9jatriot:
Let us use this analogy to answer your question. Imagine a bank like GTB with many branches all over the country. In this case, let FG be the employer the same way GTB is the employer, let the branches be like the different federal universities all over the country.

Now imagine one staff employed in Ado Ekiti branch of GTB and collecting salary from there, can this same staff go to GTB in Aba branch to be working and collecting salary without affecting his work at his parent branch in Ado Ekiti? So FG, the employer is saying if you are in a federal university in Ado Ekiti, let us know you are there and know those in Aba federal university.

Lecturers will argue that sometimes they go on sabbatical leave from one university to the other, a GTB staff will also argue that sometimes, he can leave that Ado Ekiti branch to Aba branch for a period of time for may audit or special job that he has to do. In this case, the employer (GTB) will be aware and pay him accordingly. But ASUU want FG to pay them salary in Ado Ekiti and same thing in Aba university, if you are the employer will you agree?

I understand you but you are not well informed

Universities BY LAW are not branches in the same way as the GTB example you cite and I understand why many are confused because it is government money funding them

The matter is one of law.

BY LAW specifically the Universities Autonomy Act 2003

Each University is a stand alone autonomous entity under a governing council with clear autonomy specified in the legislation.

It is possible for an employer to specify at the time of employment IN CONTRACT that the employer works exclusively for them. Is that in the current contract? That is the kernel of the matter. If it is and any breaches exist the individual universities should take action against specific violators.
It is a breach of the autonomy for Abuja to intervene.
If government does not like the effect of the Act then they should repeal it not act unilaterally in a way that creates the impression of undermining the Autonomy Act in an autocratic manner

jolyment:


CBN is the custodian of BVN and FG owns CBN. That's why people are saying they should access their bvn from their account numbers.

It doesn't work that way.

People should stop trying to have any opinion about things they
know nothing about.

It's like saying people looking for government jobs shouldn't submit their CV since NYSC has their details and the government owns NYSC.

Does that make sense?
Protocols exist for a reason.

leosahm:
abeg make the strike continue ooo, i neva ge money to carry sort ooooo

Which school?

9jatriot:
You are also correct but in your example you used a state university and a federal university. In this case, I think it is what they refer in academic cycles as visiting lecturers, that is a documented process.
Assuming we take UI and Unilag since they are a little close to each other and are both federal schools. The FG wants to be sure that no lecturer is drawing full salary from both schools. So, if a lecturer in UI happens to be handling a research in Unilag, nothing wrong with that, but FG wants to know what exactly you are doing. So that if there is need to only pay you basic salary in one school and research allowance in the other school, you will be entitled to it. Since the employer says this is what we want, when did employees start dictating mode of payment?

Now this is well explained and understood, but FG self wey dey collect money from almost every corner nko them no go do dem checks and balances now

ejibaba:


Exactly the point... Government has it why ask them to submit? Pally, they are not ready to pay...The so called multiple salaries are sabbaticals and adjunct positions, which is normal within the university system globally...why is it a problem in Nigeria...Excess workload is for teaching more than 30 students and that's in your school not other schools

Are you sure?

GreenKalada:


It's very wrong because we have graduates who could have occupied those jobs

MSc. and PhD are needed to teach in universities not BSc.

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ejibaba:


They are not complaining of excess workload from other schools stop this crap. It's well... you guys are paid 30k to run down other people's life...keep it up...

This is not an issue of excess workload...it's about a policy that will affect the university system...how much do you think University lecturers earn?? How much?? That will warrant unnecessary frustration from government...

A school in UK and even SA will employ a supervisor for you for the 2 or more years period of your thesis and dissertation. There is
exchange program and a host of other programs that allows a lecturer learn salary from her school and other schools that their services are rendered temporarily.

Don't join this government destroy the public universities because the government will come and go but Nigeria will remain and when your children complain of the terrible state of our Universities be so sure you will be bold to tell them you collected 30k to through social media destroy the university system.

With all due respect sir/ma, no one is paid to castigate the reputation of the lecturers.

Some of the lecturers are evil both physically and spiritually. What is the essence of having multiple jobs without the ability to deliver in all.

They (lecturers) are the paramount reasons why we have incompetent graduates almost every where in our country today. Not that they don't know what to lecture but multiple commitments will not grant them privilege to perform well. They are molesting students from poor back ground simply because their own children are not even in Nigeria, some are in Private Schools.

I will not be surprise to hear that some of the lecturers who died years ago are still receiving monthly salary and that could be one of the reasons why they can never advertise vacancy in universities.

Lecturers please submit ur BVN by ur self.
Government please after lecturers other federal government employees should follow suit.

linearity:


The FG is doing the right thing here, you can’t be a full time employee in more than one company, neither should lecturers.

You will agree that, there is corruption in Nigeria and to fight it, the way things use to be done have to change.

If the demand is trivial and Lecturers have been open about their work with multiple institutions, why the push back on producing their BVN?

No lecturers can be on full-time in more than one school.

What's the big deals submitting your BVN

erad:


It doesn't work that way.

People should stop trying to have any opinion about things they
know nothing about.

It's like saying people looking for government jobs shouldn't submit their CV since NYSC has their details and the government owns NYSC.

Does that make sense?
Protocols exist for a reason.

The reason why lecturers said they won't submit bvn is because FG can use it to migrate them to IPPIS. Mind you, ASUU has told FG to ensure their peculiarities are captured in IPPIS but government said no.

ejibaba:


Exactly the point... Government has it why ask them to submit? Pally, they are not ready to pay...The so called multiple salaries are sabbaticals and adjunct positions, which is normal within the university system globally...why is it a problem in Nigeria...Excess workload is for teaching more than 30 students and that's in your school not other schools

it's not about adjunct and sabbatical as you've said. Its about full time lecturers of a university taking up another full time lecturing Job in another university. I know a lecture who is a doctor in a federal university, he is also a full time lecturer (and HOD) in a state university, all within the same state. Tell me how he can be fully productive in the two jobs he is engaged in. And there are thousands of intelligent jobless people who even have PhD and are willing to take up this jobs.

sorom4:
How is it a crime to have many jobs?

U mean it is fair to surpress those that are qualified and jobless. I laughed at those supporting ASUU's stance. If u had your education up to at least M.Sc level, u will understand what goes on in the university system. ASUU is more corrupt than the devil himself. Take it or leave it.

Ordinary submit BVN and ASUU is scrambling up and down. Inasmuch as I don't like this government, let's call a spade a spade. A lot of this lecturers are ghost workers collecting full salary in 3 different institutions. No one says u can work elsewhere but ur primary employer should know. It's called other business interest and every employer paying ur bills has the right to this information. It's like you a staff of MTN at the same time your company is the one supplying diesel to thier generators. If they find out without u stating it, that's authomatic sack for conflict of interest. How can the government be paying u in UNIBEN and at the same time paying u in full in UNILAG. U should only earn full pay in one varsity and be paid on contract basis in the other institutions. Hence u aren't entitled to gratuity in more than one institution for the same employer. Many of this ASUU lecturers have even abandoned thier primary institution and and working freely elsewhere even outside d country. We can continue to agitate for senators to cut down allowances but that's an issue that only constitutional amendment would take care of. As for ASUU they just need to come clean cos I don't see this war they are waging as being in the best interest of Nigerian students.

GamalNasser:
Is There is something sinister those lecturers are hiding because i don't see the big deal in submitting BVN for payroll purposes..Well what's even stopping the govt from getting their BVN through bank account , they don't even need to have asked the lecturers for it

Exactly!

Can someone please explain to me why a lecturer can't teach in two universities at the same time, or be a university lecturer and collect project outside as an architect or something?

xpiranza88:
Every account has bvn so fg has no excuse not to pay... Is just a tactical way of registering them for ippis which lectures refuse...they will get their Pay last last every dime of it..

Exactly!

9jatriot:
You are also correct but in your example you used a state university and a federal university. In this case, I think it is what they refer in academic cycles as visiting lecturers, that is a documented process.
Assuming we take UI and Unilag since they are a little close to each other and are both federal schools. The FG wants to be sure that no lecturer is drawing full salary from both schools. So, if a lecturer in UI happens to be handling a research in Unilag, nothing wrong with that, but FG wants to know what exactly you are doing. So that if there is need to only pay you basic salary in one school and research allowance in the other school, you will be entitled to it. Since the employer says this is what we want, when did employees start dictating mode of payment?

The FG may

Want to know

But they have to make laws to facilitate that.

I know because we have been militarised for do long many do not understand this

The status quo in law is that the FG is a legal person. The FG IS NOT the Lecturers employer even it it were that does not give it the right or authority to know everything it WANTS TO KNOW anymore than any other employer

The university is a legal person separate from government.
We struggle to grasp this and assume government can do anything it likes

With regard to paying research grant in one school etc. That is a market force contractual issue.

If UI thinks it is good value for them to pay x to Mr Y that is their issue. It is not a moral issue.

If there is any law against that it should be enforced.

This is because the government is never serious with IT. Why not get these BVN from banks. If they have not been using BVN to do the needful up till now allowing people to collect multiple salaries, then what's the essence of the BVN that we all have? You don't need the lecturers to provide BVN because banks already have them. All you need to do is to get the account numbers of all federal workers not only lecturers and their corresponding BVN from the banks. Ordinary Excel spreadsheet can filter out duplicate BVN.

jolyment:


The reason why lecturers said they won't submit bvn is because FG can use it to migrate them to IPPIS. Mind you, ASUU has told FG to ensure their peculiarities are captured in IPPIS but government said no.

There is a flaw in this argument.

A government that has refused to illegally access your BVN without your permission, is it the same government that will illegally deceive you to join a plan you are clearly against?

If the government wanted to do that, why not just go all the way and dig out their BVNs without their permission as well.

That's what propaganda looks like, it's never rational.

kikero:
The reason why lecturers have multiple jobs is simple...Nigeria does not have enough lecturers.

Indeed, the NUC issued a report in 2012 that pointed this problem of lecturer shortages out. And 8 years later, it is still a big problem

As a result, lecturers have jobs in 2 or 3 universities, because if they did not, many of those universities, mostly private, would lose their accreditation immediately. And with the number of people writing and passing JAMB far higher than the number of available spaces for them in university, that is a disaster waiting to happen.

Also, there is something called 'sabbatical' where lectures go and do some academic work elsewhere in another university, using facilities that their uni might not have. If government cuts that off because they want to stop waste...what would happen next.

Yes, let us get this IPPIS thing on the ground...but let the Educaiton ministry be realistic....otherwise, we may end up with universities lacking lecturers.

I disagree. We have lots of lecturers.

But there's a caucus at ASUU that have sat on top all the jobs so that people like you or me won't get a chance to even apply.

Have you seen the requirements to get a lecturing job?

Some of these men want to die in the lecture hall sef. Some have been teaching since before I was born. Leave that thing.

kokoA:
Lecturers be complaining of excess workload in their primary place of work yet they work in multiple universities.. I don gerrit mehn.. They want government to be paying them for excess workloads in multiple universities.. Haba!

Excess workload entails teaching more than 30 students. Some lecturers teach up to 4 courses per semester while in their visiting schools it one or two depending on the school. Most of them teach at private universities with less students compare to public universities.

So in this country we don't have any working body except ASUU ASUU all the time

Etuagievin:
. Whats wrong with submitting BVN again. Its a simple rule . By asking for BVN I don't think Govt want to destroy our universities, maybe they did so in the past,but let sanity start somewhere. Lecturers on their part are amongst the most reprehensible work force that FG have. Give them the billions they need you will still see rot in our schools.

Oyo state govt requested for all staffs bvn at lautech this year febuary so as to update their database and payroll. They responded positively.

erad:


There is a flaw in this argument.

A government that has refused to illegally access your BVN without your permission, is it the same government that will illegally deceive you to join a plan you are clearly against?

If the government wanted to do that, why not just go all the way and dig out their BVNs without their permission as well.

That's what propaganda looks like, it's never rational.

I understand your point .

cybertron88:
Ordinary submit BVN and ASUU is scrambling up and down. Inasmuch as I don't like this government, let's call a spade a spade. A lot of this lecturers are ghost workers collecting full salary in 3 different institutions. No one says u can work elsewhere but ur primary employer should know. It's called other business interest and every employer paying ur bills has the right to this information. It's like you a staff of MTN at the same time your company is the one supplying diesel to thier generators. If they find out without u stating it, that's authomatic sack for conflict of interest. How can the government be paying u in UNIBEN and at the same time paying u in full in UNILAG. U should only earn full pay in one varsity and be paid on contract basis in the other institutions. Hence u aren't entitled to gratuity in more than one institution for the same employer. Many of this ASUU lecturers have even abandoned thier primary institution and and working freely elsewhere even outside d country. We can continue to agitate for senators to cut down allowances but that's an issue that only constitutional amendment would take care of. As for ASUU they just need to come clean cos I don't see this war they are waging as being in the best interest of Nigerian students.

Bless you jare.

nairavsdollars:
Whats wrong in lecturers having multiple jobs? As long as they are not ghost workers

The question should be what is wrong with lecturers abandoning their primary assignment? Imagin a lecturer attending his/her lectures once or twice in a complete semester as a result of being a visiting lecturer in other university, if this is not wickedness then tell me what it is. If you think one lecturer lecturing in 5 different university is not a degradation of the education system, then i have nothing to do than to respect your opinion.

mikeapollo:
Foolish talk by FGN.
If the lecturers have more than one job, what would the govt. do when there is scarcity of qualified lecturers in Nigerian universities? Many lecturers teach in private universities and you cannot force them to sack the lecturers. At the end of the day, federal universities would lose many lecturers and the rot in our educational system would continue.
Some school cert dropouts are receiving millions per month as politicians and you have the guts to blame lecturers for having multiple jobs when you pay them pittance!!.

WHO TOLD U THAT THERE IS SCARCITY OF QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS. I DOUBT IF U ARE IN NIGERIA.

okpalaAnambra:
Fg is simply foolish..there is nothing with having multiple jobs so far u fulfil your roles...that's how it is done abroad, many people take different jobs

There is nothing wrong in having multiple jobs but in their case, their is something wrong. It's same as doctors in government hospitals operating their own private hospitals. They rarely care much about their government job because it's government job, and many a times normally diverts patients to their private hospitals for property attention and care.
Same applies to these lecturers. They have one or two private universities where they work with utmost seriousness and usually care less about their primary employment. They are always not around in their offices or at lectures because they are out there hustling.

Thanks a lot for trying to make it clear but I happen to disagree a bit. If the universities are as autonomous as they want to make us believe, why then do they not set the salary themselves and pay themselves from their IGR?

Are you also insinuating that the FG cannot mandate their universities through the VCs to do a screening of the certificate of all staffs (academic and non academic) that they have employed to ensure they meet up with the standard?

Are you also insinuating that the FG does not have a right to check all federal universities to ascertain what facilities that are lacking in order to make arrangement to provide for them since as you would have me believe, there is a law that prevents FG from poking into their affairs?

omonnakoda:

The FG may

Want to know

But they have to make laws to facilitate that.

I know because we have been militarised for do long many do not understand this

The status quo in law is that the FG is a legal person. The FG IS NOT the Lecturers employer even it it were that does not give it the right or authority to know everything it WANTS TO KNOW anymore than any other employer

The university is a legal person separate from government.
We struggle to grasp this and assume government can do anything it likes

With regard to paying research grant in one school etc. That is a market force contractual issue.

If UI thinks it is good value for them to pay x to Mr Y that is their issue. It is not a moral issue.

If there is any law against that it should be enforced.

omonnakoda:

Government cannot be plaintiff and judge in it's own matter.
The same reliefs that are available to ANY OTHER EMPLOYER in such a situation are what should be available to government if we operate rule of law.

You say
you can’t be a full time employee in more than one company, neither should lecturers

Is that a moral or legal issue. What does the employment contract say.?

If Lecturers are in breach of contract then follow the law just like ANY OTHER EMPLOYER

This is a clear case of Guilty until proven innocent. To make allegations about double jobs and all of that is interesting but

The key issues are

What does the employment contract say
Where is the evidence of this
Is unilateral action the solution

If any individual Lecturer breaches his contract or breaks the law does that mean collective punishment is the solution ?
Gather the evidence and prosecute or sanction him appropriately.

All I can see is an assumption that this is happening without a shred of evidence that is the case or even that it breaches their contract

Surely the government has all the resources to provide evidence of just ONE CASE?

You made a valid point, let’s take the simple scenario of employer vs employee that you have laid out here.

If e.g. your current employer (assuming you are in the private sector aka not employer by the Government), ask you to present your BVN as a condition to obtaining your salary, are you saying your employer doesn’t have the right to do that and must obtain the leave of a court?

That is not true, even if you run to a court, it will be hard to find any court that will side with you. BVN is a valid law in this country, it was done to check fraud among other things and it is not a burdensome requirement for you to produce one, since by the operation of the law, you already got one....Plus, you may not even have standing to bring the suit, because you can’t provide any damage that will you will legally suffer by producing one.

FG has at one stage said they did not employ ASUU as a body, they employed individual lecturers.

If FG has no right to ask for their BVN, what right then does FG have to ask for their account number to pay them. I don't know if you understand my logic here? It is like saying FG cannot ask the lecturers for their tax clearance certificates when even embassies that are not even your employers will demand for these info and they will willingly give it to them.

No matter how hard anyone tries to paint it, it is looking more and more like a case of having something to hide.

omonnakoda:

I understand you but you are not well informed

Universities BY LAW are not branches in the same way as the GTB example you cite and I understand why many are confused because it is government money funding them

The matter is one of law.

BY LAW specifically the Universities Autonomy Act 2003

Each University is a stand alone autonomous entity under a governing council with clear autonomy specified in the legislation.

It is possible for an employer to specify at the time of employment IN CONTRACT that the employer works exclusively for them. Is that in the current contract? That is the kernel of the matter. If it is and any breaches exist the individual universities should take action against specific violators.
It is a breach of the autonomy for Abuja to intervene.
If government does not like the effect of the Act then they should repeal it not act unilaterally in a way that creates the impression of undermining the Autonomy Act in an autocratic manner

kikero:
The reason why lecturers have multiple jobs is simple...Nigeria does not have enough lecturers.

Indeed, the NUC issued a report in 2012 that pointed this problem of lecturer shortages out. And 8 years later, it is still a big problem

As a result, lecturers have jobs in 2 or 3 universities, because if they did not, many of those universities, mostly private, would lose their accreditation immediately. And with the number of people writing and passing JAMB far higher than the number of available spaces for them in university, that is a disaster waiting to happen.

Also, there is something called 'sabbatical' where lectures go and do some academic work elsewhere in another university, using facilities that their uni might not have. If government cuts that off because they want to stop waste...what would happen next.

Yes, let us get this IPPIS thing on the ground...but let the Educaiton ministry be realistic....otherwise, we may end up with universities lacking lecturers.

Bros. We would not end up.with universities lacking lecturers. Other qualified people would apply and get the positions. They are occupying the space of well meaning Nigerians that can contribute to knowledge.