HedwigesMaduro:


Not necessarily disagreeing with you, but gospel means good news. Hell fire does not exactly sound like good news, does it?

You mean you only need good news, that's right. Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour, confess your sins. Jesus died for you so that you will have everlasting life. As in John 3:16, you will not perish when you get born again.

You don't have to entertain fear of everlasting fire if you have given your life to Jesus.

Janosky:


Matt25:41 Jesus Christ NEVER said what you claimed..

Answer these questions jare... Na you get "spiritual mindset to interpret spiritual things"
(Whatever that means....)


My Questions:
Can you show us from your Bible where God punished Adam and Eve, (the first sinners punished by God) by everlasting, perpetual torture ?

Can you show us from your Bible where God sentenced Ananias& Sapphira to everlasting torture?


Where did Jesus Christ tell you that evil people are being tortured perpetually ?

Pls, do away with argument. Read Matthew 25 : 41& 46 . Narrate whatever it means to you so I can reply you.

Janosky:


I challenge you to provide proof from your Bible that hell is lake of fire , can you?

Did God sentence the people of Sodom and Gomorrah to everlasting torture according to your teaching/doctrines?

Where in your Bible did God sentence the evil people of Noah's time to everlasting torture as punishment ?

I challenge you to provide proof..

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Challenged! You don't need to challenge God's word. Read Matthew 25: 41& 46. Explain what Jesus meant in that passage

oneolajire:
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Challenged! You don't need to challenge God's word. Read Matthew 25: 41& 46. Explain what Jesus meant in that passage

@ Matthew 25:41-46

Jesus' illustration of the separation of the sheep from the goat started from Matthew 25:31.

Everlasting cutoff or everlasting punishment means to be pitched into the figurative eternal damnation where Adam was thrown!

Maximus69:


@ Matthew 25:41-46

Jesus' illustration of the separation of the sheep from the goat started from Matthew 25:31.

Everlasting cutoff or everlasting punishment means to be pitched into the figurative eternal damnation where Adam was thrown!

Let me tell you this you've never heard.

"The bible is the only book in which the author is present with every reader".

If you allow the author of the bible to explain his word to you, you'll be highly blessed. But when you lock up yourself in the explanations of watchtower, you have missed it a long time as they have never been able to understand the mind of God.

They taught you Adam was caught off, OK. They twisted the saying and seriousness of the savior warning people to
run away from eternal damnation. May the author of Bible open your eyes to see the truth of the bible. Eph 1: 16. -20

Hommage au Doyen Papa Apotre Zacharie Adetola - Mission Ephrata


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff7D2Yi0LVw

oneolajire:


Let me tell you this you've never heard.

"The bible is the only book in which the author is present with every reader".

If you allow the author of the bible to explain his word to you, you'll be highly blessed. But when you lock up yourself in the explanations of watchtower, you have missed it a long time as they have never been able to understand the mind of God.

They taught you Adam was caught off, OK. They twisted the saying and seriousness of the savior warning people to
run away from eternal damnation. May the author of Bible open your eyes to see the truth of the bible. Eph 1: 16. -20

I'll wait for that so called author, after all it's not you but someone/something else!
So there is no need for you to come here on Nairaland teaching people, rather you supposed to leave the explanation of the words to the so called author!

But Jehovah's Witnesses show me inside the Bible how the Bible's author sent several messengers to the Israelites of ancient times (he never came presently to explain to them).

The Bible's author sent his son also {John 3:16-18} he never came in person to teach anyone!

His son also dispatched people (whom he taught physically) to go out and teach people face to face! Matthew 10:3-15; 28:19-20; Luke 10:1-17

This your own concept of the author teaching people directly without allowing the dispatched workers to preach and teach sounds good o, so i'm reading my Bible now waiting for your so called author!

Janosky:


Hello People,una dey see am korokoro.....

Oneolajire can not answer the Bible based questions presented to him.
The man can not defend the JUNK he calls hellfire.

Yet oneolajire wants all of una to swallow the RUBBISH wey he post to open this thread.

Incrizz , come and see as una dey deceive una selves..

Can you kindly paste here in the comment from your own Bible:

2Peter 2:4-6
Kindly also note the last line in verse 6.

I really want to know what the last line in verse 6 says in your Bible. Thanks.

Incrizz:


Can you kindly paste here in the comment from your own Bible:

2Peter 2:4-6
Kindly also note the last line in verse 6.

I really want to know what the last line in verse 6 says in your Bible. Thanks.

2 Peter 2 New International Version (NIV)
False Teachers and Their Destruction
2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;"



Footnotes:

[a] 2 Peter 2:4 Greek Tartarus
[b]. 2 Peter 2:4 Some manuscripts in gloomy
dungeons"

** My comments:
2 Peter 2:4 God sent the disobedient angels to Greek Tartarus.. "putting them in chains of darkness..."
(Incrizz, you dey see am...
My question for you:
Did God torture disobedient angels?
Please give your answer...
Tartarus is NOT an eternal torture chamber..
My dear, what is Greek Tartarus? (Please go & find out).

Verse5:
God punished the ungodly people of Noah's day with a great flood..

Verse6:
"God made Sodom and Gomorrah an example of what is going to happen to ungodly people..."
(Incrizz, you dey see am...
Question for you:
Did God torture ungodly Sodom and Gomorrah forever in a fiery furnace?
Please give your answer...

NB:
2 Peter 2:1-3 is giving you an important message, do you get the message ?
Shalom.

The Second of Peter 2:1-6 NWT.

2 However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you.+ These will quietly bring in destructive sects, and they will even disown the owner who bought them,+ bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Furthermore, many will follow their brazen conduct,*+ and because of them the way of the truth will be spoken of abusively.+ 3 Also, they will greedily exploit you with counterfeit words. But their judgment, decided long ago,+ is not moving slowly, and their destruction is not sleeping.+
4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned,+ but threw them into Tarʹta·rus,*+ putting them in chains* of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.+ 5 And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world,+ but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness,+ safe with seven others+ when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people.+ 6 And by reducing the cities of Sodʹom and Go·morʹrah to ashes, he condemned them,+ setting a pattern for ungodly people of things to come."

**
To set the record straight.

Shalom.

Janosky:


2 Peter 2 New International Version (NIV)
False Teachers and Their Destruction
2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;"



Footnotes:

[a] 2 Peter 2:4 Greek Tartarus
[b]. 2 Peter 2:4 Some manuscripts in gloomy
dungeons"

** My comments:
2 Peter 2:4 God sent the disobedient angels to Greek Tartarus.. "putting them in chains of darkness..."
(Incrizz, you dey see am...
My question for you:
Did God torture disobedient angels?
Please give your answer...
Tartarus is NOT an eternal torture chamber..
My dear, what is Greek Tartarus? (Please go & find out).

Verse5:
God punished the ungodly people of Noah's day with a great flood..

Verse6:
"God made Sodom and Gomorrah an example of what is going to happen to ungodly people..."
(Incrizz, you dey see am...
Question for you:
Did God torture ungodly Sodom and Gomorrah forever in a fiery furnace?
Please give your answer...

NB:
2 Peter 2:1-3 is giving you an important message, do you get the message ?
Shalom.

Oh! I think I now fully understand what your concerns are.

You think there is no everlasting torment.
Kindly know that there is, and put your hope in JESUS.

God is kind, but He is also severe.

Kindly know that our earthly parents learned discipline and punishment of a wrong from God, not the other way round.

God is very kind and loving, but He will discipline those whom He loves and punish the evil doers.

He has revealed this to us in His word so that we can desist from evil by the power of the blood of JESUS.

(But HE will forgive any evildoer of wrong doing who believes in the saving blood of Jesus if he asks for forgiveness and repent).

Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Now to your questions:
From your submission from your own Bible above, in verse 4, the fallen Angels are held in hell until the Day of Judgement, after which they will be cast into the lake of fire.

The fallen angels, or the ungodly who are unfortunate to be cast into the lake of fire AFTER judgement, will be tormented forever.
I.e Concerning the fallen angels bound up in hell, when death and hell are cast into the lake of fire, the content of hell and death, also will follow them into the lake of fire.

This is why I say so:

Revelation 20:14
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”

So, those fallen angels and the ungodly that are in hell will die two times; tormented for ever.

And this is what happens in the lake of fire (check out verse 10 and 11 below:

Revelation 14:9-11
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,”

10 “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:”

11 “And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

Revelation 20:10
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”

And just in case you think it is for only those who receive the mark of the beast, and the beast and the Antichrist, that would not be correct. See why I say so:

Revelation 20:15
“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

Babes, as I write this I feel like weeping. Hell,
Hell fire, or the lake of fire was created solely for the devil. But the devil has sworn that he won't go down alone but will pull as many of God's children that he can with him because he knows that God loves us.

But thank God, He sent Jesus to die and pay for our sins. The day we believe this simple message and ask God for forgiveness and turn completely to Him, He gives us the power to overcome all the schemes and wiles of the devil.

Mathew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 12
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Babes, The devil hates all of us as an enemy BUT God loves us as a Father.

Incrizz:


Oh! I think I now fully understand what your concerns are.

You think there is no everlasting torment.
Kindly know that there is, and put your hope in JESUS.

God is kind, but He is also severe.

Kindly know that our earthly parents learned discipline and punishment of a wrong from God, not the other way round.

God is very kind and loving, but He will discipline those whom He loves and punish the evil doers.

He has revealed this to us in His word so that we can desist from evil by the power of the blood of JESUS.

(But HE will forgive any evildoer of wrong doing who believes in the saving blood of Jesus if he asks for forgiveness and repent).

Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Now to your questions:
From your submission from your own Bible above, in verse 4, the fallen Angels are held in hell until the Day of Judgement, after which they will be cast into the lake of fire.

The fallen angels, or the ungodly who are unfortunate to be cast into the lake of fire AFTER judgement, will be tormented forever.
I.e Concerning the fallen angels bound up in hell, when death and hell are cast into the lake of fire, the content of hell and death, also will follow them into the lake of fire.

This is why I say so:

Revelation 20:14
“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.”

So, those fallen angels and the ungodly that are in hell will die two times; tormented for ever.

And this is what happens in the lake of fire (check out verse 10 and 11 below:

Revelation 14:9-11
“And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,”

10 “The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:”

11 “And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

Revelation 20:10
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”

And just in case you think it is for only those who receive the mark of the beast, and the beast and the Antichrist, that would not be correct. See why I say so:

Revelation 20:15
“And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

Babes, as I write this I feel like weeping. Hell,
Hell fire, or the lake of fire was created solely for the devil. But the devil has sworn that he won't go down alone but will pull as many of God's children that he can with him because he knows that God loves us.

But thank God, He sent Jesus to die and pay for our sins. The day we believe this simple message and ask God for forgiveness and turn completely to Him, He gives us the power to overcome all the schemes and wiles of the devil.

Mathew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Revelation 12
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Babes, The devil hates all of us as an enemy BUT God loves us as a Father.

Revelation 20:10 will explain everything up here. Including Matthew 25:41,46

According to Revelation 20:10 , Satan has the same end with the wild beast and false prophet , Who is this Wild beast to begin with ?

Jozzy4:


Revelation 20:10 will explain everything up here. Including Matthew 25:41,46

According to Revelation 20:10 , Satan has the same end with the wild beast and false prophet , Who is this Wild beast to begin with ?

You are so curious about the Bible and always seek clarity.
To what end if you won't allow Jesus, The Only One Who Can, shield you from the coming hypnotises of the Antichrist?
Because anyone who does not have Jesus in him, will surely receive the mark of the beast.

Revelation 13:8, KJV: "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Have faith in God.
He created you and loves you.
Believe in His Word without doubting.
Believe what God has said.
Believe God.