sheke01:


It is clear that you are talking as a newbie in the US ecosystem. Anybody already in the US and trying to adjust status to green card must be either working legally with H1B or other forms of work permit which the ban did not affect (and this work permits are renewable) or married to a USC. We will see how things unfold If the ban affects USC marriage based green card.

I'll drop some excerpt from experienced analyst

Trump announced that he will sign an executive order blocking most people for 60 days from receiving a permanent residency visa, or green card. But the order will still allow the government to continue processing visas for hundreds of thousands of temporary employees, including farm workers, landscapers and crab pickers — the largest source of immigration.

Why then did he make so much fuss about the ban then??


“Briefly delaying green cards for people, most of whom are already in the U.S. and working, and ignoring work visas doesn't help U.S. workers and doesn't ease pressure on hospitals, “ said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. “Can't know for sure until there's actually something official to read, but this looks more like a political gesture than a serious policy move.”

Soon after Trump finished speaking, Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who occasionally advises the president, blasted the effort, saying Trump “failed” to protect American jobs.

"Conservatives have been pushing Trump for weeks to stop allowing temporary foreign workers into the United States during the pandemic. But so far, the president has sided with business leaders who argue immigrant workers are still needed, even with so many Americans out of work, to preserve the food supply and keep other industries staffed."

"if the executive order remains in place through the fall, Trump could once make immigration a centerpiece of his campaign, the way he did in 2016 when promised to build a wall on the southern border with Mexico and deport millions of migrants who arrived in the country illegally. During the pandemic, Trump has also restricted foreign visitors from China, Europe, Canada and Mexico, and frequently touts those decisions."

“The president is using a national health crisis to pander to his political base in an election year,” said Ayda Akalin, an immigration attorney. “Announcing an executive order feels more related to making good on campaign promises than actually trying to help the American people during this crisis."

I'll still say, if you know you know

Eniolakiite:
Yes the ban doesn’t stop work visas. And work visas like H1B is not guaranteed for anyone. He rightly said it is for those trying to get their permanent residency. If you fufill all criteria for PR, you cant be denied but even if you fulfill all for work visa like H1B you can be denied because its a lottery system. And my point has been about that pausing the green card processing, it is a good move. So those in the process of getting their green card right now apart from refugees and asylum seekers will have to wait for 60 days. That’s it. People enter US in many ways and many are looking to get their green card so he is pausing such for now to attend to the unemployment claims that citizens have filed. And to me, that’s a good move. Not adding to the number of citizens or PR yet till this unexpected crisis calms down. And why should anyone be stressed that they paused their immigration?? It is his country and right now he is the leader the American people voted for him!

Everyone is entitled to their views.

justwise:


And those people can still work without green card right?

Eniolakiite:
They can but not for all jobs since they dont have that title of citizen or PR so the competition will be less and citizen and PRs can get. There are jobs in the US that are strictly for citizens and PRs. So If more people become PRs, then many people will be juggling for the jobs. That’s why the pause is needed at this time.

Eniolakiite:
They can but not for all jobs since they dont have that title of citizen or PR so the competition will be less and citizen and PRs can get. There are jobs in the US that are strictly for citizens and PRs. So If more people become PRs, then many people will be juggling for the jobs. That’s why the pause is needed at this time.

iwriterng:


Except you work in research or government jobs, you really don't need a Green Card for most jobs.

I have followed your argument on this issue closely and it lacks merit. Shutting the process down for 60 days changes nothing. If anything, the country won't recover until next year, so what exactly is the 60 days meant to do? When people are still getting laid off, and very few companies are hiring.

People like you make it sound fair that others don't deserve the opportunity that you (or your parent) had.

justwise:


Can you name those jobs only a citizen or PR holders can do?

Eniolakiite:
Many.. in diverse companies. When you’re about to apply, you’ll see it there that you must be citizen or PR. Even certain roles from big giant tech and finance companies.

justwise:


You haven't answered my question..can you name specific jobs in American reserved for citizens and PR holders only?

Eniolakiite:
It is not by profession. It is always role by role. Like a product analyst job at apple can be reserved for citizens and PRs and a marketing job at Nike can be reserved for only citizens and PRs. If you’re familiar with applying to jobs here, you’ll understand my point better.

justwise:


Basically you don't know or not sure really? I don't need to ask if you are a trumper/MAGA hat your argument regarding this issue gave you a way.

He wants to stop people from getting a green card for 60days just to protect American citizen but the same group of people can still work without green card. What a joke

justwise:


Basically you don't know or not sure really? I don't need to ask if you are a trumper/MAGA hat, your argument regarding this issue gave you a way.

He wants to stop people from getting a green card for 60days just to protect American citizen but the same group of people can still work without green card?. What a joke

Northeastern:


Justwise, I’m surprised you’re indulging her. You should have known she’s doesn’t know what she’s blabbing about.

Some think they can speak on immigration matters because they are in the US. I don’t have time to waste.

Eniolakiite:
Seems you don’t really understand how applying for jobs here work.
They can’t work for jobs meant for only citizens and PRs. They can’t. So the pause would allow citizens and PRs get those jobs. And if he adds more PRs, the competition would be too high hence the need for the pause. Do you think the bill would be passed if not logical many Americans rejoicing and happy with the decision.
It is only a joke to you tho.
Well
If anyone not fine with US immigration system, spread your tentacles honestly. The US is just one country out of many. You can consider their neighbor Canada

Northeastern:


Justwise, I’m surprised you’re indulging her. You should have known she’s doesn’t know what she’s blabbing about.

Some think they can speak on immigration matters because they are in the US. I don’t have time to waste.

justwise:


Its not a bill, its an executive order.

I'm not interested in moving to America to work, pretty happy here.

Just like Trump you have no clue what you are talking about

justwise:


Pretty much clearer now

Eniolakiite:
Thanks for the correction. I meant to say order. But because we disagree on this doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m saying. Was only explaining how applying to jobs here work. By the way if Trump doesn’t know what he is doing, he has made his decision and that’s it and he will make more decisions in the future. His citizens are happy with it. Everyone will be fine eventually.

justwise:


I'm sorry but you don't and you know that. Stop watching Fox news and read with an open mind.

sonofakin:
So much subjectivity in Eniolakiite's opinion on this issue. The argument is all one sided and sometimes she presents her opinion as if Trump told her personally why he took the decision. We have to be objective about these things, immigration and politics are wide and complicated topics that lots of people will not understand. In my case, I read about analysts views on reputable media and I read from different point of views; e.g. dems and Republicans
The USA issued about 450000 green cards throughout year. Let us assume it will be the same this year. This is still April, and if only those already in USA can apply for now, that will still be a small fraction of 450k. That is just a small number of people that we are adding to the 22m Americans that has apparently lost their jobs.
You should ask yourself whether it is a political move or not

Eniolakiite:
It might be a political move. I only made my individual opinion that it is a good move. Others can have different opinion. Analysts, reporters and members of this forum can all have their different opinion about it. I only said mine. We don’t have to agree. And regardless the decision has been made and that’s what it will be.
Buhari makes political moves and many other leaders. Most of the people complaining are potential immigrants. Citizens and PRs for which he made the decision are happy. The media can say what they like. And we all can have our opinion on it. Decision already made. Feel free to express opinion on it. Opinion is easy to make
Stay safe everyone.

Janet200:


Can you just stop!! abi na the $1200 wen the guy man share reach you make you de support am. A lot of people are dying everyday, immigration should be the least thing this period, flights are grounded for people to leave or come in. If this virus is not control how will the Americans go back to work. Since the start of this pandemic, this guy man has not said any reasonable thing about it. Health care is very expensive, no adequate supply of medical equipments, the uninsured Americans are panicking. All the guy man is thinking about is how to win November election, trying to look for who to blame and pushing the frustration to the non Americans.

Eniolakiite:
Like I have been saying everyone is entitled to their own views. You have a view. I have a view. You need a green card for most jobs. Even if you don’t start with green card, you’ll need in the long run. If not, why do people rush to have it? You are free to have your opinion and I’m free. He is being fair to American citizens. And the temporary pause is okay if you know the number of people who get US green card per day. Whether potential immigrants like it or not is not anyone’s business. His citizens deserve the opportunity and he is giving them. Foreigners deserve it too and pausing it for a while is okay too. People getting laid off and few companies hiring is why they have millions filing unemployment claims. Anyway, Everyone will be fine in the end

TWoods:


That is flatly untrue. Hundreds of thousands of people work on H1B visas for years without any problem. The greencard is useful because it helps you avoid having to renew your H1b visa almost every 1-3 years, grants you the right to travel and return to the US without having to reapply for a new visa all the time and have to explain the "reason for your visit" to the CBP officer constantly. With a greencard, you can easily switch jobs without having to file an amendment everytime you change your employer.

justwise:


Basically you don't know or not sure really? I don't need to ask if you are a trumper/MAGA hat, your argument regarding this issue gave you a way.

He wants to stop people from getting a green card for 60days just to protect American citizen but the same group of people can still work without green card?. What a joke

Eniolakiite:
I wrote for most jobs which is true. If not, why do people try so hard to get it ? Even those so called on H1B. Do you know how many people have to leave the country every time because their H1B not renewed and they don’t have green card...

TWoods:


It simply isn't true. Outside of federal government jobs and jobs where you need a security clearance, you don't need a greencard. Infact, many government jobs and virtually all security sensitive jobs are not open to greencard holders. As i said, people try hard to get a greencard because their initial purpose of coming to the US was to obtain citizenship in the first place. Also having a greencard is useful if you want the flexibility to be able to switch jobs easily. The H1b lasts 6 years, after that you need an I-140 to be able to renew the H1b visa, at high costs every time. Many H1b holders also have families, with a greencard, the spouse and kids are also able to work, which is impossible on H4 visas.

Eniolakiite:
Yes the ban doesn’t stop work visas. And work visas like H1B is not guaranteed for anyone. He rightly said it is for those trying to get their permanent residency. If you fufill all criteria for PR, you cant be denied but even if you fulfill all for work visa like H1B you can be denied because its a lottery system. And my point has been about that pausing the green card processing, it is a good move. So those in the process of getting their green card right now apart from refugees and asylum seekers will have to wait for 60 days. That’s it. People enter US in many ways and many are looking to get their green card so he is pausing such for now to attend to the unemployment claims that citizens have filed. And to me, that’s a good move. Not adding to the number of citizens or PR yet till this unexpected crisis calms down. And why should anyone be stressed that they paused their immigration?? It is his country and right now he is the leader the American people voted for him!

Everyone is entitled to their views.

Eniolakiite:
That’s untrue. You need it. For many jobs. If not why do so many people want it
You will want to apply for jobs in big tech and finance companies and even small organizations and it will be among requirements that must be a citizen or green card holder. Many jobs like that.

TWoods:


That is hubris. Trump specifically excluded the H2B visas, which his hotels and golf courses rely on and take thousands of entry-level jobs that should go to Americans each year. He excludes the H1b visas which bring in more than 85,000 foreign workers each year, more than half working on wages less than $100,000 pa. Pausing the issuance of GCs for 60 days is a complete waste of time. It will not free up a single job held by a foreigner today.