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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 11:36am On Apr 02, 2020 |
nemesis8u: 2nd subject perspective response to your post. Keep matters in context. Which is " Best Value" and most effective use of resources for the best delivery outcome. The context was the situation the outstanding general Adeniyi found himself. And the general terrain of the Sahel savanna and the limitations of the heavy MRAP's without run flat tyres, remote weapon stations and soft skinned pick up trucks. Essentially no precision weaponry. It's obvious you have not shot a rifle with an optic sight, hence your deduction. Furthermore, you baseline data emanates it seems from the NA not very comprehensive. Below a near official video from US army infantry that debunks your all your claimed knowledge about sniper training and capability. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUvvXWGNnDg A 50 Cal. Sniper rifle will not just penetrate the engine block but mangle it completely up in one shot. Boko gun trucks in Sambisa Sahel savanna are not on tarmac but rough terrain and can't go more than 10 mph, that's slow and with continuous stops to climb over gullys and undulations in the terrain. MRAP's too big too heavy for the terrain and without any precision weaponry no remote weapons stations. Are not fit for purpose and a liability, particularly as the lead vehicles in a frontal assault. Precision is everything or you just expend ammo with very little impact. The NA doesn't have a definitive IFV in its armoury that's unacceptable. 4 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by joshingjosh(m): 12:10pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
nemesis8u: Thanks 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Tochex101(m): 2:41pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
@Kokemn Brilliant input, you taking your time to buttress is wonderful. @nemesis Pls never feel shy or disinterested to note your observations or pen down your thoughts. It’s concerning that adults are unable to share ideas peacefully or have varying opinions without rancor. I encourage everyone to always air their views........you never know who is reading or the impact your thoughts can make. Gracias! 3 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 4:29pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
komekn:Your father is no more a Lecturer too? 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Sizzorkay: 5:15pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
Haha, oh man. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 5:49pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
Odunayaw: My Dad taught microbiology at a university in the UK before coming to Nigeria. At the same time he was an officer in the British army, specifically biological and chemical warfare programme. Although l know all the regiments he served at, l had no knowledge of the details or depth of the programme, defensive or offensive. Just to satisfy your curiosity and so you don't make wrong assumptions. It's not as popular now but in my time it was very common for university students to enrol in reserve officer training. For one it gets you extra money in your pocket as well as very exciting times. However, the last 20 years has seen the trend not so attractive. Because you know you are going to get deployed, and well that might not be so funny. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 6:05pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
komekn:Right. I was talking about his teaching in Nigeria |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 6:13pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
Toju200: I don't know of you have spent time in the bush. These are areas that are sparsely populated and quite. And as a result a little noise travels a long way. The modus operandi of the NA is to go in large convoys, quite often on well trodden pathways and or roads. We will not presume that Boko are blind as bats and even if they are they can probably hear you coming a long way off. Imagine the noise a convoy of Big MRAP's and Huge big yellow dumpster trucks make struggling to get through the rough and undulating terrain. You might as well announce your arrival with a trumpet. They boko will definitely have look outs and yes Boko have basic drones. Then how attractive is the slow moving immobile big YELLOW HIGH UP dumpster truck to Boko trained and untrained fighters with an RPG7, even with steel sights. What is going to be the easiest target �❓ THE BIG YELLOW DUMPSTER If you don't have spatial situational awareness to comb the area around you in a slow moving convoy. What's the RESULT you drive right into the kill zone. You don't need any insider information, you don't need fifth columnists and traitors within allegedly to set this up. You have essentially set yourself up. Look at how the French operate in Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso. It will explain why they have such few casualties over the past 7 years. My two penny opinion. 7 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 6:17pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
Odunayaw: He taught at university in the East of Nigeria and l stayed thier with him during the holidays when I came back from boarding school in Warri. That's why l can speak Igbo. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 6:25pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
Topic for discussion and question. Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft. Cost of procurement for 12 aircraft $600 million. It's been presented by quite a few as the game charger we need in the SE to completely turn the tide in this seemingly never ending war. Is this " best value " and best use of our very limited resources for the greatest impact and best outcome delivery. If you do agree why ❓ and if you don't what would be your alternative procurement model and or approach. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 6:28pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
komekn: This is a false statement, Nigeria did not buy 12 Super Tucanos for $600 million. Even when we are angry let us always speak the truth. 2 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 7:15pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
kabe1:It was $329 mil to be precise, definitely not $600 mil |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Tochex101(m): 7:35pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
jln115:......and was supposed to be bought with repatriated funds so no strong bargaining tool, platform wise or even cost-wise I think..... |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:46pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
NAF SOF 4 Likes
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 7:50pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
komekn: Guys please no abuses, lets be constructive. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 9:03pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
[b]The A29 is an excellent turbo prop planes armed with one 20mm cannon below the fuselage able to shoot 650 rounds per minute, one 12.7mm machine gun (FN Herstal) under each wing and up to four 7.62mm Dillion Aero M134 Miniguns able to shoot up to 3,000 rounds per minute. Super Tucanos are also equipped with 70mm rockets, air-to-air missiles such as the AIM-9L Sidewinder, air-to-ground weapons such as the AGM-65 Maverick and precision-guided bombs. It can also use a laser rangefinder and laser-guided weapons. The Super Tucano is a highly maneuverable light attack aircraft able to operate in high temperatures and rugged terrain. It is 11.38 meters long and has a wingspan of 11.14 meters; its maximum takeoff weight is 5,400 kilograms. The aircraft has a combat radius of 300 nautical miles, can reach speeds up to 367 mph and hits ranges up to 720 nautical miles. Its range of 300 nautical miles positions the aircraft for effective attacks within urban environments or other more condensed combat circumstances. There are a variety of respects in which A-29s can change the equation when it comes to counterinsurgency. First and foremost, they can save lives. If overhead fire support is able to identify and attack pockets of enemy fighters, fewer ground troops have to enter into enemy fire. Also, an overhead asset of this kind can be an intelligence node able to send targeting information and data regarding troop movements. When it comes to actual close-in counterinsurgency combat, fighters often obscure themselves in defilade or in buildings, requiring a need for precision strikes. The air-ground Maverick precision weapon can use a laser rangefinder and other kinds of advanced targeting technologies - providing what could be called an indispensable element of attack support. Naturally, advancing ground forces can benefit from air support while advancing on enemies for direct targeting or suppressive fire to enable forces to maneuver.. The Super Tucano is an affordable, light, cheap to maintain and durable just what you need to fight insurgents. High-tech weapons have a place, but why use them when other ones will do? US-trained pilots with the Afghan Air Force have been attacking the Taliban with A-29 Super Tucano aircraft, a platform which seems well-suited for the Air Force’s intended mission scope. Its integrated weapons and laser-firing technology enable the platform to both lay down suppressive fire in support of advancing infantry and pinpoint targets for precision strikes. A-29s are turboprop planes armed with one 20mm cannon below the fuselage able to shoot 650 rounds per minute, one 12.7mm machine gun (FN Herstal) under each wing and up to four 7.62mm Dillion Aero M134 Miniguns able to shoot up to 3,000 rounds per minute. Super Tucanos are also equipped with 70mm rockets, air-to-air missiles such as the AIM-9L Sidewinder, air-to-ground weapons such as the AGM-65 Maverick and precision-guided bombs. It can also use a laser rangefinder and laser-guided weapons. The Super Tucano is a highly maneuverable light attack aircraft able to operate in high temperatures and rugged terrain. It is 11.38 meters long and has a wingspan of 11.14 meters; its maximum takeoff weight is 5,400 kilograms. The aircraft has a combat radius of 300 nautical miles, can reach speeds up to 367 mph and hits ranges up to 720 nautical miles. Its range of 300 nautical miles positions the aircraft for effective attacks within urban environments or other more condensed combat circumstances. There are a variety of respects in which A-29s can change the equation when it comes to counterinsurgency. First and foremost, they can save lives. If overhead fire support is able to identify and attack pockets of enemy fighters, fewer ground troops have to enter into enemy fire. Also, an overhead asset of this kind can be an intelligence node able to send targeting information and data regarding troop movements. When it comes to actual close-in counterinsurgency combat, fighters often obscure themselves in defilade or in buildings, requiring a need for precision strikes. The air-ground Maverick precision weapon can use a laser rangefinder and other kinds of advanced targeting technologies - providing what could be called an indispensable element of attack support. Naturally, advancing ground forces can benefit from air support while advancing on enemies for direct targeting or suppressive fire to enable forces to maneuver. Having said all these this is the best value for our money, I know a lot of people has issue with the jet been a turbo prop aircraft and it would have gone for an COIN & power projection aircraft, considering the fact that even Russian aircraft still lack in precision air strike and some numbers of capabilities, there cost of maintenance is on the high side. In August 2017, the US State Department approved the sale of the 12 A-29 Super Tucano, spares, support equipment and services, and associated weapons for $593 million to the Nigerian Air Force. The associated weapons do not appear to be part of the recent $329 million award to Sierra Nevada. The US Air Force awarded Sierra Nevada a $329 million foreign military sales contract to build 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft for the Nigerian Air Force, which are intended for use against Boko Haram and ISIS. In addition to the 12 aircraft, the company is contracted to provide ground training devices, mission planning systems, mission debrief systems, spare parts, ground support equipment, alternate mission equipment and contractor support, the US Department of Defense says in a notice posted online. For me the Super Tucson is the best option for the COIN operations in the north east even the United States are set procure more A29 to be inducted and to be used in conflicts area. The Airforce Authorities made the right choice. [/b] 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 10:04pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
komekn: Ok The video u posted shows soldiers taking potshots at fixed targets from an elevated position and having a good time at it while a guy going PR talking about Barrett AMR rifle. And that's is. So can you for educational purpose clarify how the video u posted in anyway debunks my points as u claimed the video did. Here they are ( copied as it for ur ease , focus and obviously to keep matters in context ) 1. Bro It takes very long time to make a sniper . Many don't make it. Already trained combatant will need to be untrained inorder to be retrained as a sniper. Incase you did not know when a infantry soldier trained in conventional warfare is deployed in CT/CI role , he is untrained and retrained for CT/CI ops before deployment. Otherwise his chance of getting killed is very high. 2. All special forces will require a good degree of sniper skill ? . Sniper skills don't grow on trees . Either u have or u don't . And majority don't have it. What ur proposing is akin to putting one leg each in two boats and in the still end up drowning even though one had 2 boats in their disposal. SF troopers have designated specialised roles . There are no allrounders. Making a dedicated sniper is hard enough , forget about all SFs. At best one can hope for is few select troopers in DMR role. 3. Snipers USP is element of surprise and stealth. BH mostly relies on hit and run ambush , in such a case how will a sniper deploy when he/his unit itself gets surprised due to ambush while being on patrol or even in a open defensive position. In real life snipers cannot operate in optimal mode in a chaotic situation with his position at the risk of getting over run. Just think the people well protected inside a T72 tank are hard pressed to get a shot off against swarming enemies . And you expecting a sniper to hold position against the same and shot down enemies successfully. Not saying it can't be done , but u will loose good many of the snipers in the bargain. 4. Also in real life a single high calibre bullet fired from a sniper rifle don't guarantee that it will penetrate the engine , sometimes bullet even armour piercing ones simply deflect. Untill the car stops u will need to keep firing. Plz give a point by point rebuttal if u want that's is . 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 10:35pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
PRESS RELEASE CHIEF OF ARMY STAFF EMBARKS ON FACILITY TOUR & ASSESSMENT OF SPECIAL FORCES TRAINING AT THE NIGERIAN ARMY SCHOOL OF INFANTRY The Chief Of Army Staff (COAS), Lieutenant General Tukur Yusufu Buratai was at the Nigerian Army School of Infantry Jaji on a one day working visit to assess the level of a tailor made Special Forces training comprising of elements of 81 Battalion and newly formed 198 and 199 Special Forces Battalions. According to Maj Gen Kevin Aligbe the Commandant of the Nigerian Army School of Infantry (NASI), - "the officers and soldiers of these special units commenced the training on the 20th of January, 2020". "The training which is for three consecutive months would be rounded off in the next two weeks". While addressing the troops, the COAS explicitly enjoined the trainees to make the best use of the special training and new skills acquired which will certainly be useful in the course of their current and future deployments in the Nigerian Army. The extensively rigorous special training was facilitated by the StarterPoint Integrated Services. While going round the training area, General Buratai was visibly impressed with the level of organization, discipline and training which border on tactics, skills at arms, rescue operation, first aid, navigation, surveillance as well as survival skills. The trainees were equally elated to see the COAS in their midst. They promised to give in their best as they look forward to their deployment in any part, - within or outside Nigeria. The trainees will graduate soon. To further demonstrate the importance of physical fitness to military profession, the COAS led the troops to special forces' push ups where the troops again became proudly excited. Thereafter, Gen Buratai proceeded to inspect the Nature Conservation Area initiated by NASI. The Conservation Area which is being developed within a themed park-zoo would provide a place for curiosity, research, leisure and entertainment when finally completed. Before leaving Jaji Military Cantonment, the COAS and his entourage also inspected ongoing projects at the Martin Luther Agwai International Leadership and Peacekeeping Center. The last stop over during the visit was at the Command Engineering Depot Kaduna where the COAS also inspected various locally made armoured fighting vehicles at different levels of completion. The COAS commended and enjoined the Commander and his staff to keep up the ingenious work which have saved the Nation huge amount of foreign exchange which would have been spent on importation of similar vehicles. This feat is in furtherance of the Federal Government's Local Content Policy and the necessity of the service to manufacture some of its war fighting equipment especially that the same equipment are not easily acquirable in the open/international market. SAGIR MUSA Colonel Acting Director Army Public Relations 2 April 2020
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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 10:47pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
kabe1: Paying attention to detail is an act of intelligence and the best way to get knowledge. You have jumped before you look. At what point did l say we have bought these aircraft. See my statement in blue. In actual fact the aircraft are still not procured but there has been a formalised request with costing responses. These aircraft will not come in box immediately, probably take 24 months for completion. That's too much too late IMO. There has also been a lot of controversial discourse about whether payment was approved by the NA. I don't think we have the money anymore as it stands. Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 10:51pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
nemesis8u: The short video is not intended to be comprehensive just indicative. I am not here to prove I know more than anybody, that would be stupidity. You are entitled to your opinion. I have nothing to prove. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 10:59pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
jln115: Below is an excerpt from one of the most prolific contributors on this thread Bidexiii. In August 2017, the US State Department approved the sale of the 12 A-29 Super Tucano, spares, support equipment and services, and associated weapons for $593 million to the Nigerian Air Force . I had read a report on this but can't be bothered trying to find it. But l am not the only one with that view of costing of $600 million. Do you think this procurement is " Best Value " and the most effective use of our very scarce resources. |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 11:04pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
komekn: Nigeria has fully paid for the Super Tucano. We did not pay 600 million for it like you earlier insinuated. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by fabselad(m): 11:08pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
Habane: My brother how does the BH crises relate with the anglophone crises caneriib us facing. Instead its a pain in the ass of the cameroonian government because though the conflict has greatly reduced with fighing localized in certain lil areas, it still draws much needed man man power to police the 2 regions. That man power is much needed in the north. It is now that the government has been able to meet up because of the presence of troops who finished their training started 2 years ago . Dont mix up things I beg. everyone wants a stop to the BH crises. 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kabe1: 11:10pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
komekn: You should at least do some basic research. Nigeria’s military will not be able to receive the already paid-for 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft until 2024 from the United States. 2' Super Tucano Home » News » Nigeria to get ordered 12 Super Tucano in 2024 Nigeria to get ordered 12 Super Tucano in 2024 ON NOVEMBER 30, 201811:21 AMIN NEWS Nigeria’s military will not be able to receive the already paid-for 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft until 2024 from the United States. Reports said the United States Department of Defence has just awarded a $329 million contract to the Sierra Nevada Corporation to manufacture the planes for the Nigerian Air Force (NAF), months after Nigeria paid for them. The planes are needed to combat Boko Haram insurgency in the north east of the country. defence.co.za reported that the contract was announced on 28 November and is worth $329m for the aircraft, although the total not-to-exceed amount is approved at $344.7m. Nigeria paid $462m for the aircraft and a host of other accessories and weapons in April. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2018/11/nigeria-to-get-ordered-12-super-tucano-in-2024/amp/ 1 Like |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:15pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
komekn:Sipri tracks all weapon trades across the glob, its stated on their website that the contract was worth $329 mil, as in the actual amount paid. And yes for $329 mil its very very good value for money! |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Odunayaw(m): 11:29pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
bidexiii:While boys are biting dust in NE, this man is creating new "special forces" battalions and doing push ups! 8 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:45pm On Apr 02, 2020 |
komekn: Ok ,no problem |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Kalapizim(m): 12:44am On Apr 03, 2020 |
Odunayaw:The word has been bastardised I have seen a man o war cadet with a special forces badge Even civil defence get SF now |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Habane(m): 5:05am On Apr 03, 2020 |
fabselad:ok |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 5:41am On Apr 03, 2020 |
jln115: [/b]The US Air Force awarded Sierra Nevada a $329 million foreign military sales contract to build 12 A-29 Super Tucano aircraft for the Nigerian Air Force. [b] But the total contract is $593M which includes spares parts for the 12 aircraft, support equipment and services, and associated weapons/munitions, and even building hangers and A29 stimulator in Kanji, which brings the whole spending to $593 million which has been fully paid. The associated weapons do not appear to be part of the recent $329 million award to Sierra Nevada. 5 Likes |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 6:03am On Apr 03, 2020 |
ARMED FORCES OF NIGERIA RAMPS UP ATTACKS ON BOKO HARAM LOCATIONS, TAKES OUT SEVERAL TERRORISTS IN AIR STRIKES AT PARISU IN BORNO STATE 1. In furtherance of the objective of restoring peace and security in the North East of the Country, the Armed Forces of Nigeria, through the Air Task Force of Operation LAFIYA DOLE, has ramped up attacks against terrorists’ locations in Borno State. The latest of these attacks was executed at Parisu, a Boko Haram Terrorists’ hideout, within the Sambisa Forest on 31 March 2020, after series of Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) missions revealed a resurgence of activities within the settlement. 2. Fighter jets dispatched by the Air Task Force to attack the hideout took turns in engaging the location, resulting in the destruction of some of the structures as well as the killing of several terrorists. Other fighters, who attempted to reposition themselves in order to engage the attack aircraft, were taken out in follow-on strikes at their hiding places under shrubbery. 3. The Armed Forces of Nigeria, working in synergy with counterpart security agencies and stakeholders, will sustain the tempo of offensive action against all elements inimical to the peace and security of our beloved Nation. 4. You are please requested to disseminate this information and show the attached declassified short video clip of the attack through your medium for the awareness of the general public. Thank you for your usual support and cooperation. BERNARD ONYEUKO Brigadier General Acting Director Defence Media Operations Defence Headquarters |
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Fynline(m): 6:10am On Apr 03, 2020 |
Odunayaw: Here lies the problem...proliferation of what should not be called special forces. The airforce too is not exempted. Sometimes these guys end up been used to do police work |
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