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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 9:47pm On Apr 03, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


You are paying for all that weaponry I hope? grin Oil price is crashing and the global economy will likely suffer a recession. Nigeria is already broke and spends too much servicing its debts. Where will the money to buy all these future weapons come from please?
By the way, have you heard of something called urgent need? When you meet a farmer dying of starvation, do you give him a bag of eba and sugar to use in drinking garri, or do you give him a bucket of seeds and farming implements and tell him to plant, grow his farm and eat to his fill when his plants mature in 3 to 4 months?
The strategic plan sounds nice, but it should be flexible to take account of and accommodate present and future needs.
we aren't buying all at once I didn't say that aren't u seeing they way NAF buys her platforms...
Read my post again
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 10:54pm On Apr 03, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


I really don't understand your last quote. The Tamils were defeated on the battlefield by the most brutal methods known to man. They have been quite since. Are they quite because they were military defeated by the Sri Lankan army, or are they quiet because they recognize their defeat and know that another insurrection would see them completely wiped off the map as a race and as a people?

No offense you don't understand because u can't understand . As simple as that . Isn't it ?

( And that is equally applicable to me and anybody else here , u r definitely not alone bro )


When I read these 7 words


The Tamils were defeated on the battlefield

I stopped reading the rest because u definitely don't have a clue as to what actually happened.

Let me give a analogy

When a person shits his pants every 15 minutes or so.

Any general person will say the man is suffering from dysentery.

A doctor will possibly come to the same conclusion but not always.

But does that make us doctors ?

We the general population make our judgements based on generalized perceptions / narrative with which we r familiar or which is fed to us or to with which we r receptive.

But the doctor makes his judgements based on his knowledge and training. He can identify even the exceptions.

Clueless / biased / ill motivated / etc people pen narratives in media which we the people due to our own clueless / biased / ill motivated / etc self , knowingly or unknowingly further it, untill it becomes widespread and then the norm . It's a vicious cycle.

I hope u get what I am trying to say.

Anyways to u r credit that's the best question I had put to me in a long time in nairaland.

I was hoping somebody would ask about Afghanistan situation in the context of what I wrote , but u did better by mentioning LTTE.

I will later tell u what actually happened

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 11:03pm On Apr 03, 2020
nemesis8u:


No offense you don't understand because u can't understand . As simple as that . Isn't it ?

( And that is equally applicable to me and anybody else here , u r definitely not alone bro )


When I read these 7 words



I stopped reading the rest because u definitely don't have a clue as to what actually happened.

Let me give a analogy

When a person shits his pants every 15 minutes or so.

Any general person will say the man is suffering from dysentery.

A doctor will possibly come to the same conclusion but not always.

But does that make us doctors ?

We the general population make our judgements based on generalized perceptions / narrative with which we r familiar or which is fed to us or to with which we r receptive.

But the doctor makes his judgements based on his knowledge and training. He can identify even the exceptions.

Clueless / biased / ill motivated / etc people pen narratives in media which we the people due to our own clueless / biased / ill motivated / etc self , knowingly or unknowingly further it, untill it becomes widespread and then the norm . It's a vicious cycle.

I hope u get what I am trying to say.

Anyways to u r credit that's the best question I had put to me in a long time in nairaland.

I was hoping somebody would ask about Afghanistan situation in the context of what I wrote , but u did better by mentioning LTTE.

I will later tell u what actually happened


Ok Doctor. Kindly ignore my earlier question since the LTTE weren't pulverized into non-existence.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 11:09pm On Apr 03, 2020
GabrielYulaw:


Ok Doctor. Kindly ignore my earlier question since the LTTE weren't pulverized into non-existence.

grin grin grin

Yeah that's definitely another way to conclude the discussion . I don't mind .

But nevertheless I will post my reply for others , they will judge for themselves wink

Just a appetizer grin

During the late 80s the Sri lankan government and army was busy supplying arms and money to LTTE , the same LTTE against whom they were fighting . Ironical isn't it ?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 2:47am On Apr 04, 2020
Uncle Kim says

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 2:48am On Apr 04, 2020
shocked

grin

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Shaytun: 9:39am On Apr 04, 2020
The Akure explosion

Do you guys still believe an IED can cause this

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by remi1444: 11:33am On Apr 04, 2020
nemesis8u:


grin grin grin

Yeah that's definitely another way to conclude the discussion . I don't mind .

But nevertheless I will post my reply for others , they will judge for themselves wink

Just a appetizer grin

During the late 80s the Sri lankan government and army was busy supplying arms and money to LTTE , the same LTTE against whom they were fighting . Ironical isn't it ?



Did you study history in school?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kikuyu1(m): 1:52pm On Apr 04, 2020
ecomog1990:


Nig. Army needs fleets of fit for CT-COIN small size night combat capable tanks before ISWAP kill us finish with RPG barrage, 100 fired against one single NA unit ! Also true NA needs 30mm or 25mm gunner IFV fleets to kill insurgents' vehicle forces after tanks absorb frontal attack heavy fires from the enemy. APCs not needed if NA upgrades our MRAP and Up-Armoured Toyota Land Cruiser 4WD all to arm up 14.5mm guns, air-mobile QRF units, and long range-high endurance light patrols to dominate all high risk Nigerian territories N.E to N.W. and for terrains too soft for tanks or IFVs ride.

ATGM is like Nigerian Army is cursed by witchcraft not to buy them for use against BHT and ISWAP anti-aircraft gun trucks killing us daily.

Maj. Gen. Adeniyi's viral video is a big lesson for all Nigerians, he had NAF response CAS helicopter gunship engaging the enemy and yet the helicopter gunship could not eliminate dozens upon dozens of insurgent gun trucks in CQB and constant repeated waves of insurgents' attacks round the clock, that's where IFV fleet on ground is best solution to win on ground by staying 24/7 on ground carrying our soldiers into hot battle under armour protection and with 30mm or 25mm rapido fire cannons in support against these newly capable enemies very mobile on ground.

This war is again starting afresh, NA redeployed dozens of top brass officers to avoid sack of service chiefs demanded by frustrated citizens and angry law makers. True some big elites profiting money from this war are prolonging it, but true also, its because our president is not using his full powers brilliantly, to choose vital or key equipment and lead their procurement , meet with, sign contract, hand give payment cheques to fellow Presidents Putin and Jinping, then demand live videos of deliveries at sea port, air port, Borno frontline, as proof same major new equipment all arrived war zones. He appoints key commanders, fire any for average performance after setting high standard of performance for all frontline commanders.

Seeing President Deby of Chad carry 9mm side arm wear camo enter battle leading his army against ISWAP after 92 Chadian officers and men were KIA in few hours, I think Nigerian Army Chief of Staff should copy that and leave admin ceremonial works to lead his troops into battle, I think Lt. Gen. T.Y. Buratai should take over and lead that very same regiment Maj. Gen. Adeniyi led (before HQ redeployed him) and was hammered by insurgents with over 100 mortar shells, 100 RPG rockets, flanked by 15 x 2 gun trucks with AAA/HMG, and so let him be our army leader practically​ in battle, national duty calls, please show loyalty sir.

For P. M. Buhari now too old for the field, let him handle all major new army weapons procurement directly by himself, stop this buying of ineffective equipment prolonging this war, if he lacks modern procurement ideas, someone here mentioned that guy they call Beegeagle, I Googled his details, let President Buhari hire him as new procurement technical adviser, then I think we can hope to end this war in 24 months.

My 2 Kobo Suggestions.

Its not only the hardware,the AFVs,gunships and cannons lacking but the software, the mentality that guides formational tactical doctrine and everything else, the training and warfighting must change radically. Fyi,2010 platoon commanders should now be coy and battalion commanders.
I said it once and I reiterate: come to terms with BH for at least 2 to 3 years. In the interim bring back Eeben Barlow with a blank cheque to retrain the entire Inf. corps to a purpose built combat effective motorised formation anti BH formation with constant combat momentum. Anything else from what I've read not just here but in other forums would be a temporary band aid for arterial leg wounds.

This top down reassessment allowed Sri Lanka to finally defeat the LTTE. A Colonel,who began the war as a 2nd Lt. has a fascinating read.

In the final operation to defeat the Tigers, our professional military leadership and guidance, clear military aims, political leadership, and national will came together, shaping our military strength to meet our need. All three components of the Sri Lankan military's fighting power—conceptual, moral, and physical—had gone through rapid changes to prepare the forces to fight decisively against the LTTE
https://globalecco.org/the-sri-lankan-civil-war-a-personal-reminiscence-col-sylvester-perera-sri-lankan-army

A long read but worthwhile!
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kikuyu1(m): 3:16pm On Apr 04, 2020
nemesis8u:


No offense you don't understand because u can't understand . As simple as that . Isn't it ?

( And that is equally applicable to me and anybody else here , u r definitely not alone bro )


When I read these 7 words



I stopped reading the rest because u definitely don't have a clue as to what actually happened.

Let me give a analogy

When a person shits his pants every 15 minutes or so.

Any general person will say the man is suffering from dysentery.

A doctor will possibly come to the same conclusion but not always.

But does that make us doctors ?

We the general population make our judgements based on generalized perceptions / narrative with which we r familiar or which is fed to us or to with which we r receptive.

But the doctor makes his judgements based on his knowledge and training. He can identify even the exceptions.

Clueless / biased / ill motivated / etc people pen narratives in media which we the people due to our own clueless / biased / ill motivated / etc self , knowingly or unknowingly further it, untill it becomes widespread and then the norm . It's a vicious cycle.

I hope u get what I am trying to say.

Anyways to u r credit that's the best question I had put to me in a long time in nairaland.

I was hoping somebody would ask about Afghanistan situation in the context of what I wrote , but u did better by mentioning LTTE.

I will later tell u what actually happened


Am eagerly waiting!
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by GabrielYulaw(m): 3:23pm On Apr 04, 2020
nemesis8u:


grin grin grin

Yeah that's definitely another way to conclude the discussion . I don't mind .

But nevertheless I will post my reply for others , they will judge for themselves wink

Just a appetizer grin

During the late 80s the Sri lankan government and army was busy supplying arms and money to LTTE , the same LTTE against whom they were fighting . Ironical isn't it ?


I'm sorry but there's not much in the world that's still ironic. As of the present, Syrian Arab Army personnel regularly sell arms and other supplies to the insurgents they are supposed to be fighting. That too happens in Afghanistan, but probably on a smaller scale.
Also in Syria, Kurds allied with Turkey to defeat Daesh, before the two sides turned on each other like petulant school girls.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by kikuyu1(m): 3:33pm On Apr 04, 2020
komekn:
Topic for discussion and question.

Quite recently well last 18 months a lot of talk went into the procurement from the USA of 12 Super Tucano A29 light attach aircraft.

Cost of procurement for 12 aircraft $600 million.

It's been presented by quite a few as the game charger we need in the SE to completely turn the tide in this seemingly never ending war.

Is this " best value " and best use of our very limited resources for the greatest impact and best outcome delivery
.

If you do agree why ❓ and if you don't what would be your alternative procurement model and or approach.

The cost incl. entire life cycle maintenance, spares, a simulator and ordnance which really isn't bad, tbh.
However the 4 year wait isn't the best use of scant resources . Frogfoot FAC, flyaway cost is 25 mn USD, annual flight cost 3.3 mn USD .
[url][/http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/-light-attack--training-aircraft.html]

A squadron of 12, with 2 for training presumably to be found within 6 months would allow for a proper ops/maintainance and training cycle. Fyi, rebuilds are available.Allowing for an 80% flight availability that 600mn USD would last 3 years.
Frogfoots are tailor made for CAS, heavily armoured and faster than gunships they carry max load of 6 T twice as much as L59s or Alphas.
A pair with proper on ground target ID could devastate beseiging BH technicals in one pass.

Edit: this Su 25 was hit by an Igla during the Georgian arse whipping. It flew again and ISN'T the only one to be rebuilt. How many jets can take a hit like that and still fly?
Here's why:
Thus, the pilot of the Su-25 benefited from an “armored bathtub”—ten to twenty-five millimeters of armor plating that wrapped around the cockpit and even padded the pilot’s headrest. It also had armored fuel tanks and redundant control schemes to increase the likelihood of surviving a hit
[url][/https://nationalinterest.org/feature/russias-10-warthog-why-the-su-25-frogfoot-flying-tank-17499]

WHO HERE THINKS AN L59/39,ALPHA OR EVEN A WARTHOG CAN SURVIVE SUCH A HIT!?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by yoged(m): 5:32pm On Apr 04, 2020
Saw this

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by komekn(m): 5:35pm On Apr 04, 2020
yoged:
Saw this

Interesting however, l wonder where them run go.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 6:20pm On Apr 04, 2020
komekn:


Interesting however, l wonder where them run go.
Me too probably into Nigeria,Niger or Cameroon
Pls one question The Reaper Drones France and The US deployed around us(Niger Cameroon)
Including Rafael jets and Mirage 2000 in Chad.
What are they there for? They have been of no help whatsoever since they came..
Sh*t just Gat worse....
Now Chad is claiming they've rid the island of terrorists which I know they did very well cos those guys are brutal Dem nor get joy at all but Not the whole lake Chad GA
those guys are definitely coming back and tough
Until their supply and recruit line is cut definitely those guys won't stop.....

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by AskiaHarem(m): 6:41pm On Apr 04, 2020
Fellow Africans I've come with some unsurprising yet puzzling news. As many of us know a day or two ago French docters went live on tv and debated using Africa as a Guinea Pig for disease experimentation and vaccine testing. The Democratic Republic of Congo has become the first African nation to officially announce that they will be taking part in these experiments.


[url] https://www.news24.com/Africa/News/dr-congo-prepared-to-take-part-in-vaccine-testing-official-20200404 [/url]

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by yoged(m): 11:11pm On Apr 04, 2020
The Tchadian are doing well.I learn the lake chad area is ubder their control

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Xbee007(m): 7:01am On Apr 05, 2020
yoged:
The Tchadian are doing well.I learn the lake chad area is ubder their control
They store their weapon cache and other valuables underground so all those bombing run from air are not that effective.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 7:04am On Apr 05, 2020
komekn:


Interesting however, l wonder where them run go.

From what i heard they were sighted moving in large convoys from Doron Baga and crossed from Kukawa to Gudzamala last week.

The Military in Gubio and Damasak were on red alert thinking ISWAP would strike.

They might have crossed to even Borno Central.

Well make them no attack Monguno embarassed

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 7:12am On Apr 05, 2020
yoged:
The Tchadian are doing well.I learn the lake chad area is ubder their control

Sincerely Chadians Soldiers got so much morale. I have met some of them in Monguno and Naganzai. Lemme me don't praise them much in order not to look patriotic.

The Last time ISWAP came to Monguno in January around 5pm dancing at our popular round about screaming that the Army should Come out. Sincerely if it was last year when the Chadians were around ISWAP will not come out so openly in that manner.

Tho the Chadians too are quite careless from my little observation. Here in Monguno you will see a Chadian Land cruiser with a mounted gun and no Gunner controlling it, while the driver drives around. I have never see a Nigeria Hilux mounted with an AA With no Nigerian Soldier behind

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by lebuhsi(m): 7:43am On Apr 05, 2020
yoged:
The Tchadian are doing well.I learn the lake chad area is ubder their control
Pic 3 has set them back for atleast 2 years, now it's Nigeria's armed forces imperative to sustain this and wipe them out, yeah,, this is what happens when you got the Chadians onboard

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 7:46am On Apr 05, 2020
lebuhsi:

Pic 3 has set them back for atleast 2 years, now it's Nigeria's armed forces imperative to sustain this and wipe them out, yeah,, this is what happens when you got the Chadians onboard
The ops was joint ops

The Air Task Force of Operation Lafiya Dole (OPLD) and Artillery Batteries of Sector 3 of the Multi-National Joint Task Force (MNJTF) have destroyed an Islamic State of West Africa Province (ISWAP) camp at Tumbun Fulani on the fringes of Lake Chad in Northern Borno.

The Acting Director, Defence Media Operations, Brig.-Gen. Bernard Onyeuko, disclosed this in a statement on Saturday in Abuja.

Onyeuko said the feat was achieved in combined air and artillery bombardments conducted on April 3.

He said it was in furtherance of the coordinated joint offensive by the MNJTF to dislodge and completely rid the Tumbuns Islands of terrorists’ presence and activities.

According to him, the operation was executed on the heels of credible intelligence reports indicating that the ISWAP elements, with their structures concealed under the dense vegetation of the area, used the settlement as a base from where they plan and launch attacks.

“Accordingly, the joint interdiction mission was launched with a Nigerian Air Force (NAF) Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) aircraft coordinating the barrage of artillery and air fire towards designated targets in the settlement, destroying them and neutralising some of the ISWAP fighters in the process,” he said.

Onyeuko also disclosed that the Air Task Force has continued to provide airlift support to troops of participating MNJTF national contingents, along with their logistics.

He added that NAF ISR platforms and helicopters were also providing aerial command posts for enhanced coordination of close air support missions as well as fire control support for independent ground artillery bombardment of terrorists’ positions.

The spokesperson reassured that the armed forces would sustain the offensive against the enemies of Nigeria in furtherance of the objective of restoring peace and security in the North East region.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 7:48am On Apr 05, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:


Sincerely Chadians Soldiers got so much morale. I have met some of them in Monguno and Naganzai. Lemme me don't praise them much in order not to look patriotic.

The Last time ISWAP came to Monguno in January around 5pm dancing at our popular round about screaming that the Army should Come out. Sincerely if it was last year when the Chadians were around ISWAP will not come out so openly in that manner.

Tho the Chadians too are quite careless from my little observation. Here in Monguno you will see a Chadian Land cruiser with a mounted gun and no Gunner controlling it, while the driver drives around. I have never see a Nigeria Hilux mounted with an AA With no Nigerian Soldier behind
Yeah that's one thing about the chadian military.. They've got high morale..
That's one thing our military lack Army to be precise.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 7:49am On Apr 05, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:


Sincerely Chadians Soldiers got so much morale. I have met some of them in Monguno and Naganzai. Lemme me don't praise them much in order not to look patriotic.

The Last time ISWAP came to Monguno in January around 5pm dancing at our popular round about screaming that the Army should Come out. Sincerely if it was last year when the Chadians were around ISWAP will not come out so openly in that manner.

Tho the Chadians too are quite careless from my little observation. Here in Monguno you will see a Chadian Land cruiser with a mounted gun and no Gunner controlling it, while the driver drives around. I have never see a Nigeria Hilux mounted with an AA With no Nigerian Soldier behind
The army cannot just come out and start engaging them it's a death trap surely ISWAP was trying to lure the army into their nest and open fire then you'll hear 20 soilders killed in ambush.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Toju200(m): 7:51am On Apr 05, 2020
I heard Israeli Airforce aided the operation for chadian By mapping the whole Lake Chad area.. before the operation...

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by jpphilips(m): 7:56am On Apr 05, 2020
BlackBaron:

Reverse engineering is more difficult than it sounds. Only few countries (US, China, Russia and ~) have successfully reverse engineered 'high tech'. You need to have lots of advanced industries and research institutes at your disposal for a start.
Its better to start production under licence, then learn from that.

Iran also
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by lebuhsi(m): 8:07am On Apr 05, 2020
How do so called 'Amirs' evade air raids or capture?...those fukers build bonkers shocked!

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by lebuhsi(m): 8:11am On Apr 05, 2020
Toju200:
I heard Israeli Airforce aided the operation for chadian By mapping the whole Lake Chad area.. before the operation...
Yes,bro

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Salatavor: 8:45am On Apr 05, 2020
SamuelAnyawu:


From what i heard they were sighted moving in large convoys from Doron Baga and crossed from Kukawa to Gudzamala last week.

The Military in Gubio and Damasak were on red alert thinking ISWAP would strike.

They might have crossed to even Borno Central.

Well make them no attack Monguno embarassed
how shameful, so while Chad was conducting this offensive the military was still waiting for BH to strike? Is there anyone of you here that still enjoy talking about the Nigerian Armed forces cus I sincerely don't. They were waiting for BH to strike? When they were supposed to be cutting down terrorist escaping from the Islands.

And then we have harrowing images of our soldiers promising harm on civilians.

And we see Generals complaining about equipments which we have been doing here for years, it today that we started clamouring against depending on soft skinned vehicle for this war.

Too many excuses have been given to explain incompetence in the Nigerian armed forces but Idris just made it clear that the war against BH is not necessary an expensive war, it is basically a war that can be won with determination, resolution and this clearly isn't the aim of the Nigerian side, the aim of the Nigerian side is to milk as much as possible from the war.

Dumb online generals giving excuses for incompetence and comparing BH to the larger global terror network really don't know what they are doing. BH is locally funded, locally supplied and locally sustained. We are not fighting a war against BH we are just defending ourselves and looting ourselves that is why BH is winning.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Salatavor: 8:48am On Apr 05, 2020
lebuhsi:

Yes,bro
so is this a capability that Nigeria does not have? We have satellites we have the Marine surveillance planes. We have very expensive foreign trained special forces whose specialty is now reduced to National guard duties and looking for old women to rape and infect with sickness.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by SamuelAnyawu(m): 8:48am On Apr 05, 2020
Toju200:
The army cannot just come out and start engaging them it's a death trap surely ISWAP was trying to lure the army into their nest and open fire then you'll hear 20 soilders killed in ambush.

Lure? They came into the main town and the Barracks is right inside the main town.
ISWAP came in 13 gun trucks to attack a Nigeria military location with over 100 gun trucks. Let me don't mention MRAPs and others.

My Brother that place was around 800 meters from the round about. to the barracks with over 2000 soldiers. The Killed some soldiers at the checkpoint called "Charlie1" That is the major Gate into Monguno manned by over 50 soldiers. The Soldiers had to abandon and flee.

The Army fired Artillery, which instead were dropping inside the community. Well let me don't go deep into this misfiring.

That was the day I almost lost hope in our Military. Our Military sincerely ain't motivated.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Salatavor: 8:52am On Apr 05, 2020
Toju200:
Yeah that's one thing about the chadian military.. They've got high morale..
That's one thing our military lack Army to be precise.
you know why yo military got low morale? Cus as you ride to the face of darkness you know a fat guy is looting funds meant for you somewhere and that your family might just lost you to a war you are poorly equipped for because of the greedy intent of someone else, isn't that depressing enough.

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