons station, with FLIR and target acquisition soft Ware. Combatants are using steel sights not even optical, so the precision is limited. These very cheap and cost effective additions are the game chargers in combat effectiveness and giving soldiers the advantage. We send soldiers on expensive training courses then give them AK47 without optic sights. It's like sendind someone on a car racing course after training with high powered super cars and then om his return we give him a Toyota Camry "Spider" and expect him to win the race. My two penny view. 5 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 12:38pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
komekn: I agree with you on some points and disagree in others. Yes, PMB is not up to date with current weapons systems and strategies. I doubt he can differentiate a Kriss Vector from an MP5. You are however forgetting many things. First, ATGM guidance differs. Those that are wire-guided might have difficulty tracking in the Sahel. The same does not however hold true for laser or radar-guided ATGMs. Second, snipers are a very precious asset. There are very few of them and I don't think its possible for each firebase to have one. Even if snipers are provided in each firebase, the assaulting technicals are never still and as they advance will bounce, shake, rattle and roll. Getting a hit in this case under the heat of battle is unlikely. Even more, these technicals assault from all direction. How can a sniper take them all out in the few minutes before they close to knife fighting distance? If it was up to me, I would equip each firebase with plenty of short range rocket launchers like the Vasilesk automatic mortar or better still the Type 63 short range rocket artillery, and no these are not expensive. My main objective would be to hold the enemy at bay and prevent them from approaching closer than 200 meters. To do that I would be launching barrages of mortars and rocket arty and calling air support as needed. Frankly, I don't know why the NA does not think this to be necessary, but in my opinion each firebase must have enough firepower to hold off and defeat an enemy 10x its size. That is not all that difficult to do since the enemy in this case is out in the open and visible to drones, satellites and overflights. As for rifle with sights, I of course agree with that. The NA should phase out all its AK 47 rifles and gift them to the police. Why should the SSS and Prison Services be carrying Tavors and ARX 160 rifles with optical scopes and other accessories when the NA is carrying obsolete rifles that are barely accurate past 200 meters. Better vests, night vision googles and more are needed too. Now, to those we say we don't have the money for all these, I say they don't know what they are talking about. Each year we lose billions of dollars due to this insurgency. The loss comes from investors who run from what is seen as a conflict-ridden country, to loss of properties and tax revenue. Then there's IDP and these are a massive drain on our resources. Our lack of success in this insurgency also leads to loss of respect in the comity of nations and fosters instability across much of the north and even in other countries. I am in support of borrowing to get the equipment we need to successfully prosecute the war, but the issue is that all the money previously borrowed and spent were misspent and mostly embezzled. Imagine buying third hand T-72s and selling it for the price of a T-90 and that is what precisely happened, and will continue to happen because money must be made and Dubai accounts must be bought. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 2:14pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
You might not be lucky next time. Leave that state. SamuelAnyawu: 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Litmus: 6:21pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
As Chad Puts Boko Haram on the Run, Nigeria Falters, Loses Opportunity
BY Ahmad Salkida Send an email March 31, 2020 https://humangle.ng/as-chad-puts-boko-haram-on-the-run-nigeria-falters-loses-opportunity/ Also, Shekau To Boko Haram Fighters: Do Not Flee, Stand Firm And Fight The Chadians Replying to https://twitter.com/HumAngle_/status/1245314782128934912 |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Litmus: 6:36pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 6:51pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
GabrielYulaw: If you remember my over riding consideration is "Best Value" and that is tied into best use of resources for the greatest impact and delivery outcome. It doesn't take that long for an already trained combatant to add the proficiency of being a sniper to his skill set. All special forces will require as a pre- requisite, a good degree of the sniper skill set. How much does one modern ATGM and how much are two 50 Cal. bullets. The terrain is very rough top speed of a technical in that terrain is 10mph mos likely a lot less. At 750 metre any trained operator will have a 100% accuracy hit rate on the engine block of any gun truck (technical). The next hit will be on the reicever housing. That renders the DHsK or whatever derivative of HMG being used totally useless and destroys it. That's a cost effect tactical approach that soldiers can easily adopt if given the right equipment in this case a M82 Berretta. Back to cost, efficacy and therefore best value. A 50 Cal rifle with a suppressor and thermal night optical sight, how much will a good one cost? Question of where you want to procure. You could get a Serbian M93 from the region of $5k+ to over $10k for the Barratt M82A1. Add accessories can be bit more. Then how much is just one modern ATGM whether Russian or German sourced you are talking in excess of $100k possibly double. So considering our peculiar position of having money but not willing to spend ot in our soldiers. What's the best option and best value ❓ My two penny opinion. Finally, IMO you should have one for every platoon of soldiers, that's one for every 15- 20 soldiers. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 7:19pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
komekn: We are talking about killing technicals here, not destroying an Abrams or a Leopard. In that case we don't really need to buy the most sophisticated and expensive ATGMs. Second Gen Soviet or Chinese SACLOS variants should be more than sufficient. Expensive they are not. You advocate for snipers and that is good. But do remember that the terrorists use from 20 to 50 gun trucks to assault a base. Even if our snipers shoot like gods, I don't think they can eliminate all opposing gun trucks before coming in range of counter fire. And even if they eliminate all the trucks, what about the troops they carry? Are our snipers going to shoot and kill them one by one and are the terrorists going to stand there as they get shot? I like your idea, but snipers alone won't cut it. It must be combined with other forms of overwhelming fire to freak out and terrorize the enemy. By the way, my favorite sniper rifles are the Sako TRG, the Barrett M95 and M99. Would buy these if I live in American and can get the license ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by S400: 7:35pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Habane(m): 8:21pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
I follow the 3 military threads here religiously daily just to amuse myself, the bitter truth is that no body want this insurgency to end, not Nigeria, Chad, Niger, Cameron or Fran.ce what they Chadians are doing is IGG give it 3 weeks they will tactically withdraw of course the media won't be there. I know a couple of us that where trained inhouse and abroad for COIN and other related course but are not deployed in the war zone the reason is best know to nobody, i feel ashame most times to wear my badges where i am presently deployed why i know i should be fighting. Last last Nigeria go better, but before then enjoy all the little pleasure you can, because one can die before things get to normal. 6 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 9:42pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
Habane: Hi! I am curious. Why would Chad and Cameroon not want the war to end? What do they gain from it? I follow another military thread too, but that is mostly full of Indian folks advertising stuff from DRDO. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 10:47pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
GabrielYulaw: Back to my main overriding base line, "Best Value" How much is a ATGM cheapest you will get is the Ukrainian RK-3 "Corsar and you are talking 6 figures $+. There are other cheaper derived ATGM but nothing less than $30k But thier ability to operate in hostile terrain as well as reliability very questionable. I don't know what your background is but battlefield management is also about best and most effective use of resources available to you. Most British army officers end up in senior management positions a skills transfer that's very relevant and applicable to modern business. The cost of one ATGM fire and forget can get you 20 to 35 High powered precision 50 Cal. Sniper rifles. Under no circumstances should Boko be able to gather 50 gun trucks to bear on a NA position. I have my doubts. 15 maybe 20 at max. An SAS team operating behind enemy lines in Iraq just one fire team was able to disable dozens of ISIS Technicals attacking Yazidis. In the hands of trained operator a very effective deterrent. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:50pm On Apr 01, 2020 |
GabrielYulaw: ![]() ![]() ![]() Full of Ind.... folks U dey count ? 1 testicle =/= 2 testicle , 1 testicle is 1 testicle Also the thread is what it is becz of all who took the time and made the effort to post there , not just becz of 1. Advertising DRDO stuff ? Small pikin fit play with the mother breast but e no fit play with the father's balls ! Technical thread contains one of the most exhaustive technical information relating to how weapon systems work , their tactics etc in nairaland. Or possibly even other blogs etc. Laws of physics is same for any weapon system from any country. Unless like the usual crowd u r interested in the wrapper rather than the candy itself . Also it is blasphemy when one doesn't realise the diverse and excellent content available in the thread ![]() from pics of hot military gals to discussion on food recipes to jokes / memes to conspiracy theories of all kinds to science topics to archaeology to fuking almost anything including kamas**** ![]() So sir kindly make the effort to go through the entire thread and then pass a judgement so sweeping. 4 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 12:02am On Apr 02, 2020 |
Me right now ![]() ![]() ![]() 3 Likes
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kemicalreact: 12:10am On Apr 02, 2020 |
nemesis8u:Dude! ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Carmit(m): 12:39am On Apr 02, 2020 |
S400:This looks scary man! 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 2:17am On Apr 02, 2020 |
komekn: Nowadays I rarely feel like contradicting anybody. Still let's do it. Bro It takes very long time to make a sniper . Many don't make it. Already trained combatant will need to be untrained inorder to be retrained as a sniper. Incase you did not know when a infantry soldier trained in conventional warfare is deployed in CT/CI role , he is untrained and retrained for CT/CI ops before deployment. Otherwise his chance of getting killed is very high. All special forces will require a good degree of sniper skill ? Sniper skills don't grow on trees . Either u have or u don't . And majority don't have it. What ur proposing is akin to putting one leg each in two boats and in the still end up drowning even though one had 2 boats in their disposal. SF troopers have designated specialised roles . There are no allrounders. Making a dedicated sniper is hard enough , forget about all SFs. At best one can hope for is few select troopers in DMR role. Snipers USP is element of surprise and stealth. BH mostly relies on hit and run ambush , in such a case how will a sniper deploy when he/his unit itself gets surprised due to ambush while being on patrol or even in a open defensive position. In real life snipers cannot operate in optimal mode in a chaotic situation with his position at the risk of getting over run. Just think the people well protected inside a T72 tank are hard pressed to get a shot off against swarming enemies . And you expecting a sniper to hold position against the same and shot down enemies successfully. Not saying it can't be done , but u will loose good many of the snipers in the bargain. Also in real life a single high calibre bullet fired from a sniper rifle don't guarantee that it will penetrate the engine , sometimes bullet even armour piercing ones simply deflect. Untill the car stops u will need to keep firing. Real life is different from Hollywood movies. Simplest solution from a military perspective is a IFV/APC/MPV with cage armour . Allows to engage and disengage at will , while providing fighting chance of survival to the troops during the same. The dicon APC/MPV name I can't recall, slap a good cage armour on it and it will do the job to a good extent. Make it a standard issue along with Ara. And install a good RWS with 20mm autocannon. 5 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 2:44am On Apr 02, 2020 |
For those advocating MCLOS/SACLOS type of ATGMs Reposting
Better buy fire and forget missiles with assured high kill probability 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 3:08am On Apr 02, 2020 |
Last post Is it only me who finds it suprising that the use of cage armour kind of went out of fashion , even after its success with 72 div. It's ain't widespread as it should have been. In the earlier days , many vehicles in combat in the 72 div had cage armour . Interesting considering RPG is the main firepower of BH against army vehicles. 7 Likes
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Habane(m): 7:04am On Apr 02, 2020 |
GabrielYulaw:With the excuse of BH Cameron has succeed in keeping it Anglophone region militarised, and Derby has been keeping a strong man pose in the world media while just a visit to Chad will clear your doubt, this is some example mate 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by joshingjosh(m): 8:44am On Apr 02, 2020 |
Please can someone explain to me what laser lights is been used for in Riffles, doesn't it give away position of the shooter?...I have tried checking Google but am not getting something good there |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 8:54am On Apr 02, 2020 |
joshingjosh: It is used for aiming at targets at night. In many cases the light is invisible to the ordinary eye, and can only be seen if you're wearing night vision goggles. 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 9:22am On Apr 02, 2020 |
joshingjosh: It's simple physics actually Laser is a straight coherent beam of photons When it strikes a surface it doesn't scatter , it literally bounces back along the same path So the spot is visible only if are facing it , hence only the shooter sees it ( or somebody close to him ) And Depending on the Freq / wavelength of the laser being used determines its invisibility ( the beam ). Also power of the laser. Also presence of particulates in the air like dust smoke etc may effect it's visibility ( increase visibility of beam ) due to scattering of the photons. Eg if Freq is in the IR region the laser beam and spot will not be visible to naked eye unless a NVG or thermal camera is used. If Freq is in optical ( visible ) region then depending on the position of the observer and presence of particulates in the air will determine the visibility of either the beam or the spot or both What laser light ? wrong question , correct question is what freq/ wavelength of laser is being used and rated at what power. Google the said products of any manufacturer of such devices to know the same. It will vary by products. 4 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 10:55am On Apr 02, 2020 |
nemesis8u: No offense meant Bros. I applaud the dedication it took to fill your thread and the variety of weapon systems on show. My biggest issue with your thread however is that j hardly know if what I'm looking at is a present or future system, an ambitious concept or a massively updated current system. Frankly it's kind of confusing. More, weaponry there mainly have an Asian focus, whereas I'm interested in those with a global reach. By the way, I apologise for thinking you were an Indian. I guess in my mind only an Indian would be able to get such extensive info on DRDO products. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 11:01am On Apr 02, 2020 |
nemesis8u: You really don't know anybody's background here. We are all anonymous in general. Over 20 +years ago the first military armoured vehicle l was introduced too in the British army as a cadet was a Scorpion tank. Shocked to see we still have them in our NA inventory today. My Father was an officer in the British army at the time. Leaving a huge gap between then and now you can speculate but, l will not say anymore. You may thnk that I am an exuberant teenager that's spent too much time on PS4. Although in most Western modern armies a lot of virtual training goes on similar platforms. Simulated to hone shooting skills. ATGM training is done predominantly virtually. So it's not exactly a great endictment. A few summers ago met up with some British Marines who were reservists. But did private security consultancy for oil companies in Nigeria. They had a good insight into delivery gaps in both training and equipment in the Nigerian military. You can also call me a liar, l know and have talked too quite a few senior officers in the NA. So l am not speaking from an over active imagination or from watching Hollywood films. 4 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 11:04am On Apr 02, 2020 |
nemesis8u: Fire and forget is nice. But folks here are saying the Nigerian Army don't have the money to buy same. That was why I was advocating for second gen SACLOS ATGMs |
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