erad:


Thank you very much.

See ignorant people up there saying rubbish about the government having their bvn without realizing that just because they have it does not make it legal for them to access it.

If the government decides to extract the bvn without the lecturers permission, it's the same simpletons that will shout tyranny.

Nigerians always think they know all, when they know absolutely nothing.

I'm waiting for the day Nigerians will start approaching issues from a position of objectivity and no through personal/political sentiments and bias.

If you know the amount of clueless dumbtards that roams social media, you'll pray for this country...

Na wa o
Wetin man go do

I gat to hussle make all my children fit go private schools

FG and ASUU know wetin dere dey do

wolfenstein:

Bro I understand u very well, but if a lecturer his parent University is uniben and assuming he lectures in business administration, his lecture time is let's say 9am-1pm and then he has another lecture in Ambrose Alli University by 4pm-6pm then it should be the school that invited him that will pay him his salary and not the FG, as far as he does his work well. I don't really see it as much of a problem.

God bless u. In this your quoted comment, it is acceptable. That is the receives salary from the state govt (AAU) and FG (UNIBEN). What FG is trying to avoid is to get the lecturer paid in both federal institution (say uniben and futa). No sensible lecturer will work that way. So, let them drop their bvn.

ejibaba:


They are not complaining of excess workload from other schools stop this crap. It's well... you guys are paid 30k to run down other people's life...keep it up...

This is not an issue of excess workload...it's about a policy that will affect the university system...how much do you think University lecturers earn?? How much?? That will warrant unnecessary frustration from government...

A school in UK and even SA will employ a supervisor for you for the 2 or more years period of your thesis and dissertation. There is
exchange program and a host of other programs that allows a lecturer learn salary from her school and other schools that their services are rendered temporarily.

Don't join this government destroy the public universities because the government will come and go but Nigeria will remain and when your children complain of the terrible state of our Universities be so sure you will be bold to tell them you collected 30k to through social media destroy the university system.

Don't mind them. A lot of folks are displaying their ignorance here. They're joining government and cajoling ASUU to enroll in the fraudulent IPPIS

I'm highly disappointed.

linearity:


You made a valid point, let’s take the simple scenario of employer vs employee that you have laid out here.

If e.g. your current employer (assuming you are in the private sector aka not employer by the Government), ask you to present your BVN as a condition to obtaining your salary, are you saying your employer doesn’t have the right to do that and must obtain the leave of a court?

That is not true, even if you run to a court, it will be hard to find any court that will side with you. BVN is a valid law in this country, it was done to check fraud among other things and it is not a burdensome requirement for you to produce one, since by the operation of the law, you already got one....Plus, you may not even have standing to bring the suit, because you can’t provide any damage that will you will legally suffer by producing one.

Your employer is not your owner you are not a slave. I know chronic unemployment has produced extreme submissiveness.

1st Government is not the Lecturers employer.
You need to understand the concept of a "legal person" so whether or not employer can ask for BVN is an irrelevance
2nd the concept of ""RIGHTS" and " AUTHORITY "
A right is not the same thing as authority or power.


An employer may have the authority to request or demand BVN if backed by law especially at the time of employment. After years of employment to wake up and say produce your NEPA BILL ,voters card or no salary is funny.

You say BVN is a valid law in Nigeria, no one is disputing that but what exactly does it say on this matter. I can see you were deliberately vague because you don't know. There are hundreds of "valid laws" in Nigeria so what?
Are there no laws for voters cards does that give employer authority to demand it before paying salaries?


My whole thing here is we need to understand how democracy and rule of law works and follow due process

nuelyoyo:
it's not about adjunct and sabbatical as you've said. Its about full time lecturers of a university taking up another full time lecturing Job in another university. I know a lecture who is a doctor in a federal university, he is also a full time lecturer (and HOD) in a state university, all within the same state. Tell me how he can be fully productive in the two jobs he is engaged in. And there are thousands of intelligent jobless people who even have PhD and are willing to take up this jobs.

Well, I will not want to doubt you since I'm not the said environment. However, do note that a lecturer on sabbatical or adjunct can also be HOD, Dean and whatever position in an alternate University. Also, you may shock to know that having a PhD gets you Lecturer II and that level is not allowed to teach postgraduate programme. Also, people in that category accounts for less than 5% of workforce so it doesn't make sense.

Also, not that another reason is for this is expertise and experience, how many PhD has that? Bros, baba is not ready to pay simple.

9jatriot:
FG has at one stage said they did not employ ASUU as a body, they employed individual lecturers.

If FG has no right to ask for their BVN, what right then does FG have to ask for their account number to pay them. I don't know if you understand my logic here? It is like saying FG cannot ask the lecturers for their tax clearance certificates when even embassies that are not even your employers will demand for these info and they will willingly give it to them.

No matter how hard anyone tries to paint it, it is looking more and more like a case of having something to hide.

Federal government DID NOT EMPLOY ANY LECTURERS

Lecturers are not government employees by law.

Try and comprehend that before replying.
Universities are autonomous LEGAL PERSONS under the Universities Autonomy Act 2003.

If Unilag owes you money you cannot sue the government and vice versa

I have read many comments here and realized that almost everyone has no idea how the university system works and they are quick to make ignorant comments. There is a lot to say but I'll just focus on lecturers teaching in more than one university.

ASUU COLLECTING MULTIPLE SALARIES?


One. As at today there is no Nigerian University that is okay with its staffing needs, probably only the 1st and 2nd generation ones. Most of the remaining Universities including those set up by Presidents Jonathan and later Buhari are surviving due to:

1 Sabbatical staffers
2 Visiting staffers
3 Contract staffers

Most of these staffers are recruited from the existing staffers of other federal Universities. These same staffers are the ones servicing most state and private universities.

Consequently, going by FG insistence on IPPIS, it is saying to other universities to close shop, because with this payment method in place, all staffers spread through out the country, earning legitimate salary will either forfeit their main salary or the allowances as a result of servicing other universities that need their services.

Two, the current number of academic staffers which is about 40,000 is grossly inadequate for FG and State Universities, that is why there is the need for adjunct staffers from within.

Three, the idea that we should recruit new staffers from the large pool of unemployed youth in the country is not tenable, because there is the policy of Staff Mix as enshrined in the NUC BMAS, you can not just employ a Professor or Senior Lecturer from the open market.

So you see, FG policy inconsistencies is the bane. They are always setting up new universities without concurrent staff ration on ground. If the Managements of the institutions in trying to survive recruit sabbatical, visiting and contract staffers from within the system, the FG accuse them of paying same staffers double salaries and you want to use IPPIS or another policy to weed out ghost workers.

So you see! ASUU is trying to protect the system from all angles. If the FG does not want sabbatical and other adjunct staffers in other universities as it is derailing the system, let them close ALL universities using them as their permanent staffers. It is as simple as that.

By so doing most State Universities and newly created FG universities will cease to exist. Forget about Private universities, they are surviving because of this same system that the FG abhors.

It should be noted that sabbatical and visiting staffing are common practices in academia all over the world.

ASUU is not a one armed bandit as it is portrayed. It is the Union that is the saviour of the system. If today ASUU will be adamant and say "hey go to hell, let all our members stay in their original places of work, no more sabbatical, visiting and other adjunct services", half of the universities will close shop.

Hate or love the Union, for ASUU it is inconsequential!

Starve the staffers to death!

Strangle the educational system to death!

Deliberately kill the educational system!

ASUU will continue to fight.

If the Union survived the subversive boots of the military, babbar riga and gowns of the civilians can not be that intimidative!

Dare to confront injustice!

ASUU is not out to court SYMPATHY!

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The government official is not being truthful, in this corona period, most of the medical experts practice in the teaching hospital and lecture in the university.

Scenario A
For instance Professor A is paid an Honorarium by LUTH where he does research and practices he drops his BVN there

Scenario B
Professor A is also a lecturer in UNILAG where he lectures and does research in the college of medicine and you have with held his salary for months and is now asking for BVN.

Let us assume he now gives his BVN to the VC of UNILAG, how will the government reconcile this scenario?

That is just a tip of the ice berg that ASUU is fighting against.

Lecturers all over the world have multiple jobs, and some even have jobs in multiple countries. This is the kind of accusation you get from a government populated by illiterates and dropouts.

You see yourself. FG has finally come out to be playing games. So your request for BVN was for mischievous reasons. If FG really wants to pay salaries is it not account numbers they need? They thing ASUU are stupid and will just hand over the BVN just like that. They knew the FG was up to games. But come to think of it, since when were lecturers not allowed to have other sources of income? If FG was serious go to CBN and get their BVN or if you feel the lecturers have broken a law get the ICPC to go after them.
You can see why the ASUU is not taking the FG serious and why the strikes keep lingering. No fidelity on both sides. They both are toying with the education of Nigerians.
The politicians have gained more by the poor education system and it's almost collapse so they do not really care. The health care sector which they neglected for so long has started affecting them. They made money from it's near collapse and neglect. The education sector will also punish them soon.
Settle with ASUU and save the education instead of playing games - police and thief. Bojo Boju

rexlims:
very lame excuse from FG.
my reasons are;
1. is it that before now these lecturers receive their stipends by hand?
2. is FG saying that these lectures teaching in other schools use different names and Ids?

Many graduates are jobless because of this obnoxious attitude. They earn salary from almost 5 universities.

My question then is why do lecturers go on strike nation wide when they want salary increment if they are under Universities Autonomy Act 2003 if they are not the employees of the FG?

So who has been paying them all these years? Is it the FG or their individual schools? If it is FG that has been paying them, how then is FG not their employer? Please do explain.

Explain this so that I can comprehend before replying then.

omonnakoda:

Federal government DID NOT EMPLOY ANY LECTURERS

Lecturers are not government employees by law.

Try and comprehend that before replying.
Universities are autonomous LEGAL PERSONS under the Universities Autonomy Act 2003.

If Unilag owes you money you cannot sue the government and vice versa

ERockson:
University lecturers are not sincere anyway. What's so difficult in releasing their BVN if they are not as corrupt as our politicians

Do you forget what goes on in this country? Who guarantees safety of their BVN? What if their BVN gets into wrong hands?

erad:


Thank you very much.

See ignorant people up there saying rubbish about the government having their bvn without realizing that just because they have it does not make it legal for them to access it.

If the government decides to extract the bvn without the lecturers permission, it's the same simpletons that will shout tyranny.

Nigerians always think they know all, when they know absolutely nothing.

I'm waiting for the day Nigerians will start approaching issues from a position of objectivity and no through personal/political sentiments and bias.

thanks for this. seriously I have started seeing that most Nigerians are super daft, as in their reasoning are below par

Countries that develop cures for diseases, 5G technologies etc don't engage in stupid fights with their Intelligentsia even if they win the petty battles they always lose the war.

Some of us may not know that in the early days we were sending sample to South Africa for coronavirus tests.

In serious countries government turns to universities for solutions to societal problems.

Eventually those who value our brightest and best will come and get them leaving the chaff to perpetuate the mediocrity that our politicians like to boss around.

There is no serious developed country where government rubbishes the academia in this way

If the staffing need is inadequate, FG is the one that is supposed to solve it. Yet their wage bill does not seem to support the fact that there are staffing needs, so the need to know who exactly they have been paying.
Once that is done, those who are on legal sabbatical will be separated from those who have dual employment, then each school can now make a legal case for increased staffing.

No body is saying a lecturer cannot be a consultant to a company for example as long as the students they are supposed to lecture are not abandoned.

AAA593:
I have read many comments here and realized that almost everyone has no idea how the university system works and they are quick to make ignorant comments. There is a lot to say but I'll just focus on lecturers teaching in more than one university.

ASUU COLLECTING MULTIPLE SALARIES?


One. As at today there is no Nigerian University that is okay with its staffing needs, probably only the 1st and 2nd generation ones. Most of the remaining Universities including those set up by Presidents Jonathan and later Buhari are surviving due to:

1 Sabbatical staffers
2 Visiting staffers
3 Contract staffers

Most of these staffers are recruited from the existing staffers of other federal Universities. These same staffers are the ones servicing most state and private universities.

Consequently, going by FG insistence on IPPIS, it is saying to other universities to close shop, because with this payment method in place, all staffers spread through out the country, earning legitimate salary will either forfeit their main salary or the allowances as a result of servicing other universities that need their services.

Two, the current number of academic staffers which is about 40,000 is grossly inadequate for FG and State Universities, that is why there is the need for adjunct staffers from within.

Three, the idea that we should recruit new staffers from the large pool of unemployed youth in the country is not tenable, because there is the policy of Staff Mix as enshrined in the NUC BMAS, you can not just employ a Professor or Senior Lecturer from the open market.

So you see, FG policy inconsistencies is the bane. They are always setting up new universities without concurrent staff ration on ground. If the Managements of the institutions in trying to survive recruit sabbatical, visiting and contract staffers from within the system, the FG accuse them of paying same staffers double salaries and you want to use IPPIS or another policy to weed out ghost workers.

So you see! ASUU is trying to protect the system from all angles. If the FG does not want sabbatical and other adjunct staffers in other universities as it is derailing the system, let them close ALL universities using them as their permanent staffers. It is as simple as that.

By so doing most State Universities and newly created FG universities will cease to exist. Forget about Private universities, they are surviving because of this same system that the FG abhors.

It should be noted that sabbatical and visiting staffing are common practices in academia all over the world.

ASUU is not a one armed bandit as it is portrayed. It is the Union that is the saviour of the system. If today ASUU will be adamant and say "hey go to hell, let all our members stay in their original places of work, no more sabbatical, visiting and other adjunct services", half of the universities will close shop.

Hate or love the Union, for ASUU it is inconsequential!

Starve the staffers to death!

Strangle the educational system to death!

Deliberately kill the educational system!

ASUU will continue to fight.

If the Union survived the subversive boots of the military, babbar riga and gowns of the civilians can not be that intimidative!

Dare to confront injustice!

ASUU is not out to court SYMPATHY!

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erad:



You really thought you made sense... SMH.

@ the bolded...
Is anyone forcing them to stay?
If the conditions of your employment are not favorable, then leave the job.
Teaching never used to be about money, it was about passion.
Facts be told, tertiary education in Nigeria is the most fraudulent.
Lecturers shortchanging students while at the same time frustrating them.

It's not every right thinking person that is a stooge.
It's sad your understanding is not beyond what it is and I definitely can't help you now.
But always trying to twist the narrative to suite your biases will only do more damage to your already unimpressive thought level.

Millions of students are shortchanged yearly by these same lecturers but I guess they don't matter.

F**king hypocrite.

You are bigger hypocrite.... Stop your generalisation of a few cases to make a senseless post. 1. The issue is government have BVN and should use it if they wish don't ask people to send it to them, it's diversionary.... 2. What is the rush in IPPIS implementation when it contravenes the law of Universities? That's the bottom line...Your deviation from the topic shows your lack of understanding of the issues at hand...ASUU is not complaining of condition of service, I only ask a question and if you're sensible you will know it core of my argument but since that's the only part your brain can pick, it's not worth arguing with you.

nairavsdollars:
Whats wrong in lecturers having multiple jobs? As long as they are not ghost workers

.. imagine you saying what's wrong in working in many places,while some very brilliant jobless youth are roaming around the street,doing menial job like teaching that can hardly feed them not to talk of them families,..those of you supporting the position of ASUU is either you are part of them or you indirectly connected to them

there is no where in the world a qualified lecturer teaches in one university...

where did these cattle rearers get the idea of gaging lecturers into submitting there BVN?

this administration is run by useless fools.. I know we have useful fools on NL anyway.

This ippis will solve alot of negligence in the educational sector. How can you be a lecture in 5 different university and yet you abandone the place of your primary assignment. For crying out loud there is know where in the world where a lecturer will attain lecture once or twice in a complete semester in the name of being a visit lecturer and yet it happen in our university, a lecturer will only attain lectures when he or she want to sell books for the students. Now the introduction of ippis will make sure no lecturer collect double salary but rather stipen from other university to which they are visiting lecturer and to make sure every lecturer stayput and focuse on their primary assignment. Tell me if you are a member of ASUU will you accept this. The truth most of us are not seeing is that once ASUU enrole in ippis it becames an advantage to the student and our educational sector, it will also give more space for employment of new lecturers

It doesn't look to me that it's bad for a lecturer to lecture in more than one University. Apparently, that's the concept of visiting lecturer. Consequently, I expect them to be [b][/b]fairly compensated for such services. However the watchword should be [b][/b]fairness. I don't expect the lecturers to be paid like full time staff in each of the institutions the lecture.

9jatriot:
My question then is why do lecturers go on strike nation wide when they want salary increment if they are under Universities Autonomy Act 2003 if they are not the employees of the FG?

So who has been paying them all these years? Is it the FG or their individual schools? If it is FG that has been paying them, how then is FG not their employer? Please do explain.

Explain this so that I can comprehend before replying then.

Who pays the Engineers working for Julius Berger on the 2nd Niger bridge are they government employees?

I have already answered you so quit going round in circles.
Are NNPC staff government employees ?

Las las. Na student go suffer am

Cantonese:


Do you forget what goes on in this country? Who guarantees safety of their BVN? What if their BVN gets into wrong hands?

That's not an excuse, They should do the needful. Some of the Federal University lecturers work with state University and Private University at the same time, This is the open secret the lecturers want to protect by all means

Has FG ever explained why they have not implemented previous agreements with ASUU? Today they are asking lecturers to go and teach online, with what? Those of you who see NEEDS assessment projects, as well as ETF projects on campuses, fail to understand that FG only wakes up to do the right thing when ASUU goes on strike. When they finally release funds for those projects is it for ASUU? Is FG trying to say they do not have a database of all ASUU staff in universities? Are they saying with they do not have instruments to track lecturers with multiple salary sources? There is money paid to IPPIS contractors for each civil servant paid on their platform. As for staff with multiple salaries, FG is not ready to recruit and they are still the ones that handle accreditation through NUC are they saying they cannot track these lecturers? FG is just raising dust now because COVID-19 is still giving them cover before it clears if una get sense better tell una uncle for aso rock whether they even don try to equip schools with online teaching aids. It is time for some people here to stop making silly comments about ASUU and tell your government to equip schools with hostels, modern equipment, and library sources before you start blaming ASUU.

ejibaba:


You are bigger hypocrite.... Stop your generalisation of a few cases to make a senseless post. 1. The issue is government have BVN and should use it if they wish don't ask people to send it to them, it's diversionary.... 2. What is the rush in IPPIS implementation when it contravenes the law of Universities? That's the bottom line...Your deviation from the topic shows your lack of understanding of the issues at hand...ASUU is not complaining of condition of service, I only ask a question and if you're sensible you will know it core of my argument but since that's the only part your brain can pick, it's not worth arguing with you.

I wasn't expecting any sensible response from you and you definitely didn't disappoint me.

Keep wallowing in your hate and ignorance.

wolfenstein:

Bro I understand u very well, but if a lecturer his parent University is uniben and assuming he lectures in business administration, his lecture time is let's say 9am-1pm and then he has another lecture in Ambrose Alli University by 4pm-6pm then it should be the school that invited him that will pay him his salary and not the FG, as far as he does his work well. I don't really see it as much of a problem.

there are rules of the civil service which states you can't work multiple jobs if you are employee in the civil service

NollyMedia:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sunnewsonline.com/ASUU-salaries-use-of-bvn-will-expose-lecturers-with-multiple-jobs-fg/amp/

now I know the apple of discord ,,,
FG wants to cut their extra earnings while ASUU doesn't want that to happen

but I don't understand,,
I thought every lecturer is registered with one institution,, if the lecturer has any other work in another institution,, why don't the school that invited the lecturer handle the bill ?? why must FG be responsible for the extra payment..??

am glad FG is trying to stop this mess,, so that graduates in the country will be given opportunity to be employed as lecturers

Thank you for this. If Julius Berger Engineers want a salary increase they do not hold meetings with FG, they talk to their employer which is the management of JB.
NNPC, CBN and all government agencies are all FG employees because FG pays them, so I really want to understand how FG happens to pay academic staffs, fund the schools but somehow are still not their employer.

omonnakoda:


Who pays the Engineers working for Julius Berger on the 2nd Niger bridge are they government employees?

I have already answered you so quit going round in circles.
Are NNPC staff government employees ?

kikero:
The reason why lecturers have multiple jobs is simple...Nigeria does not have enough lecturers.

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Trash.. so what happened to millions of graduates on the streets looking out for lecturer Jobs?? Why would you take two jobs ? You're one of the problems of this country