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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 2:06pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: eeyah... You obviously can't connect words ... I see the oftrepeated Benin fear for reading. Having already mentionied too much Jokes in relation to Abdominal Pains, you still demanded clarifications and spoonfeeding to know that Jokes induce Laughter which, if too much, causes abdominal pains?? ?? Wow!! I'm gradually loosing hope on "Binihumanity". Anyways, the spoonfeeding is now ready. Go and see one more time (hopefully for the last time). 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 2:08pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: You had to go on repitition spree having debunked your reasoning. Lol. Anyways, what happened to your 18 summary points! :- |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 2:11pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: You can now get it that the joke in on you for not realising the joke in my joke. On a more honest note and jokes apart, I really need to see Metaphysical work Babaramota so praised. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 2:12pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: Lets see the ife artwork that date 1060.... |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 2:33pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
gregyboy: Hahaha: see another cop-out. So that the picture can continously scream I am 1060 ... I am 1060 ... I am 1060 ?? ?? He initially claimed no such dating of an Ife art work exist. But as soon as the link (to the thread where the journal was attached) was provided. The music changed to ... oya let me see the picture of the artwork. Anyways, if an academic peer-reviewed journal article published in The Journal of African History publishes the dating of some Ife artefact going back to the year c.1060 we know it's so. We sane and stable people don't have any reason to trust gregyboy and forsake scholars. And we don't wait for pictures to talk. That sounds to me like some imagination of fiction. See reference one more time to the journal article that published the result: D. Calvocoressi & Nicholas David: "A New Survey of Radiocarbon and Thermoluminescence Dates for West Africa", The Journal of African History, Vol. 20, No. 1 (1979), p. 18. See also link to the specific comment where you were flogged and where I attached the relevant page of the journal article: https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/5#81612380 |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 2:39pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: Lol.. u just killed 3 Yoruba birds with one stone |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 2:40pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
davidnazee:https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/29#88396588 |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 2:47pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: Why are you all trying to steal my lines -- either by direct lifting as gregyboy was caught red-handed doing yesterday, or by 'garnishing' it slightly? ? ? ? Why ? Why ? Why ? Why ? I am crying!!!!! |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 3:13pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: Without even knowing it, you are terribly in love with Benin. When the Benins revealed that they were exploring Benin relationship with the Niger Benue confluence area, you immediately reminded them that Ife used to be in that area, you even stated that there is a town there called Ife. You unwittingly claimed that the Yorubas came from the same area. I said wow, this babe is ready to move her almighty Ife in Osun state to Kogi state in other to show that the Ife the Benin are looking for was in Kogi. She is out to claim Benin for Ife by fire by force. You can only see the pain in Babaramota's reply when he read that the Benin are questioning the Benin/Ife relationship. Metaphysical hasn't been himself since and TAO11 is ready to move her Ife to anywhere the Benin looks. The Yoruba love and obsession with Benin is something else. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 3:22pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: Nope! Another lie. I never told that to any Benin who was trying to live in Ryder (1965)'s past which has been trashed by scholars. Rather, I was in fact telling that to my Yoruba brother who tried to bring it up, that he needn't go that far. And that was the first and only time I alluded to it despite knowing it as a fact. I challenge you to point out where I had any such discussion with a Benin. Lair And the point was not that the Yoruba people descended from the Igala people (to correct your deliberate twisting), No! --- It's the other other way round. Guys wait oo, wait oo ... Is what I'm asking for too much that you all should stop lying?? Is it too much to ask from Binis?? ?? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 3:25pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: My broda their obsession is out of this world. It’s driving them crazy. Yoruba cannot tell their history without mentioning Benin. Any Yoruba stories must always include Benin. Their attempts to attach themselves to greatness has driven them mad. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 3:31pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
davidnazee: Your "broda" is a LIAR. https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained/30#88399951 |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 3:38pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
davidnazee: Come to think of it, how would they be able to tell their history without Benin and afford not fighting themselves or reigniting old animosities. Benin is the way they prevent themselves from retelling the history of how they used to kill themselves. Take Benin out of their history, you begin to hear how 1. Modakeke once sacked their almighty Ife. 2. How Ibadan conquered and enslaved follow Yorubas and sold them to the white man. 3. How Oyo once sacrificed other Yorubas to their gods. 4. Fights over disjointed versions of their history. So they desperately need Benin to avoid retelling these tales. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 3:41pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: I swear |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 3:43pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: gregyboy: In their joint work, viz. "Civil War in the Kingdom of Benin, 1689-1721: Continuity or Political Change?", Paula Ben-Amos Girshick and John Thornton writes: "Towards the end of the seventeenth century, a number of European observers noted that the Edo Kingdom of Benin had been racked for some years by civi war. One of the longest accounts, that of David van Nyendael, reported that as a result of this civil war, Benin City had been sacked and in his day ("1699 -1701" ) was reduced to a 'mere village'. Apparently beginning shortly before 1690, the civil war stretched on well into the eighteenth century." Paula Ben-Amos Girshick and John Thornton, "Civil War in the Kingdom of Benin, 1689-1721: Continuity or Political Change?", Journal of African History, 42 (2001), pp.353-354. cc: nisai MetaPhysical 4 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 3:47pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: You are only confirming your obsession with Benin to hide your own civil wars including the wars other brought to you. Yoruba and their Fulani conquerors would be an interesting history. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 3:54pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: We never denied internal conflict. Even the Fulani fight was internal between a Yoruba army that aligned himself with them to help fight his own people. The fact that you often bring Yoruba internal crisis may give everyone the impression that Benin did not have civil war. Yes Benin did have civil war. A civil war that was so bad that Benin was reduced to a mere village. "Towards the end of the seventeenth century, a number of European observers noted that the Edo Kingdom of Benin had been racked for some years by civi war. One of the longest accounts, that of David van Nyendael, reported that as a result of this civil war, Benin City had been sacked and in his day ("1699 -1701" ) was reduced to a 'mere village'. Apparently beginning shortly before 1690, the civil war stretched on well into the eighteenth century." Paula Ben-Amos Girshick and John Thornton, "Civil War in the Kingdom of Benin, 1689-1721: Continuity or Political Change?", Journal of African History, 42 (2001), pp.353-354. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 3:56pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: Do you mean how you lost Ilori to your Fulani rulers/conquerors. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 4:02pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 4:07pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: Read again and tell me what part of that you didn't understand to be internal-crisis induced. Anyways, talking about internal crisis. See below: "Towards the end of the seventeenth century, a number of European observers noted that the Edo Kingdom of Benin had been racked for some years by civi war. One of the longest accounts, that of David van Nyendael, reported that as a result of this civil war, Benin City had been sacked and in his day ("1699 -1701" ) was reduced to a 'mere village'. Apparently beginning shortly before 1690, the civil war stretched on well into the eighteenth century." Paula Ben-Amos Girshick and John Thornton, "Civil War in the Kingdom of Benin, 1689-1721: Continuity or Political Change?", Journal of African History, 42 (2001), pp.353-354. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 4:08pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: Read again and tell me what part of that you didn't understand to be internal-crisis induced. Anyways, talking about internal crisis. See below: "Towards the end of the seventeenth century, a number of European observers noted that the Edo Kingdom of Benin had been racked for some years by civi war. One of the longest accounts, that of David van Nyendael, reported that as a result of this civil war, Benin City had been sacked and in his day ("1699 -1701" ) was reduced to a 'mere village'. Apparently beginning shortly before 1690, the civil war stretched on well into the eighteenth century." Paula Ben-Amos Girshick and John Thornton, "Civil War in the Kingdom of Benin, 1689-1721: Continuity or Political Change?", Journal of African History, 42 (2001), pp.353-354 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 4:09pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: So the Fulani that conquered and continue to rule your ilorin were internal Yoruba people. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 4:13pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: To the extent that they fought for a Yoruba Army, under a Yoruba commander; YES! Talking about internal crisis: Is it true that the gReAt BeNiN kInGdOm was reduced to a MERE VILLAGE ?? ?? Please say NO. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 4:29pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: Now, that you have admitted that your Fulani conquerors and rulers of ilorin were Yoruba initially, hope you will not deny it in the future when I quote you. Unless you can explain how common mercenaries who fought under Yorubas became the ruling elites. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 4:47pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: If you will not twist, not lie, and not take my statement out if its intended context (as you you've already done here for bigotry purposes), then why not. ?? While I've been addressing all your contentions in full, there is one simple question that you've been consistently avoiding oo. See below: Is it true that the gReAt BeNiN kInGdOm was reduced to a MERE VILLAGE ?? ?? Please say No. Don't disappoint gReAt BeNiN kInGdOm. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 4:59pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: Nice article now were is the image of the 1060 artwork seriously i need to see it, atleast its an artwork it must have an image We cant just believe it because it is coming from a foreigner that would be inferiority complex on our part I can bring mine dating from 14c |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 5:07pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: So it's settled then. According to you, the Fulani ruling elites of Ilorin were initially Yorubas. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 5:10pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: So it's settled then. According to you, the Fulani ruling elites of Ilorin were initially Yorubas. So there were Fulani Yorubas. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 5:10pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
gregyboy: This dummy is here admitting, on one side of his mouth, that the academic article truly published the dating of an Ife artifact to be from c.1060. Yet on the other side of his mouth, he his seriously begging to print a picture copy of the admittedly dated artefact. Hello young man! You need the picture to masturbate with it?? It depicts a man (and not a woman) oo ... in case you're imagining too much. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 5:11pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk: If you will not twist, not lie, and not take my statement out if its intended context (as you you've already done here for bigotry purposes), then why not. ?? While I've been addressing all your contentions in full, there is one simple question that you've been consistently avoiding oo. See below: Is it true that the gReAt BeNiN kInGdOm was reduced to a MERE VILLAGE ?? ?? Please say No. Don't disappoint gReAt BeNiN kInGdOm. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 5:22pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
samuk:If you will not twist, not lie, and not take my statement out if its intended context (as you you've already done here for bigotry purposes), then why not. ?? While I've been addressing all your contentions in full, there is one simple question that you've been consistently avoiding oo. See below: Is it true that the gReAt BeNiN kInGdOm was reduced to a MERE VILLAGE ?? ?? Please say No. Don't disappoint gReAt BeNiN kInGdOm. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 6:16pm On Apr 13, 2020 |
TAO11: No Great Benin wasn’t reduced to your shallow and foolish interpretation of “mere village”.. Scholars and historians agree that Benin only declined towards the end of 19th century due to British activities in the area. The civil wars only resulted in a temporary setback and loss of territories for Benin but it quickly recovered from it after the wars and regained its territories and dominance over your Yoruba ancestors till towards the end of the 19th century.. Go and read it, it’s in the archives. |
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