nemesis8u:


Nowadays I rarely feel like contradicting anybody.

Still let's do it.

Bro It takes very long time to make a sniper . Many don't make it.

Already trained combatant will need to be untrained inorder to be retrained as a sniper.

Incase you did not know when a infantry soldier trained in conventional warfare is deployed in CT/CI role , he is untrained and retrained for CT/CI ops before deployment. Otherwise his chance of getting killed is very high.

All special forces will require a good degree of sniper skill ?

Sniper skills don't grow on trees . Either u have or u don't . And majority don't have it.

What ur proposing is akin to putting one leg each in two boats and in the still end up drowning even though one had 2 boats in their disposal.

SF troopers have designated specialised roles . There are no allrounders.

Making a dedicated sniper is hard enough , forget about all SFs.

At best one can hope for is few select troopers in DMR role.

Snipers USP is element of surprise and stealth.

BH mostly relies on hit and run ambush , in such a case how will a sniper deploy when he/his unit itself gets surprised due to ambush while being on patrol or even in a open defensive position.

In real life snipers cannot operate in optimal mode in a chaotic situation with his position at the risk of getting over run.

Just think the people well protected inside a T72 tank are hard pressed to get a shot off against swarming enemies . And you expecting a sniper to hold position against the same and shot down enemies successfully. Not saying it can't be done , but u will loose good many of the snipers in the bargain.

Also in real life a single high calibre bullet fired from a sniper rifle don't guarantee that it will penetrate the engine , sometimes bullet even armour piercing ones simply deflect. Untill the car stops u will need to keep firing.

Real life is different from Hollywood movies.

Simplest solution from a military perspective is a IFV/APC/MPV with cage armour .

Allows to engage and disengage at will , while providing fighting chance of survival to the troops during the same.

The dicon APC/MPV name I can't recall, slap a good cage armour on it and it will do the job to a good extent. Make it a standard issue along with Ara. And install a good RWS with 20mm autocannon.

2nd subject perspective response to your post.

Keep matters in context.

Which is " Best Value" and most effective use of resources for the best delivery outcome.

The context was the situation the outstanding general Adeniyi found himself. And the general terrain of the Sahel savanna and the limitations of the heavy MRAP's without run flat tyres, remote weapon stations and soft skinned pick up trucks. Essentially no precision weaponry.

It's obvious you have not shot a rifle with an optic sight, hence your deduction. Furthermore, you baseline data emanates it seems from the NA not very comprehensive.

Below a near official video from US army infantry that debunks your all your claimed knowledge about sniper training and capability.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUvvXWGNnDg

A 50 Cal. Sniper rifle will not just penetrate the engine block but mangle it completely up in one shot.

Boko gun trucks in Sambisa Sahel savanna are not on tarmac but rough terrain and can't go more than 10 mph, that's slow and with continuous stops to climb over gullys and undulations in the terrain.

MRAP's too big too heavy for the terrain and without any precision weaponry no remote weapons stations. Are not fit for purpose and a liability, particularly as the lead vehicles in a frontal assault.

Precision is everything or you just expend ammo with very little impact.

The NA doesn't have a definitive IFV in its armoury that's unacceptable.

nemesis8u:


It's simple physics actually

Laser is a straight coherent beam of photons

When it strikes a surface it doesn't scatter , it literally bounces back along the same path

So the spot is visible only if are facing it , hence only the shooter sees it ( or somebody close to him )

And

Depending on the Freq / wavelength of the laser being used determines its invisibility ( the beam ). Also power of the laser.

Also presence of particulates in the air like dust smoke etc may effect it's visibility ( increase visibility of beam ) due to scattering of the photons.

Eg

if Freq is in the IR region the laser beam and spot will not be visible to naked eye unless a NVG or thermal camera is used.

If Freq is in optical ( visible ) region then depending on the position of the observer and presence of particulates in the air will determine the visibility of either the beam or the spot or both


What laser light ?

wrong question , correct question is what freq/ wavelength of laser is being used and rated at what power.

Google the said products of any manufacturer of such devices to know the same. It will vary by products.

Thanks

@Kokemn
Brilliant input, you taking your time to buttress is wonderful.

@nemesis
Pls never feel shy or disinterested to note your observations or pen down your thoughts.

It’s concerning that adults are unable to share ideas peacefully or have varying opinions without rancor.
I encourage everyone to always air their views........you never know who is reading or the impact your thoughts can make.
Gracias!

komekn:


You really don't know anybody's background here.

We are all anonymous in general.

Over 20 +years agobl the first vehicle military vehicle l was introduced too in the British army as a cadet was a Scorpion tank. Shocked to see we still have them in our NA inventory today.

My Father was an officer in the British army at the time.

Leaving a huge gap between then and now you can speculate but, l will not say anymore. You may thnk that I am an exuberant teenager that's spent too much time on PS4.

Although in most Western modern armies a lot of virtual training goes on similar platforms. Simulated to hone shooting skills. ATGM training is done predominantly virtually. So it's not exactly a great endictment.

A few summers ago met up with some British Marines who were reservists. But did private security consultancy for oil companies in Nigeria. They had a good insight into delivery gaps in both training and equipment in the Nigerian military.

You can also call me a liar, l know and have talked too quite a few senior officers in the NA.

So l an not speaking from an over active imagination or from watching Hollywood films.

Your father is no more a Lecturer too?

Haha, oh man.

Odunayaw:
Your father is no more a Lecturer too?

My Dad taught microbiology at a university in the UK before coming to Nigeria.

At the same time he was an officer in the British army, specifically biological and chemical warfare programme.

Although l know all the regiments he served at, l had no knowledge of the details or depth of the programme, defensive or offensive.

Just to satisfy your curiosity and so you don't make wrong assumptions.

It's not as popular now but in my time it was very common for university students to enrol in reserve officer training. For one it gets you extra money in your pocket as well as very exciting times.

However, the last 20 years has seen the trend not so attractive. Because you know you are going to get deployed, and well that might not be so funny.

komekn:


My Dad taught microbiology at a university in the UK before coming to Nigeria.

At the same time he was an officer in the British army, specifically biological and chemical warfare programme.

Although l know all the regiments he served at, l had no knowledge of the details or depth of the programme, defensive or offensive.

Just to satisfy your curiosity and so you don't make wrong assumptions.

It's not as popular now but in my time it was very common for university students to enrol in reserve officer training. For one it gets you extra money in your pocket as well as very exciting times.

However, the last 20 years has seen the trend not so attractive. Because you know you are going to get deployed, and well that might not be so funny.

Right. I was talking about his teaching in Nigeria

Toju200:
I sense betrayal....... What a huge loss...
They new they were coming
Leaked info
There's an insider..


At least 70 Nigerian soldiers killed in jihadist ambush: military sources
By AFP
24 March 2020 | 10:06 am




At least 70 Nigerian soldiers were killed in an ambush on their convoy by jihadist fighters in the restive northeast, military and security sources said on Tuesday.
Insurgents fired rocket-propelled grenades at a lorry carrying troops as it travelled near Gorgi village in Borno state on Monday, two military officers told AFP without giving their names.
“It was a huge loss, at least 70 soldiers have perished in the ambush,” one of the officers said.
“The terrorists specifically targeted a truck loaded with soldiers with RPGs and incinerated the vehicle, killing all on board,” a second official said.
“So far 70 bodies have been recovered but the toll is certainly more than that as the rescue operation is still underway.”
Several soldiers were injured and some others were taken captive by the jihadists, the two officers said.
A spokesman for the Nigerian army told AFP that he was unable to comment on the reported attack.
The convoy had left regional capital Maiduguri on its way to launch an offensive on a camp belonging to jihadists affiliated to the Islamic State group in the area, a member of a government-backed militia fighting the insurgents told AFP.
The Islamic State West Africa Province faction split from Boko Haram insurgents in 2016 and has focused on attacking troops, raiding bases and laying ambush on military convoys.
The group has been accused of increasing attacks on civilians and taking hostages at bogus checkpoints on main roads in the region.
The decade-long conflict has killed 36,000 people and displaced 1.8 million in the northeast of Nigeria.
Fighting has also spilt over into neighbouring countries, prompting the formation of a regional military coalition to fight the insurgents.

I don't know of you have spent time in the bush. These are areas that are sparsely populated and quite. And as a result a little noise travels a long way.

The modus operandi of the NA is to go in large convoys, quite often on well trodden pathways and or roads.

We will not presume that Boko are blind as bats and even if they are they can probably hear you coming a long way off.

Imagine the noise a convoy of Big MRAP's and Huge big yellow dumpster trucks make struggling to get through the rough and undulating terrain. You might as well announce your arrival with a trumpet. They boko will definitely have look outs and yes Boko have basic drones.

Then how attractive is the slow moving immobile big YELLOW HIGH UP dumpster truck to Boko trained and untrained fighters with an RPG7, even with steel sights. What is going to be the easiest target �❓ THE BIG YELLOW DUMPSTER

If you don't have spatial situational awareness to comb the area around you in a slow moving convoy. What's the RESULT you drive right into the kill zone.

You don't need any insider information, you don't need fifth columnists and traitors within allegedly to set this up. You have essentially set yourself up.

Look at how the French operate in Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso. It will explain why they have such few casualties over the past 7 years.

My two penny opinion.

Odunayaw:
Right. I was talking about his teaching in Nigeria

He taught at university in the East of Nigeria and l stayed thier with him during the holidays when I came back from boarding school in Warri.

That's why l can speak Igbo.

Topic for discussion and question.

Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft.

Cost of procurement for 12 aircraft $600 million.

It's been presented by quite a few as the game charger we need in the SE to completely turn the tide in this seemingly never ending war.

Is this " best value " and best use of our very limited resources for the greatest impact and best outcome delivery.

If you do agree why ❓ and if you don't what would be your alternative procurement model and or approach.

komekn:
Topic for discussion and question.

Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft.

Cost of procurement for 12 aircraft $600 million.

It's been presented by quite a few as the game charger we need in the SE to completely turn the tide in this seemingly never ending war.

Is this " best value " and best use of our very limited resources for the greatest impact and best outcome delivery.

If you do agree why ❓ and if you don't what would be your alternative procurement model and or approach.

This is a false statement, Nigeria did not buy 12 Super Tucanos for $600 million.

Even when we are angry let us always speak the truth.

kabe1:


This is a false statement, Nigeria did not buy 12 Super Tucanos for $600 million.

Even when we are angry let us always speak the truth.

It was $329 mil to be precise, definitely not $600 mil

jln115:
It was $329 mil to be precise, definitely not $600 mil

......and was supposed to be bought with repatriated funds so no strong bargaining tool, platform wise or even cost-wise I think.....

NAF SOF

komekn:
Topic for discussion and question.

Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft.

Cost of procurement for 12 aircraft $600 million.

It's been presented by quite a few as the game charger we need in the SE to completely turn the tide in this seemingly never ending war.

Is this " best value " and best use of our very limited resources for the greatest impact and best outcome delivery.

If you do agree why ❓ and if you don't what would be your alternative procurement model and or approach.

Guys please no abuses, lets be constructive.

[b]The A29 is an excellent turbo prop planes armed with one 20mm cannon below the fuselage able to shoot 650 rounds per minute, one 12.7mm machine gun (FN Herstal) under each wing and up to four 7.62mm Dillion Aero M134 Miniguns able to shoot up to 3,000 rounds per minute.

Super Tucanos are also equipped with 70mm rockets, air-to-air missiles such as the AIM-9L Sidewinder, air-to-ground weapons such as the AGM-65 Maverick and precision-guided bombs. It can also use a laser rangefinder and laser-guided weapons.

The Super Tucano is a highly maneuverable light attack aircraft able to operate in high temperatures and rugged terrain. It is 11.38 meters long and has a wingspan of 11.14 meters; its maximum takeoff weight is 5,400 kilograms. The aircraft has a combat radius of 300 nautical miles, can reach speeds up to 367 mph and hits ranges up to 720 nautical miles. Its range of 300 nautical miles positions the aircraft for effective attacks within urban environments or other more condensed combat circumstances.

There are a variety of respects in which A-29s can change the equation when it comes to counterinsurgency. First and foremost, they can save lives. If overhead fire support is able to identify and attack pockets of enemy fighters, fewer ground troops have to enter into enemy fire. Also, an overhead asset of this kind can be an intelligence node able to send targeting information and data regarding troop movements.

When it comes to actual close-in counterinsurgency combat, fighters often obscure themselves in defilade or in buildings, requiring a need for precision strikes. The air-ground Maverick precision weapon can use a laser rangefinder and other kinds of advanced targeting technologies - providing what could be called an indispensable element of attack support. Naturally, advancing ground forces can benefit from air support while advancing on enemies for direct targeting or suppressive fire to enable forces to maneuver.. The Super Tucano is an affordable, light, cheap to maintain and durable just what you need to fight insurgents. High-tech weapons have a place, but why use them when other ones will do?

US-trained pilots with the Afghan Air Force have been attacking the Taliban with A-29 Super Tucano aircraft, a platform which seems well-suited for the Air Force’s intended mission scope. Its integrated weapons and laser-firing technology enable the platform to both lay down suppressive fire in support of advancing infantry and pinpoint targets for precision strikes.

A-29s are turboprop planes armed with one 20mm cannon below the fuselage able to shoot 650 rounds per minute, one 12.7mm machine gun (FN Herstal) under each wing and up to four 7.62mm Dillion Aero M134 Miniguns able to shoot up to 3,000 rounds per minute.

Super Tucanos are also equipped with 70mm rockets, air-to-air missiles such as the AIM-9L Sidewinder, air-to-ground weapons such as the AGM-65 Maverick and precision-guided bombs. It can also use a laser rangefinder and laser-guided weapons.

The Super Tucano is a highly maneuverable light attack aircraft able to operate in high temperatures and rugged terrain. It is 11.38 meters long and has a wingspan of 11.14 meters; its maximum takeoff weight is 5,400 kilograms. The aircraft has a combat radius of 300 nautical miles, can reach speeds up to 367 mph and hits ranges up to 720 nautical miles. Its range of 300 nautical miles positions the aircraft for effective attacks within urban environments or other more condensed combat circumstances.

There are a variety of respects in which A-29s can change the equation when it comes to counterinsurgency. First and foremost, they can save lives. If overhead fire support is able to identify and attack pockets of enemy fighters, fewer ground troops have to enter into enemy fire. Also, an overhead asset of this kind can be an intelligence node able to send targeting information and data regarding troop movements.

When it comes to actual close-in counterinsurgency combat, fighters often obscure themselves in defilade or in buildings, requiring a need for precision strikes. The air-ground Maverick precision weapon can use a laser rangefinder and other kinds of advanced targeting technologies - providing what could be called an indispensable element of attack support. Naturally, advancing ground forces can benefit from air support while advancing on enemies for direct targeting or suppressive fire to enable forces to maneuver.

Having said all these this is the best value for our money, I know a lot of people has issue with the jet been a turbo prop aircraft and it would have gone for an COIN & power projection aircraft, considering the fact that even Russian aircraft still lack in precision air strike and some numbers of capabilities, there cost of maintenance is on the high side.

In August 2017, the US State Department approved the sale of the 12 A-29 Super Tucano, spares, support equipment and services, and associated weapons for $593 million to the Nigerian Air Force. The associated weapons do not appear to be part of the recent $329 million award to Sierra Nevada.
The US Air Force awarded Sierra Nevada a $329 million foreign military sales contract to build 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft for the Nigerian Air Force, which are intended for use against Boko Haram and ISIS.

In addition to the 12 aircraft, the company is contracted to provide ground training devices, mission planning systems, mission debrief systems, spare parts, ground support equipment, alternate mission equipment and contractor support, the US Department of Defense says in a notice posted online.

For me the Super Tucson is the best option for the COIN operations in the north east even the United States are set procure more A29 to be inducted and to be used in conflicts area. The Airforce Authorities made the right choice.


[/b]

komekn:


2nd subject perspective response to your post.

Keep matters in context.

Which is " Best Value" and most effective use of resources for the best delivery outcome.

The context was the situation the outstanding general Adeniyi found himself. And the general terrain of the Sahel savanna and the limitations of the heavy MRAP's without run flat tyres, remote weapon stations and soft skinned pick up trucks. Essentially no precision weaponry.

It's obvious you have not shot a rifle with an optic sight, hence your deduction. Furthermore, you baseline data emanates it seems from the NA not very comprehensive.

Below a near official video from US army infantry that debunks your all your claimed knowledge about sniper training and capability.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUvvXWGNnDg

A 50 Cal. Sniper rifle will not just penetrate the engine block but mangle it completely up in one shot.

Boko gun trucks in Sambisa Sahel savanna are not on tarmac but rough terrain and can't go more than 10 mph, that's slow and with continuous stops to climb over gullys and undulations in the terrain.

MRAP's too big too heavy for the terrain and without any precision weaponry no remote weapons stations. Are not fit for purpose and a liability, particularly as the lead vehicles in a frontal assault.

Precision is everything or you just expend ammo with very little impact.

The NA doesn't have a definitive IFV in its armoury that's unacceptable.

Ok

The video u posted shows soldiers taking potshots at fixed targets from an elevated position and having a good time at it while a guy going PR talking about Barrett AMR rifle. And that's is.

So can you for educational purpose clarify how the video u posted in anyway debunks my points as u claimed the video did.


Here they are ( copied as it for ur ease , focus and obviously to keep matters in context )


1. Bro It takes very long time to make a sniper . Many don't make it. Already trained combatant will need to be untrained inorder to be retrained as a sniper. Incase you did not know when a infantry soldier trained in conventional warfare is deployed in CT/CI role , he is untrained and retrained for CT/CI ops before deployment. Otherwise his chance of getting killed is very high.

2. All special forces will require a good degree of sniper skill ? . Sniper skills don't grow on trees . Either u have or u don't . And majority don't have it. What ur proposing is akin to putting one leg each in two boats and in the still end up drowning even though one had 2 boats in their disposal. SF troopers have designated specialised roles . There are no allrounders. Making a dedicated sniper is hard enough , forget about all SFs. At best one can hope for is few select troopers in DMR role.

3. Snipers USP is element of surprise and stealth. BH mostly relies on hit and run ambush , in such a case how will a sniper deploy when he/his unit itself gets surprised due to ambush while being on patrol or even in a open defensive position. In real life snipers cannot operate in optimal mode in a chaotic situation with his position at the risk of getting over run. Just think the people well protected inside a T72 tank are hard pressed to get a shot off against swarming enemies . And you expecting a sniper to hold position against the same and shot down enemies successfully. Not saying it can't be done , but u will loose good many of the snipers in the bargain.

4. Also in real life a single high calibre bullet fired from a sniper rifle don't guarantee that it will penetrate the engine , sometimes bullet even armour piercing ones simply deflect. Untill the car stops u will need to keep firing.



Plz give a point by point rebuttal if u want that's is .

PRESS RELEASE

CHIEF OF ARMY STAFF EMBARKS ON FACILITY TOUR & ASSESSMENT OF SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING AT THE NIGERIAN ARMY SCHOOL OF INFANTRY

The Chief Of Army Staff (COAS), Lieutenant General Tukur Yusufu Buratai was at the Nigerian Army School of Infantry Jaji on a one day working visit to assess the level of a tailor made Special Forces training comprising of elements of 81 Battalion and newly formed 198 and 199 Special Forces Battalions.

According to Maj Gen Kevin Aligbe the Commandant of the Nigerian Army School of Infantry (NASI), - "the officers and soldiers of these special units commenced the training on the 20th of January, 2020".

"The training which is for three consecutive months would be rounded off in the next two weeks".

While addressing the troops, the COAS explicitly enjoined the trainees to make the best use of the special training and new skills acquired which will certainly be useful in the course of their current and future deployments in the Nigerian Army.

The extensively rigorous special training was facilitated by the StarterPoint Integrated Services.

While going round the training area, General Buratai was visibly impressed with the level of organization, discipline and training which border on tactics, skills at arms, rescue operation, first aid, navigation, surveillance as well as survival skills.

The trainees were equally elated to see the COAS in their midst. They promised to give in their best as they look forward to their deployment in any part, - within or outside Nigeria. The trainees will graduate soon.

To further demonstrate the importance of physical fitness to military profession, the COAS led the troops to special forces' push ups where the troops again became proudly excited.

Thereafter, Gen Buratai proceeded to inspect the Nature Conservation Area initiated by NASI. The Conservation Area which is being developed within a themed park-zoo would provide a place for curiosity, research, leisure and entertainment when finally completed.

Before leaving Jaji Military Cantonment, the COAS and his entourage also inspected ongoing projects at the Martin Luther Agwai International Leadership and Peacekeeping Center.

The last stop over during the visit was at the Command Engineering Depot Kaduna where the COAS also inspected various locally made armoured fighting vehicles at different levels of completion.

The COAS commended and enjoined the Commander and his staff to keep up the ingenious work which have saved the Nation huge amount of foreign exchange which would have been spent on importation of similar vehicles.

This feat is in furtherance of the Federal Government's Local Content Policy and the necessity of the service to manufacture some of its war fighting equipment especially that the same equipment are not easily acquirable in the open/international market.

SAGIR MUSA
Colonel
Acting Director Army Public Relations
2 April 2020

kabe1:


This is a false statement, Nigeria did not buy 12 Super Tucanos for $600 million.

Even when we are angry let us always speak the truth.

Paying attention to detail is an act of intelligence and the best way to get knowledge.

You have jumped before you look.

At what point did l say we have bought these aircraft. See my statement in blue.

In actual fact the aircraft are still not procured but there has been a formalised request with costing responses. These aircraft will not come in box immediately, probably take 24 months for completion. That's too much too late IMO. There has also been a lot of controversial discourse about whether payment was approved by the NA. I don't think we have the money anymore as it stands.


Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft.

nemesis8u:


Ok

The video u posted shows soldiers taking potshots at fixed targets from an elevated position and having a good time at it while a guy going PR talking about Barrett AMR rifle. And that's is.

So can you for educational purpose clarify how the video u posted in anyway debunks my points as u claimed the video did.


Here they are ( copied as it for ur ease , focus and obviously to keep matters in context )


1. Bro It takes very long time to make a sniper . Many don't make it. Already trained combatant will need to be untrained inorder to be retrained as a sniper. Incase you did not know when a infantry soldier trained in conventional warfare is deployed in CT/CI role , he is untrained and retrained for CT/CI ops before deployment. Otherwise his chance of getting killed is very high.

2. All special forces will require a good degree of sniper skill ? . Sniper skills don't grow on trees . Either u have or u don't . And majority don't have it. What ur proposing is akin to putting one leg each in two boats and in the still end up drowning even though one had 2 boats in their disposal. SF troopers have designated specialised roles . There are no allrounders. Making a dedicated sniper is hard enough , forget about all SFs. At best one can hope for is few select troopers in DMR role.

3. Snipers USP is element of surprise and stealth. BH mostly relies on hit and run ambush , in such a case how will a sniper deploy when he/his unit itself gets surprised due to ambush while being on patrol or even in a open defensive position. In real life snipers cannot operate in optimal mode in a chaotic situation with his position at the risk of getting over run. Just think the people well protected inside a T72 tank are hard pressed to get a shot off against swarming enemies . And you expecting a sniper to hold position against the same and shot down enemies successfully. Not saying it can't be done , but u will loose good many of the snipers in the bargain.

4. Also in real life a single high calibre bullet fired from a sniper rifle don't guarantee that it will penetrate the engine , sometimes bullet even armour piercing ones simply deflect. Untill the car stops u will need to keep firing.



Plz give a point by point rebuttal if u want that's is .

The short video is not intended to be comprehensive just indicative.

I am not here to prove I know more than anybody, that would be stupidity.

You are entitled to your opinion.

I have nothing to prove.

jln115:
It was $329 mil to be precise, definitely not $600 mil

Below is an excerpt from one of the most prolific contributors on this thread Bidexiii.


In August 2017, the US State Department approved the sale of the 12 A-29 Super Tucano, spares, support equipment and services, and associated weapons for $593 million to the Nigerian Air Force .

I had read a report on this but can't be bothered trying to find it.

But l am not the only one with that view of costing of $600 million.

Do you think this procurement is " Best Value " and the most effective use of our very scarce resources.

komekn:


Paying attention to detail is an act of intelligence and the best way to get knowledge.

You have jumped before you look.

At what point did l say we have bought these aircraft. See my statement in blue.

In actual fact the aircraft are still not procured but there has been a formalised request with costing responses. These aircraft will not come in box immediately, probably take 24 months for completion. That's too much too late IMO. There has also been a lot of controversial discourse about whether payment was approved by the NA. I don't think we have the money anymore as it stands.


Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft.

Nigeria has fully paid for the Super Tucano.

We did not pay 600 million for it like you earlier insinuated.

Habane:
With the excuse of BH Cameron has succeed in keeping it Anglophone region militarised, and Derby has been keeping a strong man pose in the world media while just a visit to Chad will clear your doubt, this is some example mate

My brother how does the BH crises relate with the anglophone crises caneriib us facing. Instead its a pain in the ass of the cameroonian government because though the conflict has greatly reduced with fighing localized in certain lil areas, it still draws much needed man man power to police the 2 regions. That man power is much needed in the north. It is now that the government has been able to meet up because of the presence of troops who finished their training started 2 years ago . Dont mix up things I beg. everyone wants a stop to the BH crises.

komekn:


Below is an excerpt from one of the most prolific contributors on this thread Bidexiii.


In August 2017, the US State Department approved the sale of the 12 A-29 Super Tucano, spares, support equipment and services, and associated weapons for $593 million to the Nigerian Air Force .

I had read a report on this but can't be bothered trying to find it.

But l am not the only one with that view of costing of $600 million.

Do you think this procurement is " Best Value " and the most effective use of our very scarce resources.

You should at least do some basic research.

Nigeria’s military will not be able to receive the already paid-for 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft until 2024 from the United States.



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Home » News » Nigeria to get ordered 12 Super Tucano in 2024
Nigeria to get ordered 12 Super Tucano in 2024
ON NOVEMBER 30, 201811:21 AMIN NEWS
Nigeria’s military will not be able to receive the already paid-for 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft until 2024 from the United States.


Reports said the United States Department of Defence has just awarded a $329 million contract to the Sierra Nevada Corporation to manufacture the planes for the Nigerian Air Force (NAF), months after Nigeria paid for them.

The planes are needed to combat Boko Haram insurgency in the north east of the country.

defence.co.za reported that the contract was announced on 28 November and is worth $329m for the aircraft, although the total not-to-exceed amount is approved at $344.7m.


Nigeria paid $462m for the aircraft and a host of other accessories and weapons in April.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2018/11/nigeria-to-get-ordered-12-super-tucano-in-2024/amp/

komekn:


Below is an excerpt from one of the most prolific contributors on this thread Bidexiii.


In August 2017, the US State Department approved the sale of the 12 A-29 Super Tucano, spares, support equipment and services, and associated weapons for $593 million to the Nigerian Air Force .

I had read a report on this but can't be bothered trying to find it.

But l am not the only one with that view of costing of $600 million.

Do you think this procurement is " Best Value " and the most effective use of our very scarce resources.

Sipri tracks all weapon trades across the glob, its stated on their website that the contract was worth $329 mil, as in the actual amount paid.

And yes for $329 mil its very very good value for money!

bidexiii:
PRESS RELEASE

CHIEF OF ARMY STAFF EMBARKS ON FACILITY TOUR & ASSESSMENT OF SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING AT THE NIGERIAN ARMY SCHOOL OF INFANTRY

The Chief Of Army Staff (COAS), Lieutenant General Tukur Yusufu Buratai was at the Nigerian Army School of Infantry Jaji on a one day working visit to assess the level of a tailor made Special Forces training comprising of elements of 81 Battalion and newly formed 198 and 199 Special Forces Battalions.

According to Maj Gen Kevin Aligbe the Commandant of the Nigerian Army School of Infantry (NASI), - "the officers and soldiers of these special units commenced the training on the 20th of January, 2020".

"The training which is for three consecutive months would be rounded off in the next two weeks".

While addressing the troops, the COAS explicitly enjoined the trainees to make the best use of the special training and new skills acquired which will certainly be useful in the course of their current and future deployments in the Nigerian Army.

The extensively rigorous special training was facilitated by the StarterPoint Integrated Services.

While going round the training area, General Buratai was visibly impressed with the level of organization, discipline and training which border on tactics, skills at arms, rescue operation, first aid, navigation, surveillance as well as survival skills.

The trainees were equally elated to see the COAS in their midst. They promised to give in their best as they look forward to their deployment in any part, - within or outside Nigeria. The trainees will graduate soon.

To further demonstrate the importance of physical fitness to military profession, the COAS led the troops to special forces' push ups where the troops again became proudly excited.

Thereafter, Gen Buratai proceeded to inspect the Nature Conservation Area initiated by NASI. The Conservation Area which is being developed within a themed park-zoo would provide a place for curiosity, research, leisure and entertainment when finally completed.

Before leaving Jaji Military Cantonment, the COAS and his entourage also inspected ongoing projects at the Martin Luther Agwai International Leadership and Peacekeeping Center.

The last stop over during the visit was at the Command Engineering Depot Kaduna where the COAS also inspected various locally made armoured fighting vehicles at different levels of completion.

The COAS commended and enjoined the Commander and his staff to keep up the ingenious work which have saved the Nation huge amount of foreign exchange which would have been spent on importation of similar vehicles.

This feat is in furtherance of the Federal Government's Local Content Policy and the necessity of the service to manufacture some of its war fighting equipment especially that the same equipment are not easily acquirable in the open/international market.

SAGIR MUSA
Colonel
Acting Director Army Public Relations
2 April 2020

While boys are biting dust in NE, this man is creating new "special forces" battalions and doing push ups!

komekn:


The short video is not intended to be comprehensive just indicative.

I am not here to prove I know more than anybody, that would be stupidity.

You are entitled to your opinion.

I have nothing to prove.

Ok ,no problem

Odunayaw:
While boys are biting dust in NE, this man is creating new "special forces" battalions and doing push ups!

The word has been bastardised I have seen a man o war cadet with a special forces badge

Even civil defence get SF now

fabselad:


My brother how does the BH crises relate with the anglophone crises caneriib us facing. Instead its a pain in the ass of the cameroonian government because though the conflict has greatly reduced with fighing localized in certain lil areas, it still draws much needed man man power to police the 2 regions. That man power is much needed in the north. It is now that the government has been able to meet up because of the presence of troops who finished their training started 2 years ago . Dont mix up things I beg. everyone wants a stop to the BH crises.

ok

jln115:

Sipri tracks all weapon trades across the glob, its stated on their website that the contract was worth $329 mil, as in the actual amount paid.

And yes for $329 mil its very very good value for money!

[/b]The US Air Force awarded Sierra Nevada a $329 million foreign military sales contract to build 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft for the Nigerian Air Force. [b]
But the total contract is $593M which includes spares parts for the 12 aircraft, support equipment and services, and associated weapons/munitions, and even building hangers and A29 stimulator in Kanji, which brings the whole spending to $593 million which has been fully paid. The associated weapons do not appear to be part of the recent $329 million award to Sierra Nevada.

ARMED FORCES OF NIGERIA RAMPS UP ATTACKS ON BOKO HARAM LOCATIONS, TAKES OUT SEVERAL TERRORISTS IN AIR STRIKES AT PARISU IN BORNO STATE

1. In furtherance of the objective of restoring peace and security in the North East of the Country, the Armed Forces of Nigeria, through the Air Task Force of Operation LAFIYA DOLE, has ramped up attacks against terrorists’ locations in Borno State. The latest of these attacks was executed at Parisu, a Boko Haram Terrorists’ hideout, within the Sambisa Forest on 31 March 2020, after series of Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) missions revealed a resurgence of activities within the settlement.

2. Fighter jets dispatched by the Air Task Force to attack the hideout took turns in engaging the location, resulting in the destruction of some of the structures as well as the killing of several terrorists. Other fighters, who attempted to reposition themselves in order to engage the attack aircraft, were taken out in follow-on strikes at their hiding places under shrubbery.

3. The Armed Forces of Nigeria, working in synergy with counterpart security agencies and stakeholders, will sustain the tempo of offensive action against all elements inimical to the peace and security of our beloved Nation.

4. You are please requested to disseminate this information and show the attached declassified short video clip of the attack through your medium for the awareness of the general public. Thank you for your usual support and cooperation.

BERNARD ONYEUKO
Brigadier General
Acting Director Defence Media Operations
Defence Headquarters

Odunayaw:
While boys are biting dust in NE, this man is creating new "special forces" battalions and doing push ups!

Here lies the problem...proliferation of what should not be called special forces. The airforce too is not exempted. Sometimes these guys end up been used to do police work