ZKOSOSO:

Just Imagine the Evil Plans from time past.....!

eagleu:


Good job, sir.

Nowenuse:
Well, for those who would doubt, here are 2 ways you can estimate the true strong population of Northern christians in the 19 northern states.


1) USING MINORITY POPULATION

Northern minority ethnic groups (all ethnic groups in the north that are not Hausa or fulani) are predominantly christian. (65-70% Christian).

And among the 19 northern states, Northern minority ethnic groups dominate 10 states (Borno, Yobe, Taraba, Adamawa, Gombe, Niger, Plateau, Nasarawa, Benue & Kogi).
Hausa fulanis dominate 6 states (Kano, Zamfara, Jigawa, Katsina, Sokoto & Kebbi).
Yorubas dominate 1 (Kwara).
While 2 others (Bauchi & Kaduna) are about a 50-50 between minority groups & Hausa fulanis.
Bauchi is actually and originally a clearly minority dominated state, but a good number of these minorities who are muslims have been Hausanized and this is why it is best said to be a 50-50.

So, Hausas & fulanis combined are actually a minority in the north, if you put all the other minority groups together.
Now, If these minority groups put together have a majority population in the north and they are predominantly Christian, this clearly confirms the strong population of Christians in the north.

Among the over 200 ethnic groups that make up Northern minorities, only Kanuris-Shuwa Arabs, Ebiras, Nupe
-Kakandas, Bariba-Busas, Boghom and less than 10 ethnic groups in Bauchi-Yobe axis are predominantly muslims.
The overwhelming majority of the other approx 200 ethnic groups are overwhelmingly Christians with a significant minority of them who are a 50-50.

So the conclusion is

'Northern minority groups outnumber Hausa fulanis in the north and these same Northern minorities are predominantly Christian'.

mhbabanna:



Nonsense misinformation. Continue wallowing in self deciet, this is not worth arguing. Any one who believes this write up at the detriment of his/her common sense.

PassingShot:
Wrong statistics.

Northern Christians are actually 70% of the population there.

Nowenuse:


Remove Ilorin now and put Ifelodun, Omu Aran, Offa, Erin Ile and the entire Kwara south together first, can you open your mouth and say muslims are the majority in Kwara south?

Kwara south has 7 LGA among the 16 in Kwara state. Hence the indigenes of Kwara south make up like 40% of the state's population and they are Christian Majority.

Have you been to the 2 Ekiti speaking LGAs (Ekiti & Oke-oro LGAs)? These places are entirely Christian. You hardly find a mosque in their towns.

Igbolo, Igbomina & Ekiti people are the 3 Yoruba subethnic groups that make up Kwara south. Can you put them together and tell us that Muslims are more here?

Ekiti people are entirely Christian, while Igbomina & Ibolo are something around a 50-50 with muslims having the slight advantage in Ibolo and Christians in Igbomina. Igbomina also spreads into Kwara central in Asa LGA. So, don't mention Kwara south in your lies abeg.

As for Ilorin, everyone knows Ilorin indigenes are overwhelmingly muslim and yes you are correct that Ilorin inner city or old Ilorin where the indigenes dominate is overwhelmingly muslim, but is old Ilorin the only place that makes up present day Ilorin city? Ilorin city has grown beyond that slum city center.

Look below at the 1st pic from Google maps and see that whitish dense part to the North-Western part of the city, that is where Old Ilorin is, a congested slum where the indigenes dominate. It is only like 25% of the city's Landmass.
Apart from that area, every other part of Ilorin is either Christian dominated or is 50-50.

See the 2nd, 3rd & 4th pictures from the Eastern part of Ilorin. Can you see the number of churches in different neighbourhoods? Go and sleep pls.
Ilorin of today is not Ilorin of 30 years ago. The influx of christians from Kwara south, Kogi West & SW has neutralized the strong muslim component of the city! If at all muslims should be more in Ilorin, it is a 60-40. Otherwise it is now a 50-50 thing.

Nowenuse:


This is the map of Kaduna below. Can u see Chikun, Kajuru, Kauru & Lere LGAs at the same horizontal level? But Chikun & Kajuru are in Kaduna central, Kauru is in Kaduna south while Lere is in Kaduna north.
How can Lere & Kauru who are side by side in the same horizontal level, yet one is in Kaduna north and the other is in Kaduna south?

Then can you see Giwa & Birnin Gwari LGAs that share boundary with Katsina & Zamfara states? They are both in Kaduna central. If this is not a fraud to weaken the Christians in Kaduna state, tell me what it is!

kolaaderin:
This IPOB statistics is never correct, go to those places physically and judge

Nowenuse:


This is the map of Kaduna below. Can u see Chikun, Kajuru, Kauru & Lere LGAs at the same horizontal level? But Chikun & Kajuru are in Kaduna central, Kauru is in Kaduna south while Lere is in Kaduna north.
How can Lere & Kauru who are side by side in the same horizontal level, yet one is in Kaduna north and the other is in Kaduna south?

Then can you see Giwa & Birnin Gwari LGAs that share boundary with Katsina & Zamfara states? They are both in Kaduna central. If this is not a fraud to weaken the Christians in Kaduna state, tell me what it is!

Nowenuse:



I just included the map. I forgot to include it.

Yes my brother, so so many evil plans and arrangements were done to empower muslims over christians in not just Kaduna state but the entire region and country.

In my state Plateau for instance, Wase LGA (which has a large population of fulanis) was given a Federal constituency of it's own, while 2 and 3 LGAs were merged as 1 constituency in other parts of Plateau state.

My LGA of origin (Mangu) has by far the highest population of indigenes in Plateau state, yet we had to be merged with another LGA as one constituency, while Wase LGA which is not even up to half the population of my LGA is a constituency of it's own, just because they want a fulani man to have a permanent seat among the 8 federal representatives of my state.

This was a similar game they played in Kaduna state.

I wonder how our people were blind to these things for ages! Well we thank God for the internet that has helped us to expose all these lies and for us to know where we stand.

abduljabbar4:
I remember having a heated argument with someone because of this issue. A few months later, he was humbled. You people are considering the huge number of Christians there without accounting for the number of Muslims in there. The Christians in Northern Nigeria are probably not up to 30%

By the way, how dare you say that there are more Christians than Muslims in Samaru, Palladan and Wusasa? Are you for real or is it because they are substantial in number within those areas? Always making careless claims.

pazienza:
Nowenuse is an encyclopedia of Middle belt of Nigeria.
I always look forward to his threads. We had our issues initially, but I understand him better now.
I pray one day you achieve your aim of uniting the entire Middle belt and liberate your zone from the Caliphate grasp. An uphill task no doubt, but what is life without hope, and what has ever been achieved that was not worked for or first thought of? Not much.

Nowenuse:
Well, for those who would doubt, here are 2 ways you can estimate the true strong population of Northern christians in the 19 northern states.


1) USING MINORITY POPULATION

Northern minority ethnic groups (all ethnic groups in the north that are not Hausa or fulani) are predominantly christian. (65-70% Christian).

And among the 19 northern states, Northern minority ethnic groups dominate 10 states (Borno, Yobe, Taraba, Adamawa, Gombe, Niger, Plateau, Nasarawa, Benue & Kogi).
Hausa fulanis dominate 6 states (Kano, Zamfara, Jigawa, Katsina, Sokoto & Kebbi).
Yorubas dominate 1 (Kwara).
While 2 others (Bauchi & Kaduna) are about a 50-50 between minority groups & Hausa fulanis.
Bauchi is actually and originally a clearly minority dominated state, but a good number of these minorities who are muslims have been Hausanized and this is why it is best said to be a 50-50.

So, Hausas & fulanis combined are actually a minority in the north, if you put all the other minority groups together.
Now, If these minority groups put together have a majority population in the north and they are predominantly Christian, this clearly confirms the strong population of Christians in the north.

Among the over 200 ethnic groups that make up Northern minorities, only Kanuris-Shuwa Arabs, Ebiras, Nupe
-Kakandas, Bariba-Busas, Boghom and less than 10 ethnic groups in Bauchi-Yobe axis are predominantly muslims.
The overwhelming majority of the other approx 200 ethnic groups are overwhelmingly Christians with a significant minority of them who are a 50-50.

So the conclusion is

'Northern minority groups outnumber Hausa fulanis in the north and these same Northern minorities are predominantly Christian'.

senatordave1:


We cannot take your words or mere postulations over that of established bodies like the cia which has placed the population of hausas in the north at 40%-44%.it is not done.haba.yours has to be discarded please.fulanis plus hausas acvording to established demographics make up 60-65% of the north.we will stick with that please.this your attitude of counting large swathes of minorities in kebbi and sokoto but claim that they are no hsusas in the middle belt must stop please

TooMuchStuff:

Shallow thoughts

senatordave1:

Lets use the 2006 census and calculate.the north had 76 million.
Kwara 800,000 Christians
Niger 1. million
Nasarawa 1mil
Kogi. 1.5
Plateau 2.4
Benue 4 mil
Fct 1000
Borno 800k
Bauchi. 800k
Yobe. 400k
Adamawa 1.7mil
Taraba. 1.4 mil
Gombe. 700
Kano 1 mil
Katsina 500,000
Kaduna 3 mil
Jigawa 500
Kebbi. 900k
Sokoto 400k
Zamfara 400k


This is just over 23-24 million which means Christians are slightly over 30%.

Nowenuse:

My LGA of origin (Mangu) has by far the highest population of indigenes in Plateau state, yet we had to be merged with another LGA as one constituency, while Wase LGA which is not even up to half the population of my LGA is a constituency of it's own, just because they want a fulani man to have a permanent seat among the 8 federal representatives of my state.

This was a similar game they played in Kaduna state.

I wonder how our people were blind to these things for ages!

Subduer:

Are these figures GUESTIMATES ?

Nowenuse:


Are you saying that Fear of the future is stronger than the oppression of now? Have u heard of the saying that goes, "We will cross the bridge when we get to it?"

Do you believe that being oppressed by a retrogressive bunch of illiterates who has given you an identity of terrorism is better than being oppressed by an educated and progressive people?

Only cowards prefer their present condition of servitude because they are so much afraid of their future, forgetting that the future is in your hands and it becomes what u make of it.

I grew up in URHOBO land and to a large extent I am ashamed of what the region is. It's not as if I am ashamed of the region because it is worse than others, rather I am ashamed that the region is still where it is today considering the abundance of mineral resources and wealth you guys have.

As much as we middlebelt people are suffering injustice in Nigeria, Nigeria is still benefiting us to an extent. However it doesn't mean that we may not progress without Nigeria.

Look at Abuja and see the huge wealth in there. Same with Lagos. These 2 cities are a huge product and reflection of the wealth coming from your region.
If Nigeria divides today, none of these 2 cities with all the development in there are going with your people.
Warri is becoming a shadow of itself day by day.

Do you guys ever think that one day when oil becomes irrelevant, that your children and grandchildren will ask you what you people made of the immense oil wealth from your region when this oil was hotcake? What answers are you going to give them, when same children look at places like Dubai and see what they made out of theirs?

Nowenuse:

senatordave1:

Lets use the 2006 census and calculate.the north had 76 million.
Kwara 800,000 Christians
Niger 1. million
Nasarawa 1mil
Kogi. 1.5
Plateau 2.4
Benue 4 mil
Fct 1000
Borno 800k
Bauchi. 800k
Yobe. 400k
Adamawa 1.7mil
Taraba. 1.4 mil
Gombe. 700
Kano 1 mil
Katsina 500,000
Kaduna 3 mil
Jigawa 500
Kebbi. 900k
Sokoto 400k
Zamfara 400k

This is just over 23-24 million which means Christians are slightly over 30%.

Efewestern:


Chief I share in your sentiments, but our destiny isn't tied to any ethnic group, everyone should run their race, stop speaking like you know what's best for everyone, the feeling of superiority or no minority can achieve anything without me is getting stale, fight your middle belt battle and leave us to ours, your constant denial of our worries speaks a lot about your person.

@bolded, while must someone be oppressed? weather by illiterates or educated people, oppression isn't what any race or ethnicity should pray for, Tired of the back and forth argument, it's meaningless and it won't change anything.

Like I have said, focus your attention on your middle belt struggle, and stop assuming you know what's best for everyone, you have no single idea, you are probably suffering from inferiority complex and religious supremacy.

Nowenuse:


Are you saying that Fear of the future is stronger than the oppression of now? Have u heard of the saying that goes, "We will cross the bridge when we get to it?"

Do you believe that being oppressed by a retrogressive bunch of illiterates who has given you an identity of terrorism is better than being oppressed by an educated and progressive people?

Only cowards prefer their present condition of servitude because they are so much afraid of their future, forgetting that the future is in your hands and it becomes what u make of it.


I grew up in URHOBO land and to a large extent I am ashamed of what the region is. It's not as if I am ashamed of the region because it is worse than others, rather I am ashamed that the region is still where it is today considering the abundance of mineral resources and wealth you guys have.

As much as we middlebelt people are suffering injustice in Nigeria, Nigeria is still benefiting us to an extent. However it doesn't mean that we may not progress without Nigeria.

Look at Abuja and see the huge wealth in there. Same with Lagos. These 2 cities are a huge product and reflection of the wealth coming from your region.
If Nigeria divides today, none of these 2 cities with all the development in there are going with your people.
Warri is becoming a shadow of itself day by day.

Do you guys ever think that one day when oil becomes irrelevant, that your children and grandchildren will ask you what you people made of the immense oil wealth from your region when this oil was hotcake? What answers are you going to give them, when same children look at places like Dubai and see what they made out of theirs?

Subduer:

Your Generals were there .
They were there when Ebitu Ukiwe spoke up against Nigeria's membership of OIC, & your great WARRIOR GENERALS that CRUSHED Biafra said nothing.
Your lead General received Oil Wells & said nothing until Fulanis started killing his people, then he ran to America to request that Pres Trump come & save them, knowing that Americans won't fight & die to save UNTHINKING NIGGERS.

Zemani Lekwot should be leading this CONVERSATION if it's to be taken serious.

Ruggedniggaone:
rubbish yet el rufai won with Muslim Muslim ticket in Kaduna

dashpee:
sorry he never won the election, it was massively rig, maybe you are the rubbish

dashpee:
sorry he never won the election, it was massively rig, maybe you are the rubbish

Nowenuse:


Northern Christians have not been playing politics based on religion. It is northern muslims that have always been playing politics based on religion and that is why it is impossible to find a place that is muslim majority in the north and they elect a Christian as their political leader.
However, times without number, Muslims are elected in places that are overwhelmingly Christian.

E.g Ibrahim Nasiru Mantu (former deputy Senate president)was elected senator for 8 years in Plateau central senatorial district.

Are you aware that Plateau central is 80% Christian?

The first senator of Taraba south (in 1999) was also a muslim, is Taraba south a muslim majority zone?

The former senator of Adamawa south was was a muslim. Is Adamawa south Muslim majority?

In the just concluded elections in Gombe south. The Christian APC candidate won the muslim PDP candidate with a very tiny margin.
The last 2 house of reps representing Gombe south were muslims.

Now tell me, is Gombe south a muslim majority zone?


Christians have always been voting for muslims even in Places were muslims are a small minority, but muslims will never vote for Christians unless they are a minority in such places.

So, I repeat, only a big foool will judge Northern Nigeria's population based on the religions of their political leaders. That would only have been possible if the Christians had been playing religious politics from the beginning. However facts have shown that this is not the case.

Naajjii:


[b]What you have is what you get and that is what you current get, religion and political leadership is a reflection of population in present day Nigeria.Anyone that denies that is a big fool like you mentione[/b]d. That is even reflected on the national level, it has to be Muslim present and Christian vice or Christian president and Muslim vice. And that is what you have presently in the north 16 muslims Governors against 3 christians. Nassarawa state is the only state that a christian can win in the future because the population there is even other than that it will continue to be what it is, unless nature decides like the case of Kaduna and Adamawa when both Atiku and Nnamadi became vice and their deputies had to be upgraded.
Last time you mentioned Kogi state, go and check the records all the past Governors especially the Igalas where christians have a chance, that have ruled or the leading candidates are all Muslims because the moment a christian got any of the tickets the chances of such candidate is very slims.
Has any muslim been able to Govern Plateau or Taraba? the answer is no because christians are the majorities it is the same situation in other states.

Having said that, I keep repeating you are not from the north as you have been claiming , you are one of those IPOB member or sympathizers who feel the north was responsible for the civil situation and has been trying hard to spread falsehood and propaganda. Better engage yourself on how to convince those minorities from south south to join you on your Biafra dream that way it will be easier for you to achieve Biafra but the problem is those minorities see you people as fraudulent just like you have been on the forum.

Nowenuse:


Why don't you disprove it with your superior facts or keep quiet?

senatordave1:

The bolded is very crucial and the biggest decider.the largest tribe in nasarawa is eggon and they are mostly christians so i can agree that christians are more.i would really like to get the percentage in nasarawa and adamawa.