Redcrafton:


pic1: Abeokuta with audio industries
pic 2: Enugu potopoto republic with zero industries

Can you compare. These thing should be translatable in real terms

there are better planned estate in ogun state than in the entire SE.. some I can name are new makun city, mitros city (under development) bad other big estate. .

Anambralstson:

Please can you list Alakija firms loud mouth

Ask Forbes.

Nowenuse:


Don't be dumb.

I said every Hausa fulani & northern muslims who live in Kano use Kano state of origin and that is the reason why Kano state is very high.

Look at the figures of Katsina state that have the highest population of Indigenes in Hausa land and tell me how many it is.

Gosh are Yoruba people so full of ignorance or what?

These Jamb statistics are based on indigeneship and not the population of states!

Delta state may be more populated than Osun & Ogun states, but the question is, DOES DELTA HAVE MORE INDIGENES THAN OGUN & OSUN STATE?

Due to the big & cosmopolitan nature of Jos, we have up to 1 million settlers (half of the city's population). How many settlers does Osun has?

You are talking about IMO, do u know that Imo state has the highest population of Indigenes in Igbo land?

The list is fvcking based on indigeneship and not the population of a state.
If u want to argue, why are Lagos & FCT very very low in spite of their large educated urban population?

You people should stop disgracing Awo free education here on nairaland.

So what exactly is your point?

He said all Yoruba states outside lagos are doing better than Plateau and you came up with your usual Hausa Fulani/Muslim narrative in order to reduce your population by at least a million as usual.

Although I must state that the population of Jos is 800,000k+ according to Nigerian 2006 population census which we are currently using as point of reference, So I don't know how you got over 1 million non indigen Platuea people living in Jos.

Nonetheless, he countered you with the fact that even states with lower population than Platuea according to the census are doing better than Platuea.


So inspite of your usual allocation of huge population to Hausa Fulani/Muslims and Non Plateau indigen when it suites your narrative, your state is still doing poorly

Hope you understand !

Nowenuse:


Don't be dumb.

I said every Hausa fulani & northern muslims who live in Kano use Kano state of origin and that is the reason why Kano state is very high.

Look at the figures of Katsina state that have the highest population of Indigenes in Hausa land and tell me how many it is.

Gosh are Yoruba people so full of ignorance or what?

These Jamb statistics are based on indigeneship and not the population of states!

Delta state may be more populated than Osun & Ogun states, but the question is, DOES DELTA HAVE MORE INDIGENES THAN OGUN & OSUN STATE?

Due to the big & cosmopolitan nature of Jos, we have up to 1 million settlers (half of the city's population). How many settlers does Osun has?

You are talking about IMO, do u know that Imo state has the highest population of Indigenes in Igbo land?

The list is fvcking based on indigeneship and not the population of a state.
If u want to argue, why are Lagos & FCT very very low in spite of their large educated urban population?

You people should stop disgracing Awo free education here on nairaland.

Are you dyslexic ??
You are making this unnecessarily cumbersome .

The genesis of the argument was when you stated that the Northern Christians have caught up with the South in education which made me post the Jamb statistics to bust your bubble .

Then you claimed that it was because those states had more people .
Now you are changing mouth .

I totally hate dishonest people .

PS: Stop being unnecessarily foolish . Why are you calling Yoruba people and Awo ??
I've been trying to be civil in the face of your obvious provocations .

Folks reading this can go a few pages back to see the evolution of this argument

Iamgrey5:
@Nowenuse

So now that you have been defeated on the Jos vs Ibadan front, you have simply shifted goal post to something you are more comfortable with.

Ok here we go


1) It was said that Ilorin urban had 2k people as that time and the majority of ethnicities listed there were Non-Yorubas.

2) Yoruba language was used for Junior education while Hausa language for advanced education in Ilorin

3) All the traditional rulers from the Igbominas, Igbolos & Ekiti speakers were appointed and confirmed by the Emir. So, not just Ilorin but the whole of Kwara was under the direct rulership of the Emirate.

@ your first point

The argument you made that other tribes had to learn Yoruba in other to survive in Ilorin emirate counters your first point.

Shouldn't it have been the other way around, considering the non Yorubas were more than the Yorubas at that point

In addition, the writer of the article you referenced at no point stated that the numbers of non Yorubas in Ilorin were more than Yorubas in Ilorin.

@ your second point,

There was never a point in the article that the writer claimed that the kings of the igbomina and Ekitis were appointed by the Emir

Don't forget Ilorin emirare is not Kwara state


@ your third point counters your first point as well. Ilorin was incorporated into northern Nigeria in 1900 and education started in 1920.

In most parts of northern Nigeria, Hausa was used as a means of communication in education.

Hausa was used to teach senior officers who were the officers of the Emirates, while the Yoruba language was used for majority of the population who were peasant as at the time.


And once again! please take note that Ilorin emirate is not Kwara state

Even majority of Kogi state today were originally part of Kwara state.

Who told u that I have conceded defeat in the Ibadan vs Jos topic? I was banned twice today and I have up to 10 Yorubas here and other threads on nairaland which I have to reply to equally. So just chill and enjoy the fun

Now ur points.

1) Hausa language started loosing ground in Ilorin decades later with the increased immigration of Yorubas from other parts of Ilorin province to Ilorin town. Assimilation takes time, it doesn't just happen.
Ilorin town is surrounded by Yoruba speaking settlements, there was no way Hausa or Fulfude language would displace Yoruba language.


2) Please go and put on your reading glasses and read the last paragraph of the 3rd screenshots very well.
Can't u see where Ajasse, Omu, Osi & Isanlu were mentioned and their tribal chiefs who served as district heads being appointed by the Emirs?
Or do u just want to be deliberately mischievous?

3) The education being talked about in Ilorin as at that time was not Western education. It was most likely AJAMI education. Both Yorubas (Oyos) and Hausas all used Ajami education in the pre-colonial era.

Of course, Ilorin Emirate (Kwara central) is not Kwara state, however, Ilorin controlled majority of present day Kwara state after the conquest.

Iamgrey5:
Emotional Bull crap.

I will give you an assignment today.

in the history of Nigeria, who has worked most for the interest of Hausa/Fulani more than the igbos in Nigeria?

Even in the last election, igbos queue behind a Fulani Muslim in Atiku.

Benue with a large percentage of Christians and an integral part of your utopian middle belt republic gave Buhari their votes in 2015 and gave him over 35% in 2019 despite the large killings going in there

Listen! Yorubas don't need your goodwill to survive in Nigeria, your region is the least most important to the destiny of the Yorubas in Nigeria.

It is even an insult for you to put mouth in the affairs of the Yoruba people.

I wouldn't have replied him If had seen this earlier

Iamgrey5:
So what exactly is your point?

He said all Yoruba states outside lagos are doing better than Plateau and you came up with your usual Hausa Fulani/Muslim narrative in order to reduce your population by at least a million as usual.

Although I must state that the population of Jos is 800,000k+ according to Nigerian 2006 population census which we are currently using as point of reference, So I don't know how you got over 1 million non indigen Platuea people living in Jos.

Nonetheless, he countered you with the fact that even states with lower population than Platuea according to the census are doing better than Platuea.


So inspite of your usual allocation of huge population to Hausa Fulani/Muslims and Non Plateau indigen when it suites your narrative, your state is still doing poorly

Hope you understand !

God bless you

Kidakudz5:
there are better planned estate in ogun state than in the entire SE.. some I can name are new makun city, mitros city (under development) bad other big estate. .

The screenshot landmass estate couple with he rest....?

The math, please!?
Ogun state has more developed areas than individual state in SE.

Anambralstson:

Same man is the owner of Nest aviation, he is the Chairman Smile network Nigeria and major shareholder in the Smile Holdings Limited; comprising, Smile South Africa, Smile Dubai, Smile Tanzania, Smile Uganda and Smile DR Congo, and major shareholder in Julius Beger Nigeria. Igbos are silent not those loud mouths chasing fame, three of his companies listed in London Stock Exchange (LSE)

Does Smile operates in South Africa and Dubai?

He is not a major shareholder in Julius Berger. Mike Adenuga is the major shareholder in Julius Berger.

Iamgrey5:
So what exactly is your point?

He said all Yoruba states outside lagos are doing better than Plateau and you came up with your usual Hausa Fulani/Muslim narrative in order to reduce your population by at least a million as usual.

Although I must state that the population of Jos is 800,000k+ according to Nigerian 2006 population census which we are currently using as point of reference, So I don't know how you got over 1 million non indigen Platuea people living in Jos.

Nonetheless, he countered you with the fact that even states with lower population than Platuea according to the census are doing better than Platuea.


So inspite of your usual allocation of huge population to Hausa Fulani/Muslims and Non Plateau indigen when it suites your narrative, your state is still doing poorly

Hope you understand !

The 2006 Nigerian census was very useless and besides Bukuru and other towns like Vom, Kuru, Zawan, Kwang e.t.c were not counted as part of Jos.

Jos urban area is currently around 330km². About same size with Benin. How on Earth do u expect an urban area with such Landmass to be 800k people?

Plateau indignes cannot be more than half of the population of Jos.

See, I know my state and people back and front. I cannot be deliberately reducing the population of my people for any flimsy reason.
The only Southern states I know my state can have more Indigenes compared to are Ekiti, Lagos, Bayelsa, Ebonyi & Cross River.
Check these states and compare their figures to my states.
Can't u see the way Benue & Kogi states are higher? It's cos of the Indigenous population they have.

If you think my people are so much illiterate, ask yourself why Kaduna state usually has the highest figures in the north!
Is Kaduna more populated than Kano? Hell no. Do more people claim indigeneship of Kaduna than Kano? No!
It is because of Southern Kaduna people. They make up half of the Indigenes of Kaduna state and they are as much as we Plateau people in numbers. Then you also have Zaria figures too.

Had it been Zaria (Hausa fulani people) were as educated as my people, Kaduna state should be dragging figures with Imo, Oyo e.t.c cos Kaduna state has the highest TRUE POPULATION of Indigenes in the North.
Kano officially has the highest but like half of those who claim to be from Kano are not originally from Kano.

Nowenuse:


Who told u that I have conceded defeat in the Ibadan vs Jos topic? I was banned twice today and I have up to 10 Yorubas here and other threads on nairaland which I have to reply to equally. So just chill and enjoy the fun

Now ur points.

1) Hausa language started loosing ground in Ilorin decades later with the increased immigration of Yorubas from other parts of Ilorin province to Ilorin town. Assimilation takes time, it doesn't just happen.
Ilorin town is surrounded by Yoruba speaking settlements, there was no way Hausa or Fulfude language would displace Yoruba language.


2) Please go and put on your reading glasses and read the last paragraph of the 3rd screenshots very well.
Can't u see where Ajasse, Omu, Osi & Isanlu were mentioned and their tribal chiefs who served as district heads being appointed by the Emirs?
Or do u just want to be deliberately mischievous?

3) The education being talked about in Ilorin as at that time was not Western education. It was most likely AJAMI education. Both Yorubas (Oyos) and Hausas all used Ajami education in the pre-colonial era.

Of course, Ilorin Emirate (Kwara central) is not Kwara state, however, Ilorin controlled majority of present day Kwara state after the conquest.

Always clever by half as usual

Why were you banned twice today?

What were you trying to post ? Abi there was a reason Legendhero was banned and he told us.

You have not only been defeated on the Jos Vs ibadan front, you have also been exposed to be a dishonest fellow.

Regardless, I will counter your trashy points ..

@ First point.

If we apply your logic

Why didn't the Yoruba language loose relevance in Lagos as non Yoruba come into Lagos.

Or wasn't everywhere in Ilorin named with Hausa Language?

There is no place in the world that looses the original Language to foreign language. It is actually the other way around, The people coming in will learn the Language of the host to survive.

2) Those are not kings of igbomina or Ekitis but traditional title holders in Ilorin Emirate. Ilorin Emirate is not Kwara state for example osi meáns left hand man in Yoruba land. You don't understand transition institutions in Yoruba land.

3) I don't know anything about Ajani in Oyo history and as 1920 you initially referenced, Niger royal company already had an out post in Ilorin

And Ilorin Emirate is mainly Ilorin and its environments..

They didn't select kings for the Ekitis or igbomina

Iamgrey5:
Emotional Bull crap.

I will give you an assignment today.

in the history of Nigeria, who has worked most for the interest of Hausa/Fulani more than the igbos in Nigeria?

Even in the last election, igbos queue behind a Fulani Muslim in Atiku.

Benue with a large percentage of Christians and an integral part of your utopian middle belt republic gave Buhari their votes in 2015 and gave him over 35% in 2019 despite the large killings going in there

Listen! Yorubas don't need your goodwill to survive in Nigeria, your region is the least most important to the destiny of the Yorubas in Nigeria.

It is even an insult for you to put mouth in the affairs of the Yoruba people.

Yes, Igbos kind of partnered with the Hausa fulanis in the past. But even my own people did that too.

But what I like about Igbos is that they are not ashamed of calling out their people who they feel did wrong. Many Igbo youths of today do not respect Zik or his past actions. Heck, they even slander most of their past leaders for their deeds.
Igbos do not hide or protect evil for Tribalism unlike u Yorubas.

Igbos & Northern christians queued behind Atiku because he was the lesser evil of 2 evils.

Atiku is just too liberal to be a Fulani man. Maybe because he is from Adamawa Sha and he grew up being surrounded by Christians & Muslims of different ethnic groups. Unlike Buhari from core northern Islamic Katsina.


As for Benue people voting Buhari in 2015, yes it happened! And the Tivs were the ones responsible for this. Why?
The Tivs were jealous of the Idomas who had the Senate Presidency and a stronger influence under GEJ. So, they thought that supporting Buhari will get them Senate Presidency, rather they got massacres.

That action of Tivs forever helped me confirm my previous thoughts that we from Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa & Gongola cannot really be one with Benue & Kogi people. Irrespective of religion. These people are the same with you Southerners who are very very selfish and will never mind to ditch/jeorpadize everybody else progress for personal gains.

Sebi you know Boss Mustapha & Babacir David Lawal? (secretaries to the Federation). Both of them are Kilba Christians from Adamawa.
Kilba people have been heavily favoured by Buhari's government, but Buhari still lost in their LGA. Most Kilba and Adamawa Christians at large still hate and dislike Buhari (Atiku notwithstanding).
That is how we Northern christians roll. We will not sell each other because of selfishness. However, Tivs, Idomas & Igalas are not like this.

This is the reason why I do not rep Benue people! They are not part of our movement. We will only work with them as neighbors same way we work with Igbos to leave this useless country. Thank you.

Nowenuse:


The 2006 Nigerian census was very useless and besides Bukuru and other towns like Vom, Kuru, Zawan, Kwang e.t.c were not counted as part of Jos.

Jos urban area is currently around 330km². About same size with Benin. How on Earth do u expect an urban area with such Landmass to be 800k people?

Plateau indignes cannot be more than half of the population of Jos.

See, I know my state and people back and front. I cannot be deliberately reducing the population of my people for any flimsy reason.
The only Southern states I know my state can have more Indigenes compared to are Ekiti, Lagos, Bayelsa, Ebonyi & Cross River.
Check these states and compare their figures to my states.
Can't u see the way Benue & Kogi states are higher? It's cos of the Indigenous population they have.

If you think my people are so much illiterate, ask yourself why Kaduna state usually has the highest figures in the north!
Is Kaduna more populated than Kano? Hell no. Do more people claim indigeneship of Kaduna than Kano? No!
It is because of Southern Kaduna people. They make up half of the Indigenes of Kaduna state and they are as much as we Plateau people in numbers. Then you also have Zaria figures too.

Had it been Zaria (Hausa fulani people) were as educated as my people, Kaduna state should be dragging figures with Imo, Oyo e.t.c cos Kaduna state has the highest TRUE POPULATION of Indigenes in the North.
Kano officially has the highest but like half of those who claim to be from Kano are not originally from Kano.

Something is seriously wrong with you tbh

You claim Northern Muslims are holding you back in Plateau from having a decent record in Academies, yet you still referenced the performance of a state with almost 60% Muslim as a state to recognize the progress of your people..

A state with a Muslim governor and deputy governor..

A state that gives Hausa Fulanis nothing less than a million votes for the past two elections.

Always flip floping like a bathroom slippers: D

Nowenuse:


Yes, Igbos kind of partnered with the Hausa fulanis in the past. But even my own people did that too.

But what I like about Igbos is that they are not ashamed of calling out their people who they feel did wrong. Many Igbo youths of today do not respect Zik or his past actions. Heck, they even slander most of their past leaders for their deeds.
Igbos do not hide or protect evil for Tribalism unlike u Yorubas.

Igbos & Northern christians queued behind Atiku because he was the lesser evil of 2 evils.

Atiku is just too liberal to be a Fulani man. Maybe because he is from Adamawa Sha and he grew up being surrounded by Christians & Muslims of different ethnic groups. Unlike Buhari from core northern Islamic Katsina.


As for Benue people voting Buhari in 2015, yes it happened! And the Tivs were the ones responsible for this. Why?
The Tivs were jealous of the Idomas who had the Senate Presidency and a stronger influence under GEJ. So, they thought that supporting Buhari will get them Senate Presidency, rather they got massacres.

That action of Tivs forever helped me confirm my previous thoughts that we from Plateau, Southern Kaduna, Nasarawa & Gongola cannot really be one with Benue & Kogi people. Irrespective of religion. These people are the same with you Southerners who are very very selfish and will never mind to ditch/jeorpadize everybody else progress for personal gains.

Sebi you know Boss Mustapha & Babacir David Lawal? (secretaries to the Federation). Both of them are Kilba Christians from Adamawa.
Kilba people have been heavily favoured by Buhari's government, but Buhari still lost in their LGA. Most Kilba and Adamawa Christians at large still hate and dislike Buhari (Atiku notwithstanding).
That is how we Northern christians roll. We will not sell each other because of selfishness. However, Tivs, Idomas & Igalas are not like this.

This is the reason why I do not rep Benue people! They are not part of our movement. We will only work with them as neighbors same way we work with Igbos to leave this useless country. Thank you.

Another emotional bull crap.

See how you are typing like a emotional baby

And how will a vote for Atiku give you your Middle belt christian republic? Or are you telling me that Atiku will work against his Fulani people?

And about Zik

Many igbos don't like Zik because he told them the truth that they are now just starting to learning. He told Ojukwu that they don't have enough arsenal to win a war against Nigeria. Hence, they hated him because Zik was on the side of Nigeria while his people were dying.

The same igbos voted Tafawa Balewa because of igbo influence in form Alex Ekweme few years after the civil war and voted Tofa ahead of Abiola in 1993..

The same igbos teamed up with the north to vote Obasanjo ahead of Falaye.

So what exactly are talking about?

And how is Atiku liberal than Buhari?

He told Fulani in Jigawa in the last election that he is more Fulani than Buhari and that apart from the fact that he can speak the language, he has more cows than Buhari.

Stop commenting like a baby I beg

Anambralstson:

Ode it's admitted not application, check the table, Igbos states lead in engineering/Tech, Medicine, law, Administation, Arts, the only place you guys are leading is Agriculture

You too dense, where is the number of admitted. It is only applicant we see

Iamgrey5:
Always clever by half as usual

Why were you banned twice today?

What were you trying to post ? Abi there was a reason Legendhero was banned and he told us.

You have not only been defeated on the Jos Vs ibadan front, you have also been exposed to be a dishonest fellow.

Regardless, I will counter your trashy points ..

@ First point.

If we apply your logic

Why didn't the Yoruba language loose relevance in Lagos as non Yoruba come into Lagos.

Or wasn't everywhere in Ilorin named with Hausa Language?

There is no place in the world that looses the original Language to foreign language. It is actually the other way around, The people coming in will learn the Language of the host to survive.

2) Those are not kings of igbomina or Ekitis but traditional title holders in Ilorin Emirate. Ilorin Emirate is not Kwara state for example osi meáns left hand man in Yoruba land. You don't understand transition institutions in Yoruba land.

3) I don't know anything about Ajani in Oyo history and as 1920 you initially referenced, Niger royal company already had an out post in Ilorin

And Ilorin Emirate is mainly Ilorin and its environments..

They didn't select kings for the Ekitis or igbomina

Nairaland bans people irregularly sometimes. If u have been here long enough, u will know this.

I did not violate any of Nairaland's rules and that is why they lift the ban whenever I emailed them.

** You don't know about Ajami in Oyo empire? Is your ignorance now my fault? Mtcheew.

https://mobile.facebook.com/okehotown/posts/139773509495913?_rdc=1&_rdr

https://www.academia.edu/38302633/New_Knowledge_Old_medium_the_Yoruba_ajami_of_southwestern_Nigeria_in_the_Factory_of_Learning_

** My problem with you is that you don't even know how to use analogies. Why will u be comparing influx of outsiders into Lagos with influx of Yorubas into Ilorin?

First of all, Ilorin was already Yorubaland and there were Yoruba speakers there in spite of the Hausa fulani speakers! So it was a multilingual and multi-ethnic town at that time.

2ndly, 90% of subsequent immigrants into Ilorin were Yoruba speakers! The rest were Nupes & Baribas and not even Hausa fulanis.

Had it been there was an equal immigration of Hausa speakers into Ilorin, Hausa language wouldn't have died in Ilorin.

In the case of Lagos, Yoruba immigrants match the numbers of Non-Yorubas, hence this helped to reinforce Yoruba language. Also, the non-yoruba immigrants into Lagos are of diverse ethnic groups and not one ethnic group.
Can't you see that Yoruba language is not dominant in places like Surulere, Festac e.t.c?


I had to rezoom those Ilorin screenshot for you for the last paragraph of the 3rd screenshot that emphasized on Igbomina & Ekiti traditional rulers being appointed by the Emir of Ilorin.

I repeat go and wear your reading glasses!

Nowenuse:


Look below, I attached 4 pictures of an educational charity project that my group carried out 2 months ago in Kaduna. I would have posted the picture of me addressing the students & staff of the school, but nairaland is a faceless forum.

My group donated dozens of desks to a Secondary school in Kaduna where hundreds of Students sit down on the ground to learn
I singlehandedly sponsored the cost of that project and it was worth more than 200k.

So, the fact that all of us are joking with each other here on nairaland does not mean that we are the same.

If not for this stupid & useless coronavirus epidemic, we were supposed to carry out more and more projects!
So give me some months after the epidemic and I will tag you and keep tagging you.


2ndly, my people don't hate Yorubas. My own views about Yorubas are more extreme cos I know u guys and the way u operate better, since I have lived in the south more and I am a nationalist for my people.
However, as time goes by and my people start working in alliance with the Igbos, we may start having clash of interests with you Yorubas.

And just like I told Legendhero, Covidodo, forgiveness and all the Yorubas here, thank you guys for your sympathy towards us, but I don't think we really need sympathy.
Sympathy does not help anyone in the real sense. And I don't see the sympathy of you Yorubas to mean anything. Sympathy for us, yet politcally you supported the Hausa fulanis who you know are against us. Please keep that hypocrital sympathy to yourself.

Cc Naajji & DanArrewa

If I get your point clearly you dislike Yorubas because majority of them worked with North to install Buhari as the president,if this is realy the case then that's a blind judgement. In the last election, Buhari Narowly lost to Atiku in your plateu state, about 468,555 of your people voted for Buhari while 548,665 gave their votes to Atiku. Some of your family members,friends,biz partners, church members etc were among the people that voted for Buhari, not ghosts, because of this what kind of thoughts do you hold about them? The type you hold about Yorubas for exercing their civic right? Think about it!
One funny thing about internet is that anybody can claim to be anything,we've seen people who took pics in front of other people's on going building projects and claim it to be theirs only for their lies to be bursted later by the real owners. But if your claims about the Kaduna projects are real then kudos to you. However, if you want to tag me for real about your future projects, the ones I'll be more interested to see are these:
1= the progress of your relationship with Ibos
2= the progress being made about the secession group of your people you already planning to float next year and
3= the cash crops you'll be taking to Europe.
Do not forget all these are your claims. Have a nice day and I wish you well in your endeavour.

Iamgrey5:
Another emotional bull crap.

See how you are typing like a emotional baby

And how will a vote for Atiku give you your Middle belt christian republic? Or are you telling Atiku will work against his Fulani people?

And about Zik

Many igbos don't like Zik because he told them the truth that they are now just starting to learning. He told Ojukwu that they don't have enough arsenal to win a war against Nigeria. Hence, they hated him because Zik was on the side of Nigeria his people were dying.

The same igbos voted Tafawa Balewa because of igbo influence in form Alex Ekweme few years after the civil war and voted Tofa ahead of Abiola in 1993..

The same igbos teamed up with the north to vote Obasanjo ahead of Falaye.

So what exactly are talking about?

And how is Atiku liberal than Buhari?

He told Fulani in Jigawa in the last election that he is more Fulani than Buhari and that apart from the fact that he can speak the language, he has more cows than Fulani.

Stop commenting like a baby I beg

politicians na werey people o, i remember in 2015, while GEJ was saying in the south that PMB will islamise Nigeria, Sambo his running mate was telling them in the north that PMB running mate osinbajo will christianise the north

Covidodo:

Are you dyslexic ??
You are making this unnecessarily cumbersome .

The genesis of the argument was when you stated that the Northern Christians have caught up with the South in education which made me post the Jamb statistics to bust your bubble .

Then you claimed that it was because those states had more people .
Now you are changing mouth .

I totally hate dishonest people .

PS: Stop being unnecessarily foolish . Why are you calling Yoruba people and Awo ??
I've been trying to be civil in the face of your obvious provocations .

Folks reading this can go a few pages back to see the evolution of this argument

You are the one who is ignorant. Well I don't blame you people. Many Yorubas have never left Iwo in their lives, so they hardly understand the wider Nigeria


Yes, Jamb statistics is based on indigeneship of states! For God's sake, why should states with more Indigenes be compared to state's with less Indigenes? Does it make any sense?

Pls between you or Iamgrey5, whoever is with the full list of the 36 states should post it and let us check if Ekiti, Ebonyi, Bayelsa, Cross River or Lagos states are higher than Plateau state! Thank you.

Common sense is not really common.
Why will I not bring Awo into all these? You people boast of being the most educated but yet simple contexts are difficult for you people to understand.

For God's sake, do all Nigerian states have the same numbers of Indigenes? Settlers? E.t.c?

Why then should a list based on population of Indigenes be posted yet you guys cannot still understand the factors of consideration?

Diiet:

If I get your point clearly you dislike Yorubas because majority of them worked with North to install Buhari as the president,if this is realy the case then that's a blind judgement. In the last election, Buhari Narowly lost to Atiku in your plateu state, about 468,555 of your people voted for Buhari while 548,665 gave their votes to Atiku. Some of your family members,friends,biz partners, church members etc were among the people that voted for Buhari, not ghosts, because of this what kind of thoughts do you hold about them? The type you hold about Yorubas for exercing their civic right? Think about it!
One funny thing about internet is that anybody can claim to be anything,we've seen people who took pics in front of other people's on going building projects and claim it to be theirs only for their lies to be bursted later by the real owners. But if your claims about the Kaduna projects are real then kudos to you. However, if you want to tag me for real about your future projects, the ones I'll be more interested to see are these:
1= the progress of your relationship with Ibos
2= the progress being made about the secession group of your people you already planning to float next year and
3= the cash crops you'll be taking to Europe.
Do not forget all these are your claims. Have a nice day and I wish you well in your endeavour.

Plateau voted for Buhari in 2015 .
Only Nassarawa and Taraba voted GEJ in the whole of the North in 2015.

The dude fools no one but himself

Nowenuse:


You are the one who is ignorant. Well I don't blame you people. Many Yorubas have never left Iwo in their lives, so they hardly understand the wider Nigeria


Yes, Jamb statistics is based on indigeneship of states! For God's sake, why should states with more Indigenes be compared to state's with less Indigenes? Does it make any sense?

Pls between you or Iamgrey5, whoever is with the full list of the 36 states should post it and let us check if Ekiti, Ebonyi, Bayelsa, Cross River or Lagos states are higher than Plateau state! Thank you.

Common sense is not really common.
Why will I not bring Awo into all these? You people boast of being the most educated but yet simple contexts are difficult for you people to understand.

For God's sake, do all Nigerian states have the same numbers of Indigenes? Settlers? E.t.c?

Why then should a list based on population of Indigenes be posted yet you guys cannot still understand the factors of consideration?

This is now becoming childish . Byee

Iamgrey5:
Something is seriously wrong with you tbh

You claim Northern Muslims are holding you back in Plateau from having a decent record in Academies, yet you still referenced the performance of a state with almost 60% Muslim as a state to recognize the progress of your people..

A state with a Muslim governor and deputy governor..

A state that gives Hausa Fulanis nothing less than a million votes for the past two elections.

Always flip floping like a bathroom slippers: D

No, you are the one with a bigger problem cos you cannot remove your Ngbaati ngbaati lenses and see things objectively!

First of all do you have a proof that Kaduna state is 60% muslim? Oh you will say but the Muslims dominate the politics of the state. How shallow of you!
I can give you proofs to show that Kaduna state is 50-50.

Besides, even if muslims are 60% according to you in Kaduna state.
If your upstairs functions well, The question you should ask yourself is why is it that the Hausa fulani state with the largest population of indigenous Christians always has the highest figures in Jamb?

2ndly, Talking about the Indigenous population of Kaduna state is very very different from the overall population.

A large chunk of muslims in Kaduna state are Nupes, Ebiras, Auchi, Yorubas e.t.c while others are from other Northern states.
There are also Christian settlers in Kaduna, but the numbers can never match that of muslim settlers.

So, if you take the population of Indigenes of Kaduna state, there is no way Zaria Indigenes can outnumber Southern Kaduna indigenes. IMPOSSIBLE.

Southern Kaduna Indigenes have Indigenous populations in 15 LGAs out of the 23 LGAs in Kaduna state!
You think because Muslim immigrants came and populated everywhere, then they own the state right?

In 2011, Kaduna also gave GEJ over a million votes. It was 1.2mill against 1.3 mill.

NigerianSage:



You don't even have enough oil to fill up 1 single Toyota car so what are you ranting about? You are not even part of the top 10 income generators, but Kano and Kaduna are part of the top 10 so kindly step aside.

see mumu. why you no show us video proof of your claims ? even the chikini oil still gets to the Nigerian purse.. NOTHING comes from the North.

Nowenuse:


Nairaland bans people irregularly sometimes. If u have been here long enough, u will know this.

I did not violate any of Nairaland's rules and that is why they lift the ban whenever I emailed them.

** You don't know about Ajami in Oyo empire? Is your ignorance now my fault? Mtcheew.

https://mobile.facebook.com/okehotown/posts/139773509495913?_rdc=1&_rdr

https://www.academia.edu/38302633/New_Knowledge_Old_medium_the_Yoruba_ajami_of_southwestern_Nigeria_in_the_Factory_of_Learning_

** My problem with you is that you don't even know how to use analogies. Why will u be comparing influx of outsiders into Lagos with influx of Yorubas into Ilorin?

First of all, Ilorin was already Yorubaland and there were Yoruba speakers there in spite of the Hausa fulani speakers! So it was a multilingual and multi-ethnic town at that time.

2ndly, 90% of subsequent immigrants into Ilorin were Yoruba speakers! The rest were Nupes & Baribas and not even Hausa fulanis.

Had it been there was an equal immigration of Hausa speakers into Ilorin, Hausa language wouldn't have died in Ilorin.

In the case of Lagos, Yoruba immigrants match the numbers of Non-Yorubas, hence this helped to reinforce Yoruba language. Also, the non-yoruba immigrants into Lagos are of diverse ethnic groups and not one ethnic group.
Can't you see that Yoruba language is not dominant in places like Surulere, Festac e.t.c?


I had to rezoom those Ilorin screenshot for you for the last paragraph of the 3rd screenshot that emphasized on Igbomina & Ekiti traditional rulers being appointed by the Emir of Ilorin.

I repeat go and wear your reading glasses!

You have a problem tbh

First of all, when a moniker is banned on Nairaland for making a comment and the moniker is restored, the comments made is also restored..

You can ask anyone here on Nairaland

So why wasn't your comment restored

Go over the page you archived and tell me if any specific reference was made about Ekitis and igbominas.

Ilorin Emirate only ends in four local government area in Kwara state today. Ilorin Emirate had different districts ruled on behalf of the Emir till today. All this districts is within Ilorin Emirate.

Perhaps you need a glasses


@ second point..

Ilorin also witnessed a lot of non Yoruba migration into it. There were lots of Nupe. Hausa and Bariba that came into Ilorin. So how come they had to learn Yoruba language to survive.. Even Saraki once claimed his father came into Ilorin from Mali. So how come his generation had to learn Yoruba to survive?

Maybe you don't understand your logic is defeated when you claimed a local language (Hausa language) died in a place because of a foreign language( Yoruba language).

Covidodo:

Plateau voted for Buhari in 2015 .
Only Nassarawa and Taraba voted GEJ in the whole of the North in 2015.

The dude fools no one but himself

I now wonder how many of his people he dislike because they voted Buhari. Bro pls stop going back and forth with that guy he seems to be enjoying the show,I mean the attention.

Covidodo:

Plateau voted for Buhari in 2015 .
Only Nassarawa and Taraba voted GEJ in the whole of the North in 2015.

The dude fools no one but himself

Buhari did not win Plateau in 2015. It was a 60-40. Mugu.

Diiet:

If I get your point clearly you dislike Yorubas because majority of them worked with North to install Buhari as the president,if this is realy the case then that's a blind judgement. In the last election, Buhari Narowly lost to Atiku in your plateu state, about 468,555 of your people voted for Buhari while 548,665 gave their votes to Atiku. Some of your family members,friends,biz partners, church members etc were among the people that voted for Buhari, not ghosts, because of this what kind of thoughts do you hold about them? The type you hold about Yorubas for exercing their civic right? Think about it!
One funny thing about internet is that anybody can claim to be anything,we've seen people who took pics in front of other people's on going building projects and claim it to be theirs only for their lies to be bursted later by the real owners. But if your claims about the Kaduna projects are real then kudos to you. However, if you want to tag me for real about your future projects, the ones I'll be more interested to see are these:
1= the progress of your relationship with Ibos
2= the progress being made about the secession group of your people you already planning to float next year and
3= the cash crops you'll be taking to Europe.
Do not forget all these are your claims. Have a nice day and I wish you well in your endeavour.

2019 election was nothing but a big useless fraud.

In 2015 elections, Buhari got extra 15% of Plateau people's votes cos Jang betrayed us and we wanted to break him down. Jang wanted to entrench Berom superiority in Plateau state and that is something we all fought against. That was why we elected an APC governor.

Normally, 25% of Plateau's votes are Muslims, hence it will always go for APC.
So, if you divide the Christian's votes, u will see that only a small minority of Christians voted for Buhari and those were Christians who had a hatred for Jang. Many other Christians stayed neutral and did not vote, hence making APC figures higher!

I know my people. If most of them support Buhari I go know.
If not for Jang's stupidity, APC would never have gotten anywhere in Plateau state.



To address the main issue.

If you think I will have pictures of desks being produced and students & teachers being addressed as a stolen work of someone else, then your suspicion and paranoia levels are something else. Though, I will not blame you, I will blame Nairaland and the Nigerian society on how lies have become the default, so people hardly believe the truth anymore without questioning it.

About my People's union with the Igbos and other things u requested, yes I will tag you.

I wanted to go into mini-exportation few years ago and I discovered that Ginger (of which 90% of it is being farmed by my people in Southern Kaduna) was one of the hotcakes.
Now fast forward. I am moving over to Canada immediately after this Corona epidemic. Infact I should already be there now if not for this epidemic. I have my LMI and a job already.

I will be there to receive and market my People's products to the Western world.

Perhaps you mistakenly thought I meant large cashcrop exportation? No pls. I meant mini-exportation. However, we will get to the level of large scale exportation in the shortest possible time with God on our side. Cos that is our target.
And these things are just a tip of the iceberg of what we want to do.

Hmm, and maybe you are one of those who think it will be impossible for Igbos and Northern christians to form a seccesionist alliance? Don't worry, wait and see.

Before the operation Python crackdown, why was Kanu saying that he wants to come to Kaduna for a rally?

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/07/video-will-go-lagos-kaduna-says-Igbos-nnamdi-kanu/amp/

Was it not because one of Southern Kaduna's leaders (John Danfulani) came to meet him in the SE and pledged his people's support and inclusion to BIAFRA?

https://punchng.com/southern-kaduna-will-join-biafra-if-nigeria-breaks-up-danfulani/amp/

Here in Jos, I met with the Youth leader of the Middlebelt forum last 2 months ago and he told me that he himself has met Kanu in person and told him to include Northern minorities areas into his referendum request.

So if you think it is a new thing, then you are on a long thing and in for a heart attack soon.

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richeso:


see mumu. why you no show us video proof of your claims ? even the chikini oil still gets to the Nigerian purse.. NOTHING comes from the North.

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How ignorant.

Your other brother wey run away no get sense, but hin still get sense more than you...

Abeg run along, this discussion is for adults, not 2-year-old children.

Diiet:

I now wonder how many of his people he dislike because they voted Buhari. Bro pls stop going back and forth with that guy he seems to be enjoying the show,I mean the attention.

Yeah ..I stopped alresdy .
No point with the unnecessary back and forth .

I'm even resuming work tomorrow . Less time to spend on nairaland

Nowenuse:


Buhari did not win Plateau in 2015. It was a 60-40. Mugu.



2019 election was nothing but a big useless fraud.

In 2015 elections, Buhari got extra 15% of Plateau people's votes cos Jang betrayed us and we wanted to break him down. Jang wanted to entrench Berom superiority in Plateau state and that is something we all fought against. That was why we elected an APC governor.

Normally, 25% of Plateau's votes are Muslims, hence it will always go for APC.
So, if you divide the Christian's votes, u will see that only a small minority of Christians voted for Buhari and those were Christians who had a hatred for Jang. Many other Christians stayed neutral and did not vote, hence making APC figures higher!

I know my people. If most of them support Buhari I go know.
If not for Jang's stupidity, APC would never have gotten anywhere in Plateau state.



To address the main issue.

If you think I will have pictures of desks being produced and students & teachers being addressed as a stolen work of someone else, then your suspicion and paranoia levels are something else. Though, I will not blame you, I will blame Nairaland and the Nigerian society on how lies have become the default, so people hardly believe the truth anymore without questioning it.

About my People's union with the Igbos and other things u requested, yes I will tag you.

I wanted to go into mini-exportation few years ago and I discovered that Ginger (of which 90% of it is being farmed by my people in Southern Kaduna) was one of the hotcakes.
Now fast forward. I am moving over to Canada immediately after this Corona epidemic. Infact I should already be there now if not for this epidemic. I have my LMI and a job already.

I will be there to receive and market my People's products to the Western world.

Perhaps you mistakenly thought I meant large cashcrop exportation? No pls. I meant mini-exportation. However, we will get to the level of large scale exportation in the shortest possible time with God on our side. Cos that is our target.
And these things are just a tip of the iceberg of what we want to do.

Hmm, and maybe you are one of those who think it will be impossible for Igbos and Northern christians to form a seccesionist alliance? Don't worry, wait and see.

Before the operation Python crackdown, why was Kanu saying that he wants to come to Kaduna for a rally?

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/07/video-will-go-lagos-kaduna-says-Igbos-nnamdi-kanu/amp/

Was it not because one of Southern Kaduna's leaders (John Danfulani) came to meet him in the SE and pledged his people's support and inclusion to BIAFRA?

https://punchng.com/southern-kaduna-will-join-biafra-if-nigeria-breaks-up-danfulani/amp/

Here in Jos, I met with the Youth leader of the Middlebelt forum last 2 months ago and he told me that he himself has met Kanu in person and told him to include Northern minorities areas into his referendum request.

So if you think it is a new thing, then you are on a long thing and in for a heart attack soon.

Wish you well bro

Nowenuse:


Buhari did not win Plateau in 2015. It was a 60-40. Mugu.



2019 election was nothing but a big useless fraud.

In 2015 elections, Buhari got extra 15% of Plateau people's votes cos Jang betrayed us and we wanted to break him down. Jang wanted to entrench Berom superiority in Plateau state and that is something we all fought against. That was why we elected an APC governor.

Normally, 25% of Plateau's votes are Muslims, hence it will always go for APC.
So, if you divide the Christian's votes, u will see that only a small minority of Christians voted for Buhari and those were Christians who had a hatred for Jang. Many other Christians stayed neutral and did not vote, hence making APC figures higher!

I know my people. If most of them support Buhari I go know.
If not for Jang's stupidity, APC would never have gotten anywhere in Plateau state.



To address the main issue.

If you think I will have pictures of desks being produced and students & teachers being addressed as a stolen work of someone else, then your suspicion and paranoia levels are something else. Though, I will not blame you, I will blame Nairaland and the Nigerian society on how lies have become the default, so people hardly believe the truth anymore without questioning it.

About my People's union with the Igbos and other things u requested, yes I will tag you.

I wanted to go into mini-exportation few years ago and I discovered that Ginger (of which 90% of it is being farmed by my people in Southern Kaduna) was one of the hotcakes.
Now fast forward. I am moving over to Canada immediately after this Corona epidemic. Infact I should already be there now if not for this epidemic. I have my LMI and a job already.

I will be there to receive and market my People's products to the Western world.

Perhaps you mistakenly thought I meant large cashcrop exportation? No pls. I meant mini-exportation. However, we will get to the level of large scale exportation in the shortest possible time with God on our side. Cos that is our target.
And these things are just a tip of the iceberg of what we want to do.

Hmm, and maybe you are one of those who think it will be impossible for Igbos and Northern christians to form a seccesionist alliance? Don't worry, wait and see.

Before the operation Python crackdown, why was Kanu saying that he wants to come to Kaduna for a rally?

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/07/video-will-go-lagos-kaduna-says-Igbos-nnamdi-kanu/amp/

Was it not because one of Southern Kaduna's leaders (John Danfulani) came to meet him in the SE and pledged his people's support and inclusion to BIAFRA?

https://punchng.com/southern-kaduna-will-join-biafra-if-nigeria-breaks-up-danfulani/amp/

Here in Jos, I met with the Youth leader of the Middlebelt forum last 2 months ago and he told me that he himself has met Kanu in person and told him to include Northern minorities areas into his referendum request.

So if you think it is a new thing, then you are on a long thing and in for a heart attack soon.

you guys are nothing but a joke don't just blame yorubas for your woes in years to come especially if your dream secession become nothing but a pipe dream. All these plans yet you are running to canada ba? what a comedy

Iamgrey5:
You have a problem tbh

First of all, when a moniker is banned on Nairaland for making a comment unfairly and the moniker is restored, the comments made is also restored..

You can ask anyone here on Nairaland

So why wasn't your comment restored

Go over the page you archived and tell me of any specific reference was made about Ekitis and igbominas,

Ilorin Emirate only ends in four local government area in Kwara state today. Ilorin Emirate had different districts ruled on behalf of the Emir till today. All this districts is within Ilorin Emirate.

Perhaps you need a classes..


@ second point..

Ilorin also witnessed a lot of non Yoruba migration into it. There were lots of Nupe. Hausa and Bariba that came into Ilorin. So how come they had to learn Yoruba to survive.. Even Saraki once claimed his father came into Ilorin from Mali. So how come his generation had to learn Yoruba to survive?

Maybe you don't understand your logic is defeated when you claimed a language died in a place because of a foreign language.

Die this matter jare ...
You'd just be doing unnecessary back and forth

Nowenuse:


No, you are the one with a bigger problem cos you cannot remove your Ngbaati ngbaati lenses and see things objectively!

First of all do you have a proof that Kaduna state is 60% muslim? Oh you will say but the Muslims dominate the politics of the state. How shallow of you!
I can give you proofs to show that Kaduna state is 50-50.

Besides, even if muslims are 60% according to you in Kaduna state.
If your upstairs functions well, The question you should ask yourself is why is it that the Hausa fulani state with the largest population of indigenous Christians always has the highest figures in Jamb?

2ndly, Talking about the Indigenous population of Kaduna state is very very different from the overall population.

A large chunk of muslims in Kaduna state are Nupes, Ebiras, Auchi, Yorubas e.t.c while others are from other Northern states.
There are also Christian settlers in Kaduna, but the numbers can never match that ostate lim settlers.

So, if you take the population of Indigenes of Kaduna state, there is no way Zaria Indigenes can outnumber Southern Kaduna indigenes. IMPOSSIBLE.

uuunSouthern Kaduna Indigenes have Indigenous populations in 15 LGAs out of the 23 LGAs in Kaduna state!
You think because Muslim immigrants came and populated everywhere, then they own the state right?

In 2011, Kaduna also gave GEJ over a million votes. It was 1.2mill against 1.3 mill.

Bro so after playing up the population of Muslims in your state to reduce your population, you are now increasing the christian population in Kaduna to score another. You Forgot about Taraba state which is the true reflection of your people.

No problem you have ended up defeating in your logic

if Kaduna has more christian popinulation than Muslims going by the 2006 population census that should put Kaduna christian population above 3000000 million people which is very similar to the population of Osun state.

However, Osun is always among the top three states in Jamb registration in Nigeria while Kaduna makes up 7th to 10th position..

So what other angle are you looking at?