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Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 4:58pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Yes the ban doesn’t stop work visas. And work visas like H1B is not guaranteed for anyone. He rightly said it is for those trying to get their permanent residency. If you fufill all criteria for PR, you cant be denied but even if you fulfill all for work visa like H1B you can be denied because its a lottery system. And my point has been about that pausing the green card processing, it is a good move. So those in the process of getting their green card right now apart from refugees and asylum seekers will have to wait for 60 days. That’s it. People enter US in many ways and many are looking to get their green card so he is pausing such for now to attend to the unemployment claims that citizens have filed. And to me, that’s a good move. Not adding to the number of citizens or PR yet till this unexpected crisis calms down. And why should anyone be stressed that they paused their immigration?? It is his country and right now he is the leader the American people voted for him! Everyone is entitled to their views. sheke01: 3 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by justwise(m): 8:53pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: And those people can still work without green card right? |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 8:58pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
They can but not for all jobs since they dont have that title of citizen or PR so the competition will be less and citizen and PRs can get. There are jobs in the US that are strictly for citizens and PRs. So If more people become PRs, then many people will be juggling for the jobs. That’s why the pause is needed at this time. justwise: 1 Like |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by iwriterng(m): 9:09pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: Except you work in research or government jobs, you really don't need a Green Card for most jobs. I have followed your argument on this issue closely and it lacks merit. Shutting the process down for 60 days changes nothing. If anything, the country won't recover until next year, so what exactly is the 60 days meant to do? When people are still getting laid off, and very few companies are hiring. People like you make it sound fair that others don't deserve the opportunity that you (or your parent) had. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by justwise(m): 9:13pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: Can you name those jobs only a citizen or PR holders can do? |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 9:14pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Like I have been saying everyone is entitled to their own views. You have a view. I have a view. You need a green card for most jobs. Even if you don’t start with green card, you’ll need in the long run. If not, why do people rush to have it? You are free to have your opinion and I’m free. He is being fair to American citizens. And the temporary pause is okay if you know the number of people who get US green card per day. Whether potential immigrants like it or not is not anyone’s business. His citizens deserve the opportunity and he is giving them. Foreigners deserve it too and pausing it for a while is okay too. People getting laid off and few companies hiring is why they have millions filing unemployment claims. Anyway, Everyone will be fine in the end iwriterng: 2 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 9:15pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Many.. in diverse companies. When you’re about to apply, you’ll see it there that you must be citizen or PR. Even certain roles from big giant tech and finance companies. justwise: 1 Like |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by justwise(m): 9:20pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: You haven't answered my question..can you name specific jobs in American reserved for citizens and PR holders only? 3 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 9:23pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
It is not by profession. It is always role by role. Like a product analyst job at apple can be reserved for citizens and PRs and a marketing job at Nike can be reserved for only citizens and PRs. If you’re familiar with applying to jobs here, you’ll understand my point better. And some jobs you start with a short term visa status, and to retain those kind of jobs for long long term, you need green card. justwise: 2 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by justwise(m): 9:31pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: Basically you don't know or not sure really? I don't need to ask if you are a trumper/MAGA hat, your argument regarding this issue gave you a way. He wants to stop people from getting a green card for 60days just to protect American citizen but the same group of people can still work without green card?. What a joke 3 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 9:36pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Seems you don’t really understand how applying for jobs here work. They can’t work for jobs meant for only citizens and PRs. They can’t. So the pause would allow citizens and PRs get those jobs. And if he adds more PRs, the competition would be too high hence the need for the pause. Do you think the bill would be passed if not logical many Americans rejoicing and happy with the decision. It is only a joke to you tho. Well If anyone not fine with US immigration system, spread your tentacles honestly. The US is just one country out of many. You can consider their neighbor Canada justwise: 3 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Northeastern: 9:36pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
justwise: Justwise, I’m surprised you’re indulging her. You should have known she’s doesn’t know what she’s blabbing about. Some think they can speak on immigration matters because they are in the US. I don’t have time to waste. 11 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 9:39pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Everyone to their views. We don’t need to agree on everything. It’s each person sharing their perspectives Northeastern: 2 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by justwise(m): 9:42pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: Its not a bill, its an executive order. I'm not interested in moving to America to work, pretty happy here. Just like Trump you have no clue what you are talking about 12 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by justwise(m): 9:43pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Northeastern: Pretty much clearer now |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 9:45pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Thanks for the correction. I meant to say order. But because we disagree on this doesn’t mean I don’t know what I’m saying. Was only explaining how applying to jobs here work. By the way if Trump doesn’t know what he is doing, he has made his decision and that’s it and he will make more decisions in the future. His citizens are happy with it. Everyone will be fine eventually. justwise: 5 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 9:46pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
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Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by justwise(m): 9:50pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: I'm sorry but you don't and you know that. Stop watching Fox news and read with an open mind. 4 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 9:53pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
I don’t watch fox news actually. My point has been that his decision to pause immigration is a good one. I’m not sorry but I know what I know . No one has to agree with me And still his decision has been made. Not everyone will be happy with it or agree with his process. It’s just life. justwise: 4 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by sonofakin: 10:14pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
So much subjectivity in Eniolakiite's opinion on this issue. The argument is all one sided and sometimes she presents her opinion as if Trump told her personally why he took the decision. We have to be objective about these things, immigration and politics are wide and complicated topics that lots of people will not understand. In my case, I read about analysts views on reputable media and I read from different point of views; e.g. dems and Republicans The USA issued about 450000 green cards throughout year. Let us assume it will be the same this year. This is still April, and if only those already in USA can apply for now, that will still be a small fraction of 450k. That is just a small number of people that we are adding to the 22m Americans that has apparently lost their jobs. You should ask yourself whether it is a political move or not 8 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 10:19pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
It might be a political move. I only made my individual opinion that it is a good move. Others can have different opinion. Analysts, reporters and members of this forum can all have their different opinion about it. I only said mine. We don’t have to agree. And regardless the decision has been made and that’s what it will be. Buhari makes political moves and many other leaders. Most of the people complaining are potential immigrants. Citizens and PRs for which he made the decision are happy. The media can say what they like. And we all can have our opinion on it. Decision already made. Feel free to express opinion on it. Opinion is easy to make Stay safe everyone. sonofakin: 3 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Janet200: 10:37pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: Can you just stop!! abi na the $1200 wen the guy man share reach you make you de support am. A lot of people are dying everyday, immigration should be the least thing this period, flights are grounded for people to leave or come in. If this virus is not control how will the Americans go back to work. Since the start of this pandemic, this guy man has not said any reasonable thing about it. Health care is very expensive, no adequate supply of medical equipments, the uninsured Americans are panicking. All the guy man is thinking about is how to win November election, trying to look for who to blame and pushing the frustration to the non Americans. 11 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 10:40pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Well my point today has been about the pause he made which to me is okay. And whoever I support is my choice. No one has to agree with me. And every leader wants to win for second term. Ask buhari. I’m not concerned about the arrangement of any leader’s priorities. I only agree with his pause on immigration. And that is my stand. And with the virus came unemployment and hunger. Hunger can kill faster than this virus. So to me, I don’t see anything wrong with his action to pause immigration. You don’t have to agree. Janet200: 4 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by TWoods(m): 10:42pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: That is flatly untrue. Hundreds of thousands of people work on H1B visas for years without any problem. The greencard is useful because it helps you avoid having to renew your H1b visa almost every 1-3 years, grants you the right to travel and return to the US without having to reapply for a new visa all the time and have to explain the "reason for your visit" to the CBP officer constantly. With a greencard, you can easily switch jobs without having to file an amendment everytime you change your employer. 12 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 10:43pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
I wrote for most jobs which is true. If not, why do people try so hard to get it ? Even those so called on H1B. Do you know how many people have to leave the country every time because their H1B not renewed and they don’t have green card...because you don’t know those who have problems with H1B....many people always have issues with it and that’s why many people want green card, that golden confirmation that comes with no fear unlike H1B that most are afraid of uncertainty. TWoods: 2 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by TWoods(m): 10:44pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
justwise: lol i had to laugh when i saw that too. I think this was simply a way to distract from his disastrous handling of covid19 and throw red meat to his base. 5 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by TWoods(m): 10:48pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: It simply isn't true. Outside of federal government jobs and jobs where you need a security clearance, you don't need a greencard. Infact, many government jobs and virtually all security sensitive jobs are not open to greencard holders. As i said, people try hard to get a greencard because their initial purpose of coming to the US was to obtain citizenship in the first place. Also having a greencard is useful if you want the flexibility to be able to switch jobs easily. The H1b lasts 6 years, after that you need an I-140 to be able to renew the H1b visa, at high costs every time. Many H1b holders also have families, with a greencard, the spouse and kids are also able to work, which is impossible on H4 visas. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 10:49pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
If the green card is not very important for jobs, why should anyone be angry or sad about the pause on immigration.. It is very important. Benefits accompany it especially for people planning to start a family unlike being on a work visa that might stop being renewed.. my point still remains his action is good.. Green card is very vital that is why potential immigrants are feeling somehow because he paused it. 1 Like |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 10:50pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
That’s untrue. You need it. For many jobs. If not why do so many people want it You will want to apply for jobs in big tech and finance companies and even small organizations and it will be among requirements that must be a citizen or green card holder. Many jobs like that. TWoods: 1 Like |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by TWoods(m): 10:52pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: That is hubris. Trump specifically excluded the H2B visas, which his hotels and golf courses rely on and take thousands of entry-level jobs that should go to Americans each year. He excludes the H1b visas which bring in more than 85,000 foreign workers each year, more than half working on wages less than $100,000 pa. Pausing the issuance of GCs for 60 days is a complete waste of time. It will not free up a single job held by a foreigner today. 7 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by TWoods(m): 10:53pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
Eniolakiite: You keep arguing pointlessly. Care to explain why Apple, Google, Microsoft, ExxonMobil and others all hire thousands of H1B workers every year? 4 Likes |
Re: General USA Student Visa Enquiries-part 15 by Eniolakiite(f): 10:54pm On Apr 22, 2020 |
My point remains his decision to pause immigration is a good move. No one has to agree and whatever is said here doesn’t change the decision. It’s life. Some will be happy with your decision and some won’t. At least he got voted in. You can’t please everyone jare.. Everyone is entitled to their opinion TWoods: 1 Like |
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