NyenwePHC:
Lol!
Guy just read through the sentence once again and see if you make sense at all. In fact your case is comparable to someone high Colorado

NyenwePHC:
Lol!
Guy just read through the sentence once again and see if you make sense at all. In fact your case is comparable to someone high Colorado

Maximus69:


He wants to ridicule the FAITH that's working {James 2:18-26} instead of humbly learning from experienced servants of God, of course he will end up messing himself on social media! Job 5:13

freshboi88:


It is Ur teaching tht ridicules Faith. How can God create Jesus through Jesus. I am not the 1 that said it o. Go and read your Jehovah Witness bible it is there. Maybe ur elders forgot to edit tht part

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

paltielx:
YES, READ PROVERBS 8:22

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.
pls tell me d scripture passage so i read n see for myself

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

freshboi88:
Jehovah Witnesses want us to believe that Jesus is God's first creature. They quote the part of scripture that says Jesus is the first born of all God's creature.

I have just 1 verse from the bible that ridicules that false teaching.

John 1:3 God created everything through Jesus and nothing was made without him

Going by this scripture, God used Jesus to create Jesus since Jesus is God's creature and nothing was created without Jesus

I guess they have never reasoned this part of the scripture.

freshboi88:


It is Ur teaching tht ridicules Faith. How can God create Jesus through Jesus. I am not the 1 that said it o. Go and read your Jehovah Witness bible it is there. Maybe ur elders forgot to edit tht part

chidifrank:

ds passage is talking about Wisdom n not Jesus Christ

Barristter07:


They do, its you and your types that didn't reason well, Revelation 3:14 is clear enough that Jesus is the beginning of Gods creation. For a certainty he was created .

At John 1:3 the Greek word charis is defined by Strong's

5565. chóris ►
Strong's Concordance
chóris: separately, separate from
Original Word: χωρίς
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: chóris
Phonetic Spelling: (kho-rece')
Definition: separately, separate from
Usage: apart from, separately from; without.


https://biblehub.com/greek/5565.htm


The same Greek word also means Apart from him , which means John 1:3 isn't excluding Jesus from Creation but saying Apart from him ( who was directly created by God ) nothing else exist without Jesus.

Emphasis on " Apart from him " ( e.g NASB uses this )


A translator that chooses without at John 1:3 has already contradicted Rev 3:14 . that's satanic manipulation and desperate attempt to cover the loopholes of trinity teaching .

Good morning

Maximus69:


It's not difficult and there is no need for unnecessary arguments, Jesus asked his followers to go out for preaching and teaching in their neighbourhood, so go out there and start preaching and teaching those in your neighbourhood what you know about Jesus.
No wahala!

paltielx:
YES, READ PROVERBS 8:22

Janosky:


Your claim "God create Jesus through Jesus" is your own. Na you talk am.

Your claim doesn't exist in the NWT.

Please don't make your false claims and attribute it to Jehovah's witnesses.

In the other thread, I wrote "Bros,calm down.
That's from me to you.
In the other thread,i will address your questions.
We have not concluded our chat.

Shalom.

freshboi88:




Your explanation has changed the meaning of John 1:3. John under the guidance of the Holy Spirit said Everything was created through Jesus. And Nothing was created without him.

John will say without him nothing was made and will go and contradict himself at Revelation 3:14 ?

I dare you to provide the scripture that says "Apart
from Jesus every other thing was created through Jesus". Pls use any bible translation, including your own Jwit bible.....Quote it here pls. Back up ur explation of Greek translation with scripture.

freshboi88:


You have not answered me....... If Everything was created through Jesus, then how was Jesus created?.....was he also created through Jesus?

freshboi88:


No be me talk am o.....look John 1:3
John 1:3. John under the guidance of the Holy Spirit said Everything was created through Jesus. And Nothing was created without him.

I ask can u provide the scripture that says "Apart
from Jesus every other thing was created through Jesus". You can use Ur own Jehovah witness bible.....Quote it here pls

Barristter07:


Revelation 3:14 by the same John says Jesus is the beginning of Creation By God. KJV . its clear without him is a misguided translation

Are you saying John Is deluded ?

Barristter07:
Freshboi88 ... U don enter conversation u no fit handle

freshboi88:


Hahahaha.....John is not deluded, Jehovah Witnesses are. Why do I say so?

John 1:3 shows your interpretation of Rev 3:14 is wrong.

Rev 3:14 English Standard Version
“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.

Let's take a look at another version of the bible

Berean Study Bible
To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Originator of God’s creation.

So you see, it says Originator, which is a synonym for Beginning, there are other translations that say "Source". Now sincerely can these words originator, source, beginning be used interchangeably in some context?. Pls be sincere. Why do I believe my interpretation over yours. I'll tell you why

Because there are other bible verses that give credence to my interpretation of Rev 3:14. Here are some.

1 cor 15:45 New Living Translation
The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.

So you see it..
Life-giving Spirit. Source. Originator. Beginning.

If Christ is a Life gving spirit isnt he the source, the originator and beginning of Gods creature?

My friend dnt be blinded by doctrine study your bible, don't treat one verse of the bible and use it to form a doctrine.

Let me enlighten or illuminate your mind with. More bible references.

John 1:4
New Living Translation
The Word gave life to everything that was created, and his life brought light to everyone.


Romans 8:2 New Living Translation
And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death.

Again Paul in his letter refers to Jesus as the Spirit of Life. The life giving spirit. The source, the beginning and the originator of life

.These other verses are a clear explanation of Rev 3:14. This is where my interpretation comes from.

So support yours with references

freshboi88:


Before u start jumping claiming false victory pls give me bible references for your interpretation.

Also, tell me how Jesus was created, if John 1:3 says "There is Nothing that God created that wasn't created through Jesus". Was Jesus created through Jesus?

freshboi88:


You have not answered me....... If Everything was created through Jesus, then how was Jesus created?.....was he also created through Jesus?

Maximus69:
Jesus sent his followers to preach and teach, you'll never find any Nairalander to teach without them seeing how you're practicing Christianity for real face to face. Unless you just want to excuse yourself from all the stress associated with Jesus' orders.

So go out there and teach people what you know about Jesus of Nazareth face to face

Barristter07:


Freshboi88 I expected this. I know you will curse KJV and move to other versions.

Even this versions that says " Originator and source are wrong " FACT !!! 100%

Why ? Any translation that contradict the Bible is false .


Who is the source of Creation ?


1 Corinthians 8:6 reply We have one God, the Father , From whom all things are . you hear that. The Father is the Source . not Jesus


Satanic manipulations at it's best .

" Beginning " is the correct meaning of arche at Revelation 3:14 . not source or originator. It contradict the scripture. U are in a hot soup today .

Jung:
A simple question for this bro.

If you give me a straight forward answer, I'll believe anything you say.

Who is Jehovah in the bible?


Just answer this without any Okoto meow plis.


OP. I dey wait sir.