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Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by tintingz(m): 10:06pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
shadeyinka:That's not my point, why will a designer design animals that will mate and die? Imagine yourself as a designer, will you create a thing that when they have sex they die or give birth they die? |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by hahn(m): 10:07pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
tintingz: God can do whatever it likes. You are not supposed to question it |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by tintingz(m): 10:19pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
hahn: Yeah. Even unreasonable things. 1 Like |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by Tamaratonye1(f): 10:25pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
aadoiza:I hope you are aware that even if you manage to disprove evolution today, it does not in anyway demonstrate that atheism is faulty? |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by hahn(m): 10:27pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
tintingz: Does god do anything reasonable to start with? The guy ya werey gan 2 Likes |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by Nobody: 11:18pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Lol 1 Like |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by shadeyinka(m): 11:46pm On Apr 23, 2020 |
tintingz:And they successfully passed down their genes down till the year 2020? Do you know that your spermatozoa alone out of almost 300million sperms died on the way to fertilize the egg that formed you? Okay! You believe it was EVOLUTION? If it was evolution, shouldn't such animals like the praying mantis disappear from the surface of the earth? Ask yourself: from the theory of evolution is that an efficient means of passing down the genetic information? |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by aadoiza: 5:27am On Apr 24, 2020 |
Tamaratonye1:Of course it doesn't. I just don't get why atheists are so hellbent on supplanting creation with a silly theory. Even if they're gonna kill creation they, at least, should demonstrate a considerable level of ingeniosusness doing so and come up with a more credible and laudable theory, not this cringeworthy guff. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by aadoiza: 5:54am On Apr 24, 2020 |
LordReed:I must have missed it while rushing through the article. I'm sure there are more atheists doing it than Christians, as there are more Christians preaching spiritualism than spiritual atheists. And that is coming from my interactions with many people on different platforms. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by aadoiza: 6:03am On Apr 24, 2020 |
tintingz:Shey you never hear say variety is the spice of life ni? If the designer make all of us the same, people like go say he's uncreative. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by Tamaratonye1(f): 7:03am On Apr 24, 2020 |
aadoiza:If life on the planet did not occur naturally, then where did it come from? What evidence do you have that magical flying sky beings are real and then capable of creating a universe? |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by shadeyinka(m): 7:38am On Apr 24, 2020 |
Tamaratonye1:What's your EVIDENCE? |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by aadoiza: 7:52am On Apr 24, 2020 |
Tamaratonye1:Things don't just spring into existence from nowhere. But if you believe otherwise, you could show me what you have witnessed magically come into existence on earth. I don't know of the 'magical flying beings' you speak of, but do believe the One that created our world is Lord over all 'magical flying beings' and us. And as for the evidence, the best we've hot is the scriptures, which I presume will not be enough for a sceptical materialist. Suppose I were, I definitely won't, to take the trouble to lead to people who would open your eyes to realities beyond your wildest dreams, they still could not show you, if you retained your sanity, the Creator. No matter your efforts you will never see the Creator in this world. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by shadeyinka(m): 7:53am On Apr 24, 2020 |
budaatum:Hi Buda, Long time Oh sorry for the use of the phrase "rodent family": I should have looked for a better name but I am no biologist. You know this occured almost 600million years ago and the parent rodents we had then are very different from the modern rodent such as rats. Both the order Chiroptera and the order Rodentia are very modern and they evolved from the parent rodent stock. LoL! So many things can be hidden under this theory. It's the equivalent of the "God of the gaps"! Hope you are clear now. If you know the proper biological name, state it and I'll make the corrections. Thanks |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by aadoiza: 7:55am On Apr 24, 2020 |
shadeyinka:C'mon... 1 Like |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by budaatum: 11:24am On Apr 24, 2020 |
aadoiza:Actually, scientists, as in those who use their senses, are "the No 1 peddlers of evolution", and if you trully read your Bible starting at Genesis and working your way to the end instead of the a la carte reading most do in church, you'd see YHWH evolved into Jesus Christ. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by budaatum: 11:28am On Apr 24, 2020 |
shadeyinka:No, you are no biologist, and you probably aren't a scientist neither, and instead of learning so you evolve, you refuse to be reborn, showing why it is said that it is easier for a camel to enter through the needle's eye. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by shadeyinka(m): 11:51am On Apr 24, 2020 |
budaatum:Stop whining! Why complain over things you knew happened over 600million years ago. We're you there? What scientific evidence do you have? BTW, Jesus said that: Mat 19:23-24: "Then said Jesus to his disciples, Truly I say to you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." When you think you know all and have it all, your salvation is impossible! |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by budaatum: 12:15pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
shadeyinka:First, I'm not the one whinning. You opened the thread. Evolution is not a "over 600 million years ago happening thing". And the rich man was poor in knowledge, is precisely Jesus' point. He would not have healed sight if he did not want you to have knowledge gained by the use of the senses. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by shadeyinka(m): 12:19pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
budaatum:Ordinary comprehension of English language. Check your first sentence. The rich man's cup is already full. He has everything he thinks he needed. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by budaatum: 12:24pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
shadeyinka:His cup is full of everything "he thinks" he needs, and not "full of everything he needs". He ignorantly stores wealth that moths eat or the rain come down, the streams rise, and the winds blow and beat against his house, and it falls with a great crash. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by tintingz(m): 12:38pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
shadeyinka: They pass down their genetic but die after that, nature doesn't favour them when it comes to long term mating like other specie. My own argument is not about evolution, my argument is when you mentioned a design. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by tintingz(m): 12:40pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
hahn:Lol. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by tintingz(m): 12:41pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
aadoiza: What's creative when you design something that when they f*ck it's their death sentence? What purpose is that for? |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by LordReed(m): 12:41pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
aadoiza: So the idea that evolution is an atheist propaganda is hogwash. There is nothing atheist about evolution, it is bare faced fact. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by LordReed(m): 1:09pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
shadeyinka: No it does not because the point is threat is not the only thing that makes organisms evolve.
Why do you keep making these kinds of irrelevant comparisons? BTW those terms negroid and the like are not used any more you really should update your sources. For evidence check here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?linkname=pubmed_pubmed&from_uid=21236972
What is it's relevance to this discussion?
What has interbreeding got to do with it? I already pointed out ability to interbreed is one of the criteria for denoting species. What has that got to do with this?
Selection pressures allowed the ability to become multicellular to come to the fore. Traits do not have to be in DNA before selection pressures starts to work
That is after they are in the the DNA. DNA does not contain everything that will ever be, it gets changed to express traits as time progresses.
Go tell the Academy of Sciences that, don't argue it with me, go convince the scientists of that. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by shadeyinka(m): 1:16pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
tintingz:You are the one who is making that conclusion. If they have apparently survived millions of years and they are not extinct; It is a good design! A bad design is one that either does not do not incapable of doing what it is intended (designed) to do. Can biological cells divide indefinitely? Theoretically yes, but practically no. That's why aging take place and before the aged dies, there is reproduction and new cells take over. The cycle of life had been part of the design. Let me give you a good example of design: Remember the Apollo Mission? The Saturn V rocket has three stages. The first stage shot the rocket up about 42 miles (68 kilometers) and the second stage carried the rocket even closer to orbit. The third stage placed the Apollo spacecraft into Earth orbit and pushed it toward the moon. Each of the rockets powering each stages are dropped at the end of their function. By the time the rocket get to the moon, it is less than 20% of the investment of what it started with. At the end of the mission, about 10% of the total mass sent to space returns back to earth with mission accomplished. Do you think this is a BAD design? |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by budaatum: 1:34pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
shadeyinka:This just shows how little your knowledge of evolution is, and instead of learning about it you cover your eyes so you cannot see! www.nairaland.com/attachments/9603990_ubznnd_jpegff60185854e0e516d08863f4bfdae383 |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by Tamaratonye1(f): 2:14pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
aadoiza:"One that created"? How do you know our world was created? I'd like to know how our world was created by any cosmic overlord. Perhaps, you can demonstrate this? aadoiza:Ok. But you have some magical abilities that lets you communicate with this so called "Creator". Some of your type even claim to know what it likes and dislikes, and how it acts etc. Oga just say you don't have any objective evidence for claims. I will not beat you lol |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by shadeyinka(m): 2:14pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
LordReed:Are you insinuating that all species are evolving aimlessly in no particular direction? This your theory goes against what Darwin will call survival of the fittest. I wish you can find a link to support your claim that organisms do not need any external factors to evolve. LordReed:You very well understand what I'm saying. If without the knowledge of hindsight, all we have are skeletons of the Black Race, the Caucasian, the Abogerin, the Asian (Chinese) races alone. Would we not have concluded they they probably evolved from one to another? That's the point. Skeletons/Fossil's lead no where? LordReed:The initial question from me was: Changes in kinds are demonstrable scientifically. It's a form of selection that is true. BUT Is there a single scientific evidence for a change in species through evolution you know? You replied with: Kinds is not a scientific term so maybe rephrase? You asked for what the term kinds means and I gave you with examples. And also showed you that kinds is equivalent to breeds . LordReed:You used the term selection pressures. Don't you think it contradicts the fact that threats/pressures may not be needed for evolution to take place? LordReed:When mutations happen to DNA, do they result into benefiting properties in the specie? Eg. Do you think a specie could have a superior property when you irradiate it's sperm/egg to nuclear radiation? When a person has XXY gene, instead of XX or XY, does it give a superior property to the specie? How then will you just assume that changes in the DNA will gravitate into producing offspring of higher virility? About the Academy of Science: they are not infallible and some of us dare think differently! |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by tintingz(m): 2:16pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
shadeyinka: You're still not getting the point. The point is not passing their genes, octopus do lay many eggs, the point is the mating process. An octopus will have one night stand and they die shortly after that while other specie don't. If there's a designer that's intelligent, what intelligence or purpose is behind this? This make sense in a naturalism point of view, but I've not seen any sense in the theists view that claim everything has a purpose. |
Re: Evolution of the Porcupine and Bat by shadeyinka(m): 2:40pm On Apr 24, 2020 |
budaatum:Buda, you are much more than this. I didn't say humans came from monkeys neither did I insinuate that. And my argument wasn't about the evolution of the praying mantis. Here was what you quoted: If it was evolution, shouldn't such animals like the praying mantis disappear from the surface of the earth? The argument wasn't about the evolution of the praying mantis. The argument (with tintingz) was about efficient or inefficient design because the male praying mantis (or chameleon) gets eaten up by the female during copulation. My argument was that the design has fulfilled it's purpose if the praying mantis has not gone out of extinction even in 2020 because of what we consider as a strange reproductive method. Any design that fulfils it's purpose is successful! |
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