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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 3:52pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Raumdeuter, you're far too smart to bring such comparisons The question you should ask is Is this supposed falsehood working for them? If yes, how is that our headache? People like Ibukun Awosika, and very enlightened Nigerians go to these pastors, worship on their churches, pay tithes and tell you it works. To them, they attribute their success and prosperity to their tithe paying and obedience to their "GOD" How is this related to what Yahoo boys do? 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:54pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
The pastors are collecting physical cash and getting rich but they will tell their audience to believe in spiritual blessing Why can't the pastor wait for the spiritual blessing and not physical cash? Its a natural law that when many people contribute money to one person, that person gets richer Test your pastor, when its time for tithe, give him the same words and blessing he gave you not cash If its very valuable they will take the blessings and not the cash 11 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 3:56pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
izzou: There are people who don't know what is working for them Some people will tell you eating shiit cured them of disease All those Ibukun are all part of the system to sell. Its an economy and none of them will cast. I know many billionaires who never dropped and are blessed Blessing come from your hardwork not from tithing just like no prayer can make you pass an Arabic exam Many people will swear tithing and prayer made them pass exam. Do you really believe anyone will pass an exam you didn't prepare for 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 4:04pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: And I know billionaires that attribute their success to God Dangote, Maduka, and a lot of others attend churches and mosques, and they believe whatever works for them. So we can agree that they all are confused, and don't know what works for them? There are people who believe that when they give alms, they receive it back. Does that mean they are being defrauded? Or that they are stupid and confused? Yes, I agree that some pastors are fake. At least this Covid-19 is revealing that. But because you don't believe in something doesn't make it false People pay millions as tithes. And to them, it's what's elevating them. You and I don't know them better than they know themselves. 11 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 4:08pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Ok. We should replace the word offering with tithe. Are you against offering too? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:18pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
diggz: If offering is to help the less privileged in the society I believe in that But if giving is in expectation of some increase, then its a scam just like giving 100k to MMM to get 10million back 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 4:19pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Ibime: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful unclothedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 4:19pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Why would you think the pastors don't pay tithe themselves? Also, I honestly don't get how you can take a loan and pay tithe from it. Tithe is meant to be paid from your income. The concept of tithes and what loans represent are almost like opposite of each other. For the records, I also believe that paying tithe to expect some sort of financial reward in return is nonsense. I have not paid any since my teenage years and even then, the concept of tithes have never made sense to me. I still remember how a visitor will come and give me N100 naira, Dad will collect it and give me N10 naira to pay as tithe. I'll simply put my hands in my pocket, leave the money behind and put the empty hand in the offering basket. The N10 naira will be spent judiciously on biscuits and sweets. Where I disagree with you is when you compared the pastors to fraudsters. I think that's a stretch. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:23pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
izzou: You can put this to test. Remove that one variable which is tithing and see if they will not be rich and include that variable of tithe into a different person called John and see if John will become rich If you start paying tithe today and Dangote stops paying tithe, in 5yrs time will you be as rich as him? If you are not then it shows its not the tithe working but other things We have many atheist billionaires that have never given tithe. The first class student that claimed praying was why he passed, tell him to stop praying and the dullard to start praying like him and see if the dullard will make first class 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Singapore1(m): 4:24pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
izzou:she's a pastor herself .. more like mobile pastor |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Singapore1(m): 4:30pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
if you think you can make someone change his/her mind on public forum in respect to his/her believe, then you must be joking. the argument is pointless and won't lead to anywhere, this is not football matter or politics, you can't bring fact into this 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 4:33pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
APC v PDP ---> Naija v Chad ---> EPL all time XI ---> Super Eagle all time XI ---> Pastor v Imam ---> Tithe v Offering ---> Yahoo Yahoo v Pastor..... Of course with sprinkles of COVID-19 all over the place. What. A. Thread. ![]() ![]() ![]() 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:33pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
rationalmind: The Mmm scammer also invested in mmm not because he believed but to suck you in What is the difference with scammers? Both are selling hope or a product that they will not buy E.g go to a diamond store, offer them money for diamond they will take it, offer them diamond for money they will take it because they know both are valuable A football example, Barcelona wants Kante, they offer Chelsea money, chelsea will take it, they offer Chelsea Messi as exchange, Chelsea will take it. But what if they offer blessings in exchange for Kante? It sounds funny right? Go to a church tell the pastor to give you money in exchange for the exact type of blessing he gave you in exchange for your own money and watch his reaction 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 4:36pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
izzou:Leave baba e no Sabi spiritual things. Some people have left the realm of 10%, you are here crying. If someone tells them his tithe is up to %50 they'll screen blue murder. Make every man follow wetyn work for am. But there is a realm your hard work won't carry you to. Take it to the bank. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 4:39pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: You believe in offering to help the less privileged. ![]() Omg...you should've maintained the yahoo boy lines instead of dropping this bomb ![]() ![]() ![]() According to you; - Farmers sow to expect a decrease. - Your parents sent you to school so you can remain a child for life and not develop or grow. - You give your money to your financial advisers to manage so you can get same value you invested in return or a decrease. - When you fvck and put sperm inside those your oloshos, you expect them to reproduce sperm instead of a baby. Dayo abeg rest you hear ![]() ![]() 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:47pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
diggz: I see a poor woman on the street I don't have to be religious to want to help her And what payback will I be expecting from a beggar on the streets Is there any evidence that paying tithes to church bring increase? One of the criteria for plant to grow is to be in a soil One of the criteria to become educated is to go to a school One of the criteria for pregnancy is for semen to enter a woman How is tithing a criteria to be rich ? 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 4:49pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Givers never lack ![]() ![]() Maybe that little good is to make you feel happy for collecting your over bloated salary/ compensating for all the money you've spent on your oloshos. Maybe your intention is to get some peace of mind and not necessarily an increase in kudi ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 4:49pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: But if the first class student says it was prayers that aided him to make 4.5 CGPA, why do I have to dispute that? Is it every body that study hard that makes first class? Is it everyone that works hard that is a millionaire, talk more a billionaire? There are so many atheist billionaires, and there are so many religious billionaires. It's what is working for them.. And yes, if people give me money, I'll definitely become rich. The argument is not whether it makes the pastor rich or not. The argument is why they believe so 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:50pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
diggz: BS There are many givers who lack There are many who dont give that never lack. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 4:53pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
izzou: There is no evidence that connects giving to becoming rich People can believe anything, some people once believed the earth is flat and infidelity causes death For something universally true you dont even have to believe in it You dont have to believe in guns or even seen guns before for it to kill you 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 4:53pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
Singapore1: Ohh. Didn't know that So it must be very pathetic that someone as educated as that, at such a height, believes that tithing got her to where she is |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 4:53pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Lack money or lack peace of mind and happiness ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 4:55pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. 6 They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth. 8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9 But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone. A Final Charge to Timothy 10 You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, 11 persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. 12 In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13 while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, 15 and how from infancy you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 4:55pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Go ask those who are faithful in paying their tithes if it works for them or not. Abi which other evidence do you need? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 4:57pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: No evidence to you? Okay No evidence to them? Wrong They believe it happened to them, and that's their own beliefs and cup of tea Like I said, because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it's fault. And it's funny when I see people argue with others over their own experiences I don't believe in juju. Never seen it, never experienced it. But if someone tells me his life story concerning juju, I don't argue. Because I don't believe in it, doesn't entirely make it false. That's my point 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Singapore1(m): 4:58pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
izzou:nope, she just personally love giving to the church |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 4:59pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. 6 For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. 7 I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. 8 Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:02pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
diggz: Money is tangible and can be measured All those peace of mind and happiness cannot Anyone can claim without showing evidence thatbhe has peace of mind Lets stick to money 6 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:02pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
diggz: Remove tithes and add tithe to others will they be as successful If we have rich atheists who have never tithed then it blows away the theory |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 5:12pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
izzou: Believes are not always correct Some people believed twins were evil, were they right? Some people believed the earth is flat, were they right? Someone will argue it was the twins they had that caused them evil Some people in some places put a 6inch nail on the head of a 5yr old because he was sleep talking and they believed anyone sleep talking is a witch Anything based on beliefs and not reproducible tests in all scenarios is just conjecture Some things are not beliefs they are verified in all scenarios e.g put a loaded gun to head fire 10 times, Pour acid into base .. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 5:14pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
While I can't speak for all pastors, I must confess some of these new generation pastors are just pure hustlers wey dey hustle to hammer. I will give two examples that I know of. Case 1: Late Prophet Akinade ( CAC Lion of Judah) While I was still in secondary school, this man used to have a very small church at Okunola somewhere not too far from Egbeda. This man pays for 10 minutes airtime on Bond Fm then( The station was not named Bond FM then, I think it was Radio Nigeria). This man will preach, offer prayers for callers and give out his phone numbers within 10 minutes. At the tail end of the programme he will invite listeners to a special programme which starts 7am every Monday. I forgot to add the radio programme he does is between 5:50am and 6:00am. Like a true hustler this man will leave Shogunle, Ikeja once it's 6am and back to Egbeda to start his special service slated for 7am. How he does this and keeps to time I will never know, but I guess it's just the hustler's spirit. Before long hustle paid and this man bought a land in that same area he rented the little space he was using for service, he built a bigger church and built a much more bigger church in the heart of Oregon Ikeja. This man moved from buying 10 minutes airtime on some Yoruba radio station to using 3 solid hours on Saturdays on MITV. You need to see his long flowing Agbada. In short this man was made! He had it all, as in hustle pay no be small. He's late today and I wouldn't want to talk much about controversies surrounding his demise, but tgag man was an evidence that hustle pays. Case 2: Apostle Tom Samson( Christ Royal Family) This man in the early 2000's used to buy 5 minutes airtime on some 1 hour preaching programme packaged by MITV back then. If u watch terrestrial TV then, u will always see one man who is always sweaty in Military camouflage advertising special programmes and calling it " WAR!".....That man is Apostle Tom Samson. His church too was around Egbeda then. The way this man dey micro manage the 5 minutes airtime then ehn, nobody comes close not even the prophet mentioned above. Fast forward to present day , Apostle Tom Samson owns that fine green church building at Ikeja Along bus stop , owns a college of Education at Iyana Iyesi, ogún state and secondary and primary schools. The last time I was at Egbeda to see a friend, Apostle Tom Samson came around. In his convoy u could see a stretch Hummer, A Land cruiser and one other SUV. His police escorts had to stop other motorists while his driver tried to manauver the stretch Hummer to make a u-turn on a very narrow road. I say: "shuo! This hustle level dey pay o. The man doesn't get down from the stretch Hummer except a mini red carpet is laid just close to the open door. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 5:19pm On Apr 12, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Bill gates is the richest man in the world(I think) but he doesn't believe in God. Religious billionaires all over the world cannot smell his back In Nigeria, Dangote is the richest man. He is a Muslim. In fact, the billionaires in Nigeria (almost all) have some form of religion. They believe in a "God". They pray and give alms, probably tithe too. Yet no Atheist billionaire in Nigeria can smell their back So would I say our billionaires are stupid and confused for practicing religion? Or do I just conclude that whatever they do works for them, and I should just find and accept whatever works for me? |
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