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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 7:32am On Apr 14, 2020 |
gregyboy: Sometimes you reassure me so much that ghostwon was right regarding what he said about you. Remember I have evidence for what he said. Having said that, now go to the last line of paragraph 5 of the comment you replied to here, to see the answer to your comment here. You're making it too obvious that you're worried in some ways. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 7:34am On Apr 14, 2020 |
TAO11: Have you asked yourself why didnt olfert Dapper's same thesame about ife or other yorubas So you mean olfert Dapper's was a benin man so he wanted go elevate benin for his tribal bigotry and he had to say benin once had street light Nigga get a life beyond benin history Yorubas have all the upper hand over benins in this country but instead they wont make history for themselves they will be arguing with benins that is just 7 local govt for historical connections This is how benins found you all in the past and they conqured you guys If not for the minorites and igbos who are speaking in behalf of yorubas the fulanis would have conquered you all by now |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 7:36am On Apr 14, 2020 |
gregyboy: Sometimes you reassure me so much that ghostwon was right regarding what he said about you. Remember I have evidence for what he said. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 9:35am On Apr 14, 2020 |
TAO11: Please I’m waiting for any documents written in the 1600s about anywhere in Yorubaland that describes any Yoruba city in the same way Benin city was described. I’m waiting for the fairytales you want to come up with this time. Don’t forget that when foreigners visited Yoruba villages, Oyo was met in ruins, Ife had been abandoned and other Yoruba places were described as settlements. So please come and lie again. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 10:36am On Apr 14, 2020 |
TAO11: When I said this lady is deeply in love with Benin history, she denied it. Everyone can now see for themselves that the love is infectious. She is a total convert to Benin history, who wouldn't be. Thanks to her, aspects of Benin history that people do not even know about are being revealed. Even TAO11 is learning and loving it. Animosities aside. Huge thanks to those of you that have made this thread very educative and informative. I am glad that our audiences, both the Benin, Yoruba and other tribes are getting educated and learning new information about a Nigeria and an African independent civilisation that mesmerised the Europeans as far back as 600 years ago. It was even stated that the mathematics that was used to construct the Benin wall was not even discovered by Europeans at that time, so they were initially confused by how it was done. It was after they discovered the mathematics centuries later in Europe that the wall made sense to them. The Nigeria of today can hardly mesmerised even blacks from Africa countries let alone Europeans. Where did will get it wrong 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by AreaFada2: 10:47am On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk:Thanks sir. Stay safe too |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 10:54am On Apr 14, 2020 |
TAO11: Anyhow you try to downplay it, iron made poles of about 20 feet with oil lamps where place at strategic locations in the square which were light on special occasions. Call it square lights or Street lights, it doesn't matter, what matters is, this indigenous idea could be seen as a precursor to street lights or as some put it, Benin was the very first few cities in the world to have a semblance of street lights. You can read it with your tribal lens the way you like, whilst the audience will see it for what they were. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 11:06am On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk: She has read all benin articles than even an average benin historian And she reads them with tribal bigotry If she was arguing for the benins against yorubas It wont take her seconds to rumble them off But she finds it difficult against the benins because yorubas never even had history |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 11:19am On Apr 14, 2020 |
gregyboy: I noticed that too, which is a very big shame, she can hardly see anything without tribal colouration. Imagine searching for Ryder's book in vain just to learn more about Benin just to twist, downplay and misrepresent what was said about Benin. But thanks to her tenacity, other tribes are now learning more about ancient Benin. People look at Benin now and find it had to understand how great it once was. A city that was once comparable to even European cities of the same era. The Benin people were by no means inferior to the Europeans. One English man once described Benin of that era as being a very clean city without crime where people can leave their doors opened and in contrast, London of the same era was crime infested with poor sanitation. Benin where were people did things with great thoughts and logic not the Nigeria we have today. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 11:45am On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk: If not for her i wouldn't even have come across Ryder's work and the others thanks to her i would still be debating of benin-ife myth against the opinion of ghostwon, her bigotry pushed her to share a link that will change everything that she agreed on.... Like they day hate kills... And it consumes one who posses it in abundance If only she put bigotry aside and embrace reality she could later be the famous writter that would put both ethnic history together in thier correct form.... But no she wants to rewrite the yoruba history it only end up making her foolish, because you dont rewrite history but create a new one Despite edos are minorites in nigeria, you can here thier voice nearer to the three big tribe TAO11, if only you know that history cant be rewritten, but only be created You will end your tribal bigotry, instead of fighting edo why not fight the north against your people |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 12:16pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk: Well, I like your imagination. It's very sharp. Now coming back to the real-world, there is no reference for any such thing as I have debunked it, and as SilverSniper have debunked it too. Good luck imagining. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by geosegun(m): 12:17pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk: I was just reading your comments and laugh cant stop laughing... both you and an samuk are deceiving yourselves. You can not re-write history no matter how hard you try. Yoruba (Ife) gave you (Benin) your Kingship and and civilization. You cant help it, you cant change it and you cannot re-write history. All you need to do is accept the fact and move on. Even the Romans gave the great British their civilization, the current British royals have Germans bloodline, so what is wrong in the Oba of Benin having a Yoruba Bloodline? Why are you guys allowing inferiority complex to becloud our sense of judgement? @TAO11; I'll advise you ignore henceforth. Since they are not ready to accept reality. You have given more than enough evidence. It up to them to face reality, accept it an move on or they continue to live in self deceit. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by davidnazee: 12:32pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
geosegun: Going by your statement that rome gave British their civilization and the British monarchy having German bloodline, does that mean Rome or Germany are greater than British empire? Or do u see Italians or Germans shouting or bragging that their ancient kingdoms were greater than the British Kingdom? I wonder who is really suffering from inferiority complex and shame of an inferior history. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 1:07pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
TAO11: Every thing I wrote about the description of the lighting system in ancient Benin I presented are contained in the eyewitness account documents presented by Silversniper. Others have eyes, they can read it for themselves. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 1:12pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
geosegun: For the first four hundred years of Benin contact with Europeans, Benin never mentioned, Oranmiyan, Oduduwa or Ife. Nothing in European archives of Benin history said anything about Benin/Ife relationship for the first four hundred years. Benin was too organised, advanced and sophisticated at that time not to have remembered to mention Benin/Ife relationship to the Europeans or even put the relationship into their thousands of artworks if indeed such relationship existed then. Nothing was recorded in Benin early oral history and artworks that captured/represents Benin/Ife relationship. Benin/Ife history started around 1824. It was nothing but huge conspiracy of the royal elites on both sides. Benin lost the empire and was happy to write itself at the heart of the expanding Yoruba conglomerate by becoming the first son and heir to Oranmiyan/Ododuwa while the Yorubas were just too happy to share from the glorious past of Benin history. It was a brilliant entanglement. There is even Benin/Nri relationship writeup somewhere, another interesting read. The Benin/Ife history is a big lie and fabrication, get over it and move on. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 1:22pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
geosegun: All this would have made sense if there was really a benin-ife relationship Lets talk about how benin conquered the yoruba people instead of fairytale |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TerraCotta(m): 3:13pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
SilverSniper: I am guessing you’re that former NL poster who had an intense interest in physics and Nigerian history? I remember reading some references you’d made then to mud-polishing which were new to me in traditional architecture, but in the years since, I’ve noticed several references to similar effects on house walls and this “glossy finish”. I’ll see if I can re-locate them because it’s such an interesting (perhaps now lost) reference to an impressive traditional design technique. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 5:19pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk: Well, the only conspiracy here are the above lies from you which I'm busting right now. I will stop exposing your lies (such as the above) only when you stop peddling them. I KNOW you must be frustrated now. Anyways: Sane readers with integrity, please see attachments below for historical reference to the c.1480 Portuguese account of the suzerainty of the Ooni of Ife over Benin kingdom: Thanks samuk for helping to make the truths I've been repeating (with evidence) become a popular internet search result, accessible to a wide vareity of readers all over the world. Cheers! 1 Share
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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 5:35pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk: Live in your delusions. You aren't the first to. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 5:50pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
TAO11: In 1480 Benin didn't remember the names, Ooni, Oranmiyan and Ife to tell the Portuguese when they said Oghene. For four hundred years Benin didn't remember Ooni, Oranmiyan and Ife to tell any of the Europeans that visited and documented the history of Benin. After 1824, Yoruba influenced historians and all those that created the Oduduwa myth decided to link one Benin Oghene, a very strange world in Yoruba to Ooni and uhe, another strange word in Yoruba language to Ife, how convenient. All these can only make sense to the Yorubas and those that intend to benefit from the Oduduwa myth. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 6:08pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
TAO11: Desperation |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 6:19pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
gregyboy: Tell me about it. Did you notice how she sneaked behind to request for a link to Ryder's book. The way she was carrying on discrediting the book, I thought she has even read the entire book, not knowing that she haven't even seen it. Why didn't she made the request public for everyone to have access to it. She has now ruined Geosegun little Benin/Ife project and Metaphysical Oduduwa Mecca origin. These guys have now all gone into hiding. |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 6:21pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk: Lol. Fighting for life. Just as you've channelled your energy into what is NOT known from the Portuguese accounts, well before jumping off from there, pause for a moment, and then channel your energy into what is CERTAINLY known from the same Portuguese accounts. And what is certainly known is that the Portuguese did inquire about "the most powerful monarch" of the region (which is the key reason why they left Europe in the first place --- to find their supposed Prester John). And the reply they got from the Binis to their specific inquiry is that "the most powerful monarch" of the region is the one whom the Binis regard as Oghene --- rendered in d'Aveiros account as Ogane. Not only that, the Binis gave further details of the relationship of Benin kingdom with this Ogane --- noting that this Ogane was a ruler whose permission must be sought for the installation of a Benin Oba, etc. So, if we know anything at this point, then it is the fact that we know that in around the year 1480, d'Aveiro records account from Benin kingdom about this Ogane. And the next logical question thus becomes: who is this Ogane? I live that for scholars to answer as seen in the attachment below: An Important Clarification: The Portuguese didn't come into Benin with the objective of inquiring about its founding. No, they had specific inquiries in mind even before leaving Europe: They were searching for their Prester John who in their early folk-tale was a very very powerful monarch somewhere out there in the world. In other words, their specific inquiry, wherever the went to, was around the specific question of the most powerful monarch of the region --- a question for which they got an answer from Benin. Cheers! 1 Share
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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 6:24pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk: You must have hacked ("sneaked") into my email to notice my "sneaked behind". ; To bust a lie: No I asked right here in public, in fact, in a reply to davidnazee. And it's not the same "book", okay? Ryder(1965) is what you all have been yapping about which does not even support your views, as his own conclusions were admittedly probabilistic. I have read Ryder(1965) since years ago, and I have cited from it on a number of Ife/Benin threads. Plus it's not even a book. It's a journal article. Ryder(1969) is what I asked him for here, and the request was, in fact, made in my reply to davidnazee. And it's not a journal article. It's a book. Interestingly, why I wanted to read it myself is that I have read a number of scholarly reference to it which shows that he himself drifted away in 1969 from his 1965 suggestion about the Ogane. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 6:29pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
TAO11: The way you are clinging on to Benin and not letting go is amazing. What else can I say, other than to say that your love with Benin is total. I doubt if there is anything anyone will be able to do about it |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 6:30pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
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Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 6:38pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk: You can say I love Binis, that's fair enough. Lol. You may choose to simply post educative and informative stuffs, if you like; and that's perfect --- a case study of SilverSniper. But the point you cross into garnishing stuffs with lies, deliberate misrepresentations, twisting, etc. for the sake of tribal bigotry, then I get triggered. It's not so much about "hating" you or others. No, it's about my hatred for lies. I mean you can make mistakes, just like everyone else, and that's also perfectly fine. In fact, you may choose to pursue "tribal superiority", if you like, and I will be fine with it in as much as you can possibly do that with truth only --- May be that's not the best kind of life for you, but who are others to tell you what's best for you. But wanting to pursue tribal superiority and with lies, yet hoping not to be checked? C'mon! Even you yourself know that such is unfair. And that has been my point all along. Cheers! |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by geosegun(m): 7:10pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
TAO11: I likened their (davidnazee, greyboy, and samuk) case to those of people asking for their rights by taken your own rights away from you. They don't want to be checked, even when they are clearly wrong and they knew it. I just chose to ignore them. We never hated anyone, I've got Benin/edos, as friends, neighbours even channel partners in business. So I don't know what their issues are, regarding historical facts about Benin Kingship and civilization, if not inferiority complex? Yoruba (Ife) named their city Ibinu now (Benin) - Facts; Yoruba (Ife) gave Benin her Obaship -Fact, Yoruba assisted Benin greatly with civilization and hence her booming economy (Beads and Artistic/Bronze Engraving) - Fact!!! If they don't like it, is not our business, they can go ask their ancestors why? Sorry they can't change history and destiny. You should know they are naturally stubborn; That's why they lost woefully to the British during the punitive expedition in 1898 and their legacies destroyed shamelessly. We (Yoruba Ife) warned them via our (Knowledge of the Oracle -Ifa) but they never listened. Look at the relics of a once great Kingdom, an offshoot of Yoruba Ife. They almost destroyed some of our ancestors legacies due to their stubbornness, so I am not surprise if their descendants is showing that stubborn attributes as we are witnessing here on NL in recent times. Its in their DNA, Lol! 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by samuk: 7:17pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
geosegun: Please don't kill me with laughter. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by gregyboy(m): 8:54pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
samuk: Lol For the elite there will be no ife benin discussion again There will b no arguments again on who own the title oba since there were no actual connections It means oba was always indigenous to benin And it got into yoruba lexicon through benin conquest over those areas Orumila and other shared gods with the yorubas were always indigenous to benins I have 7mb pdf file from Cambridge analyzing benin military warfare in the pdf they reevaluated the benin ife connection and thier final conclusions was that it was a political stagnation The oba needs not to use benin history to play politics Even if the oba insist, How can we connect uhe-as ife How did they know that 1000 yrs ago the place they visited was ife and they cant remeber were they came from but remember ife If not for the Portuguese our dating and our history would have brought difficulties assembling for us, because all account that will be told by the royals will be looking like fairytale |
Re: Benin Kingdom In Edo State Remained Part Of The Expansive Yoruba - Ooni Of Ife by TAO11(f): 9:06pm On Apr 14, 2020 |
gregyboy: (1) Tell me the etymology of "Oba" as meaning "King" in Edo language! (2) Also tell me the broken down meaning of "Orunmila" in Edo language! (3) Quote from your "Cambridge" and reference in full. Hahaha I KNOW HE IS LYING. I HOPE HE CANT SEE THIS. 1 Like 1 Share |
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