raumdeuter:


Can we also say yahoo boys and fraudsters are blameless since they didn't put a gun to anybody's head to pay them?

And most of those defrauded are adults

Like religious leaders, A fraudster sells you falsehood to collect your money or blackmails you to collect the money

izzou:


Raumdeuter, you're far too smart to bring such comparisons

The question you should ask is

Is this supposed falsehood working for them?

If yes, how is that our headache?

People like Ibukun Awosika, and very enlightened Nigerians go to these pastors, worship on their churches, pay tithes and tell you it works. To them, they attribute their success and prosperity to their tithe paying and obedience to their "GOD"

How is this related to what Yahoo boys do?

raumdeuter:


There are people who don't know what is working for them

Some people will tell you eating shiit cured them of disease

All those Ibukun are all part of the system to sell. Its an economy and none of them will cast.

I know many billionaires who never dropped and are blessed

Blessing come from your hardwork not from tithing just like no prayer can make you pass an Arabic exam

raumdeuter:


The falsehood of saying by giving tithe is how you can become successful

Someone gave a tithe of 1million and got a contract of 1 billion

Conning the people

Just like a fraudster will say pay 1million as facilitation fees for a NNPC contract

diggz:


Ok. We should replace the word offering with tithe. Are you against offering too?

Ibime:


Oga, my wife and Children attend Church of England and I join them at times. We don't pay any tax. I've never heard any preaching about offering or tithe. If we put £5 inside collection plate make them take am like that. Na wetin most people dey put inside. If not for shame, na coins I go put inside sef.

Do you know any Catholic that pays a fixed percentage of their income?

Na only Pentecostals go dey talk tithe, some even carry first fruit add. I'm not talking just Naija, but Pentecostals everywhere, although our Naija ones take it to another level.

raumdeuter:


The church leader if he believed so will go to a bank collect a loan and use it to pay tithe to get that reward

It's similar to those MMM, drop 100k to get 1m. If it was sure you will not be hounding people for it but do it yourself.

There is no evidence that getting contract or becoming rich is tied to tithing because those who never tithed also became rich, just like no evidence that praying is why you pass an exam

izzou:


And I know billionaires that attribute their success to God

Dangote, Maduka, and a lot of others attend churches and mosques, and they believe whatever works for them. So we can agree that they all are confused, and don't know what works for them?

There are people who believe that when they give alms, they receive it back. Does that mean they are being defrauded? Or that they are stupid and confused?

Yes, I agree that some pastors are fake. At least this Covid-19 is revealing that. But because you don't believe in something doesn't make it false

People pay millions as tithes. And to them, it's what's elevating them. You and I don't know them better than they know themselves.

izzou:


Raumdeuter, you're far too smart to bring such comparisons

The question you should ask is

Is this supposed falsehood working for them?

If yes, how is that our headache?

People like Ibukun Awosika, and very enlightened Nigerians go to these pastors, worship on their churches, pay tithes and tell you it works. To them, they attribute their success and prosperity to their tithe paying and obedience to their "GOD"

How is this related to what Yahoo boys do?

rationalmind:


Where I disagree with you is when you compared the pastors to fraudsters. I think that's a stretch.

izzou:


And I know billionaires that attribute their success to God

Dangote, Maduka, and a lot of others attend churches and mosques, and they believe whatever works for them. So we can agree that they all are confused, and don't know what works for them?

There are people who believe that when they give alms, they receive it back. Does that mean they are being defrauded? Or that they are stupid and confused?

Yes, I agree that some pastors are fake. At least this Covid-19 is revealing that. But because you don't believe in something doesn't make it false

People pay millions as tithes. And to them, it's what's elevating them. You and I don't know them better than they know themselves.

raumdeuter:


If offering is to help the less privileged in the society I believe in that

But if giving is in expectation of some increase, then its a scam just like giving 100k to MMM to get 10million back

diggz:


You believe in offering to help the less privileged.

Omg...you should've maintained the yahoo boy lines instead of dropping this bomb

According to you;

- Farmers sow to expect a decrease.
- Your parents sent you to school so you can remain a child for life and not develop or grow.
- You give your money to your financial advisers to manage so you can get same value you invested in return or a decrease.
- When you fvck and put sperm inside those your oloshos, you expect them to reproduce sperm instead of a baby.

Dayo abeg rest you hear

raumdeuter:


I see a poor woman on the street I don't have to be religious to want to help her

And what payback will I be expecting from a beggar on the streets

raumdeuter:


You can put this to test.

Remove that one variable which is tithing and see if they will not be rich and include that variable of tithe into a different person called John and see if John will become rich

If you start paying tithe today and Dangote stops paying tithe, in 5yrs time will you be as rich as him?
If you are not then it shows its not the tithe working but other things

We have many atheist billionaires that have never given tithe.

The first class student that claimed praying was why he passed, tell him to stop praying and the dullard to start praying like him and see if the dullard will make first class

diggz:



Givers never lack

izzou:


But if the first class student says it was prayers that aided him to make 4.5 CGPA, why do I have to dispute that?

Is it every body that study hard that makes first class?

Is it everyone that works hard that is a millionaire, talk more a billionaire?

There are so many atheist billionaires, and there are so many religious billionaires. It's what is working for them..

And yes, if people give me money, I'll definitely become rich. The argument is not whether it makes the pastor rich or not.

The argument is why they believe so

Singapore1:

she's a pastor herself .. more like mobile pastor

raumdeuter:


BS

There are many givers who lack

There are many who dont give that never lack.

raumdeuter:


I see a poor woman on the street I don't have to be religious to want to help her

And what payback will I be expecting from a beggar on the streets

Is there any evidence that paying tithes to church bring increase?

One of the criteria for plant to grow is to be in a soil
One of the criteria to become educated is to go to a school
One of the criteria for pregnancy is for semen to enter a woman

How is tithing a criteria to be rich ?

raumdeuter:


There is no evidence that connects giving to becoming rich

People can believe anything, some people once believed the earth is flat and infidelity causes death

izzou:


Ohh. Didn't know that

So it must be very pathetic that someone as educated as that, at such a height, believes that tithing got her to where she is

diggz:


Lack money or lack peace of mind and happiness lack what exactly ogbeni?

diggz:


Go ask those who are faithful in paying their tithes if it works for them or not. Abi which other evidence do you need?

izzou:


No evidence to you? Okay
No evidence to them? Wrong

They believe it happened to them, and that's their own beliefs and cup of tea

Like I said, because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it's fault. And it's funny when I see people argue with others over their own experiences

I don't believe in juju. Never seen it, never experienced it. But if someone tells me his life story concerning juju, I don't argue.

Because I don't believe in it, doesn't entirely make it false. That's my point

raumdeuter:


Believes are not always correct

Some people believed twins were evil, were they right?
Some people believed the earth is flat, were they right?

Someone will argue it was the twins they had that caused them evil

Some people in some places put a 6inch nail on the head of a 5yr old because he was sleep talking and they believed anyone sleep talking is a witch

Anything based on beliefs and not reproducible tests in all scenarios is just conjecture