rationalhuman:

2. You can not quote a single reference for All Axis Q.R. FBW for this range, China has only one for J20 completely incompatible (Prove me wrong by posting a credible reference)

The designers may have added the spine so as to create more room for internal fuel (and compensate for the space taken by the second seat). In addition, and perhaps most significantly (both for the JF-17B and the newer single-seat JF-17 Block-III), [b]the JF-17B also introduced a new three-axis fly-by-wire flight control system to the Thunder.[3] [/b]The JF-17B’s nose is also technically capable of carrying an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, though the PAF opted to retain the pulse-Doppler KLJ-7 for its own fleet.[4]


https://quwa.org/2020/01/19/why-is-the-pakistan-air-force-procuring-26-jf-17bs-2/

rationalhuman:
1. Having a nose section made of Composite doesn't make it composite Aircraft, Same like my Bicycle`s front mudguard is made of Alloy doesnt make it an "Alloy Bicycle".

Nigerian Air Force JF-17, we can see the areas with composites, marked in green.

It is clearly not the nose section.

rationalhuman:

3. Korean T-50 has done more exercise with Sukhois and F16s, that doesnt make it Sukhoi. so this was useless point.

JF-17 in joint exercise with UAE F-16 Block 60, Saudi Arabia Eurofighter, Kuwati F/A-18 and Egypt F-16 Block 52.

The JF-17 is a combat proven aircraft, all weather, state of the art aircraft with modern avionics and an advanced EW suite.

rationalhuman:

4. Tell me Why China is asking for AESA from Israel if its JF-17 AESA is working??

"This is an incredibly low quality question?"

China has multiple AESA radars, including the KLJ-7A AESA radar.

rationalhuman:

5. Myanmar cant get Western Aircraft and India can not antagonize US anymore for that as it is already under pressure of US because of Submarine sale. Thus again useless point.

I find your ignorance entertaining.

Myanmar Sukhio SU-30sme

Not everybody buys aircrafts from the west.

The fires of shyte! You put one off, 5 more spring up!

komekn:


[s] It seems that you need to revert back to basics because you do not seem to understand what the word disinformation means. FYI, false information which is intended to mislead

Your approach is to discredit but not with anything but your own opinion no facts, just your own self birthed deduction. Your opinion is not fact its just a view.

I used Beeeagle to underpin my view and mentioned him being a prolific blogger at the time, is that disinformation Unless you are calling him a liar too.

I quote him, it emerged that a Jaguar B TRAINER variant (NAF 703) had flown for only 150 hours 54 minutes since it was manufactured in December 1984. It had its 100 hours inspection on the 10th day of February, 1986. It suggests that the crated fleet of Jaguar jets is almost brand-new still. Where is the disinformation

We have very clear information to a good degree technical from which a substantive non-opinionated deduction can be made, that there was considerable life left in these air frames, that is a very plausible deduction to be made. We are informed there were two separate bids for the planes by both India's Hindustan and the now BAE systems. That says there was value in theses Air-frames. Personally when i think of the European build quality i would prefer a renewed 16 Sepecat Jaguar, new engines, avionics, weapon systems, etc for a $100 million. In comparison to the 12 Chinese copy cat Mig 21's that we bought for £250 million.

That is my opinion it is not fact , it is not disinformation or misrepresentation it is my approach to best value, you can agree or disagree thats your choice.

With regards to your pictures it says nothing or proves anything, we don't know when those pics were taken , for how long the Jags remained in the open and when they left the hangar and where they currently are right now. Your pictures without a time frame explanation are misleading and more of disinformation.

From my own sources at the time my understanding was that they were in the HANGERS just before the inspection, what happened afterwards I really do not know. I could easily find out if I wanted too.

So if you disagree with me its your choice but please stop trying to harangue, name calling and cause unnecessary ill tempered arguments, there is simply no need. I don't know what you mean by "You talk as if you are an authority"[/s]

As usual....

In other news Various types of Nigerian Heavy Armor.

Green color is not the Composite. Thats a color scheme

kabe1:


Nigerian Air Force JF-17, we can see the areas with composites, marked in green.

It is clearly not the nose section.

Just by sharing an image it become combat proven?

kabe1:


JF-17 in joint exercise with UAE F-16 Block 60, Saudi Arabia Eurofighter, Kuwati F/A-18 and Egypt F-16 Block 52.

The JF-17 is a combat proven aircraft, all weather, state of the art aircraft with modern avionics and an advanced EW suite.

Some people will never learn to stop arguing with some certain type of people who believe they know it all

It's on this same thread someone was always saying the JF-17 could fire any type of weapon, as in the JF-17 will fire Chinese, Russian,NATO, sweedish etc weapons

The Boko Haram group has called on her fighters to intensify attacks especially this Month of Ramadan. The group in second video in a week according to Rita Katz, the Director of SITE Intelligence Group calls for action during Ramadan.

In the video according to Katz;

“BokoHaram, in 2nd vid in a week, and following its bloody Mar. 24 attack in Chad, calls for action during #Ramadan w/ fighter calling it the month of “jihad, invasion, and conquests.” Interestingly, Boko cont’s to produce its vids as #ISIS W. Africa Prov”

https://ijam.ng/boko-haram-calls-for-jihad-invasion-and-conquests-in-new-video

The Military says it will accept the offer of the leader of Boko Haram, Abubakar Shekau to surrender. It said that if Shekau follows the laid down procedures for surrendering during conflict or war, the military will profile him according to international standard.

The Coordinator of the Directorate of Defence Media Operations (DDMO), Major General John Enenche, disclosed this on Friday during an interview on Channels TV “Shekau’s recently released videos are subjected to forensic analysis. There are rumours that they are ready to surrender. If the insurgents truly want to surrender, there is a procedure to do that.

If he (Shekau) surrenders through the procedure, we will accept it,” he said It would be recalled that the Military authorities recently said that with the grand offensive mounted by the Armed Forces of Nigeria against Boko Haram and the Islamic State for West African Province (ISWAP), the body language of Shekau, is that of surrender.

Meanwhile the military through the Air Task Force of Operation LAFIYA DOLE, said it destroyed compounds housing Boko Haram terrorists’ leaders at Bulawa in Sambisa Forest, Borno State. In a statement signed by Major General Enenche, the air strikes were executed on 21 April based on credible human intelligence reports as well as Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance missions that led to the identification of the target compounds within the settlement.

He said fighter jets dispatched by the Air Task Force to take out the compounds accurately hit the target area leading to the destruction of some of the structures as well as the neutralization of some of the terrorists occupying the compounds. He noted that Boko Haram fighters, who attempted to reposition to engage the attacking aircraft, were mopped-up in follow-on attacks by the jets.

In another report, Troops of Operation WHIRL STROKE deployed at Katsina Ala, Benue state and those of Sector 4 drawn from parts of Taraba state carried out a special raid operation on the 22nd April, on a suspected militia camp located at Anku Mbagen in Atera-Jange Torov Council Ward of Ukum LGA of Benue state.

https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/if-boko-haram-leader-shekau-surrenders-we-will-accept-it-military.html

Odunayaw:
So Hausa language is how you know if there's incidence

They were saying that BH attack was repelled, but i was not 100% sure

SamuelAnyawu:



They were saying that BH attack was repelled, but i was not 100% sure

Why didn't you ask them?

How would people know the private discussions made in Hausa language in the North East from this thread?

Please who knows about military police or Air police or Naval police.
1) how to join them??
2) how they are being deployed
Anything you know about them... thanks

BabaOwen:
He is going to tell you that, you're lying.

How a so called "military officer" will say a naval lieutenant is equal to a army major, yet people always crying about people spreading wrong info somehow didn't see it I wander the kin lamentation we for dey read by now if nah komekn write am in NATO(OF-2) and the US army(O-3) a Naval lieutenant is equivalent to the army rank of captain.

Funny thread

Once you are not among the right clique on this thread you are tagged a LIAR .

nemesis8u:
FC1/JF17 is not in the same category as in J10

FC1/JF17 is a light weight category aircraft

J10 is a medium weight category aircraft

LWF - FA50 , FC1/JF17 1/2 , LCA MK1/MK1A , L39NG etc

MWF - F16 , J10 , Gripen NG etc

Please help me tell them oo

nemesis8u:


I will again disagree .

Problem was with the pricing , the price hal quoted was deemed too high by naf. Only the fuselage will be old rest everything brand new , including engines.

I had hal statement in a pdf on it . It was part of their annual report. But that was long time back.

During that period Hal manufactured the complete aircraft all by itself . So spares from uk don't come into play.

Anyways. Let's agree to disagree.

Wow! I thought the frames were FUBAR from a decade plus of corrosion and skin creep,the differential day heating and night cooling that slowly destroys airframe structural integrity. Btw,any NAF guy here or with access to one tell us why weren't those jets under a hangar??

kikuyu1:


Wow! I thought the frames were FUBAR from a decade plus of corrosion and skin creep,the differential day heating and night cooling that slowly destroys airframe structural integrity. Btw,any NAF guy here or with access to one tell us why weren't those jets under a hangar??

I sometimes asked my dad as a kid then why this plane is not flying because we lived on that base then but he was more interested in shutting me up.

Back then the MiG 21 were still flying before we went to kano. Anybody who can tell you why would be someone how has stayed long in service.

joshingjosh:
Please who knows about military police or Air police or Naval police.
1) how to join them??
2) how they are being deployed
Anything you know about them... thanks

you first of all join any branch of the military you like,if ure lucky they might post to the unit, that's all I know about MP,

General question.

I have posted quite recently two different write ups, somewhat lengthy and as is my practice substantiated with either a government release and or other media reference point.

Sometimes in response to the more boisterous and opinionated contributors we have here.

However, I have noticed two of those posts have now gone missing, my question is this a regular occurrence and therefore quite normal on this particular segment of nairaland

To date i have not experienced that before.

To quote Ian Fleming; Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

Your responses will help to understand this very new observation, thank you.

komekn:
General question.

I have posted quite recently two different write ups, somewhat lengthy and as is my practice substantiated with either a government release and or other media reference point.

Sometimes in response to the more boisterous and opinionated contributors we have here.

However, I have noticed two of those posts have now gone missing, my question is this a regular occurrence and therefore quite normal on this particular segment of nairaland

To date i have not experienced that before.

To quote Ian Fleming; Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action.

Your responses will help to understand this very new observation, thank you.

guess the spambots are even tired of your shitty contributions

TROOPS OF OPERATION HADARIN DAJI NEUTRALIZE BANDITS RECOVER ARMS AMMUNITION AND RESCUE KIDNAPPED VICTIMS AT GIDAN JAJA IN ZURMI LGA OF ZAMFARA STATE

1. Troops of Sector 9 Operation HADARIN DAJI on 24 April 2020 supported by Troops of 35 Battalion and Quick Response Group of 17 Brigade of the Nigerian Army, Two helicopter gun ships of the Nigerian Air Force, personnel of Nigeria Police Force and elements of Nigerien Army, neutralised bandits, recover arms and ammunition along Gidan Jaja in Zurmi Local Government Area of Zamfara State. During the operation, 89 bandits were neutralized and uncomfirmed number escaped with gunshot wounds. Items recovered include: 19 AK 47 rifles, 1 PKT machine gun,9 magazines, 167 rounds of 7.62 (Special), one dane gun and one locally made pistol were recovered. There was no loss of troops or equipment on our side.

2. Additionally, 322 rustled cows, 77 motorcycles and 9 cell phones were recovered. Five kidnapped victims comprising 3 females and 2 males were rescued. The bandits camps were cleared by troops. Formal handover of kidnapped victims and rustled cows will be carried out following due process.

3. The Chief Defence Staff hereby congratulates the Troops for this commendable feat.

You are please requested to disseminate this information through your medium with the photos attached for the awareness of the general public. Thank you for your usual support and cooperation.

JOHN ENENCHE
Major General
Coordinator
Defence Media Operations
Defence Headquarters
25 April 20.

SamuelAnyawu:


Once you are not among the right clique on this thread you are tagged a LIAR .

More

EXCLUSIVE: Boko Haram Terrorists Ambush Convoy Of Ex-Borno Governor, Ali Modu Sheriff, Kill Three Policemen, Two Others

Boko Haram fighters have opened fire on the convoy carrying the family of a former governor of Borno State, Senator Ali Modu Sheriff.

Security sources told SaharaReporters that the insurgents attacked the convoy while traveling from Abuja to Maiduguri to attend the three-day prayer of Sheriff’s late father, Alhaji Galadima Modu, who died following a fire outbreak at his residence in Maiduguri on Thursday.

It was gathered that five persons including three policemen were killed during the attack that took place on Friday.

“Boko Haram launched an attack on the convoy carrying the family of Senator Ali Modu Sheriff, former governor of Borno State, from Abuja to Maiduguri to attend the burial of his late father.

“Three policemen, a driver and one member of his family were killed and several others were injured in the attack.

“The terrorists also went away with the riffles of the dead officers and some cars in the convoy,” one security source said.

SaharaReporters gathered that two of the policemen killed are Corporal Mustapha Inusa and Corporal Abubakar Idris.

The attack comes days after the Nigerian Defence Headquarters disclosed that Abubakar Shekau, leader of the Boko Haram sect, may soon surrender.

DHQ had stated that the body language of Shekau after so much military offensive on the insurgents lately showed that he would soon “throw in the towel”.

Sheriff has been accused in some quarters of being responsible for the emergence of Boko Haram in Borno State before spilling to other parts of the North where their violent campaign has claimed thousands of lives and displaced millions.

http://saharareporters.com/2020/04/25/exclusive-boko-haram-terrorists-ambush-convoy-ex-borno-governor-ali-modu-sheriff-kill?fbclid=IwAR1DkWxBSdYmLzurBLwrv8xUdPkcBDWJkgZonJxCJmNlZdlUOq_BU689kVA

If you want to see the policemen pic, you can click on that link. Some are gory pic.

kabe1:


JF-17 in joint exercise with UAE F-16 Block 60, Saudi Arabia Eurofighter, Kuwati F/A-18 and Egypt F-16 Block 52.

The JF-17 is a combat proven aircraft, all weather, state of the art aircraft with modern avionics and an advanced EW suite.

The term combat proven is very fluid in the extreme without a comparison unit of measurement, so in the context of the JF-17 what do you mean by combat proven.

For instance, we can say unequivocally that the F22, 35 , Typhoon, and many more are battle tested and therefore battle proven in multiple theaters and operations across the world in many challenging situations also over many years.

So what makes JF-17 a Mig 21 Hybrid as many have argued to have become "combat proven"

I am speaking with undeniable bias, if Pakistan was a car manufacturer I would not be taken away or inspired by the Manufacturers sales pitch. And i would rather have a 3/4 year old proven, tested and confirmed quality vehicle from Germany or Japan than a brand new one from Pakistan no matter how cheap.

As people say , you get what pay for , the Chinese/ Pakistan JF-17 is cheap for a reason, as we say in Warri "Cheap article deh spoil belle"

We have not learned our lesson the old and even second hand acquired Alpha jets have proven as many also argue to be much more resilient and reliable than the F-7 (Mig 21) we bought from China for $250 million.

rka2:



You are the one accusing me of disinformation and saying I just make things up and you have the temerity to accuse me of name calling?

I still follow Beegs on Twitter and I can never call him a liar. We are only as good as our sources sometimes. So they had an inspection in 1986, how does that affect what I was saying about storage outside? Did I disagree they were inspected? You think I don't have sources as well to back up they were abandoned outside?

Quit pretending to be an injured party. So where is the disinformation?

Maybe these photos will help. Dated May 3rd 2007. See llink to photos. There is also a photo below of storage in a hanger, not crated or dated.

http://wpalette.com/en/pictures/56700

The jets were largely abandoned in the late 80s. They tried to sell them in 2011.

The small Nigerian Jaguar force did not operate for long; despite being the most heavily populated country in Africa and rich in natural resources including oil, chaotic government with repeated coups and corruption on a massive scale coupled with sanctions by other nations left the country's Air Force unable to afford a safe level of operations, or to keep maintenance contracts going. By early 1990 they had flown their last Jaguar, with some not having undergone inspections since 1986. The 14 (or 16?) surviving airframes have been basically derelict ever since and have long since passed the point of being flyable without a huge investment. Several attempts have been made to sell them since, most recently in October 2011 when they were apparently put up for auction. The level of corruption endemic in the country can hardly make a purchase attempt an attractive proposition!

https://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/jaguar/history.php

just that they were stored out in the open without any protection from the elements and by the time the Indians inspected them, they were not fit for purpose.

Your entire write up was set up to underpin the proposition that these 16 Sepecat Jaguars were essentially rust buckets and not worth a carrot, that was the substance of your position.

My position was that two Bae Systems and the Indian Hindustan were prepared to pay about what we paid to procure them so you are talking at least
that is going to go into near or above $65 million speculatively. That means there was considerable life left in the air frames. Without being racially prejudiced stingy Indian man will not pay $10 million for scrap metal.

Back to the other claim , i simply do not use vitriolic diction in the first instance and you called me a LIAR when i said the complete contract package cost for the A29's was $600 million. I presented a USA government published and gazetted document to back up my claim. Or is the USA govt. telling lies .

Nonetheless, its not particularly relevant now.

I find it unforgivable that we let those Jags rot, had a chance to refurbish but did not , then we didnt sell them when there was clear offers to purchase, WHY, WHY, which way Nigeria. So effectively we lost maybe $100 million in possible revenue , that is UNFORGIVABLE.

jpphilips:


You claim to be analyzing best value for money but conveniently skipped training
Which value for money does your UCAV add in that regards?

Where will you get the opportunity for a Soleimani kinda hit in an assymetric warfare the type we are fighting in NE? You just compared apples with potatoes, NAF needs to provide close air support for long hrs and run ISR while at it, agreed your UCAV can run ISR but can it give close air support without throwing expensive precision missiles? if your answer is no, then how is that best value for money?
A-29 can gladly straff its guns when NAF is on low budget to fire expensive precision missiles where does that fall into your best value for money analysis?
Soleimani was killed with 2 nos $115k missiles, is that the best value for money for NAF with less than $250m annual budget?


During and after this war, Nigeria's battle theater will be majorly in Civilian population not a Turkey vs Syrian army kinda war, again you compare apples with candy, you sincerely think we will have the luxury of throwing smart bombs around? at what cost? A group of cattle rustlers in Sokoto or a group of pipeline vandals in the Niger delta creek, you waste GB3 250 kg laser-guided bomb on them plus collateral damages that can land you a global sanction? really? you call that best value for money?

You said A-29 is easy to shoot down at nearly 600km/hr speed, meanwhile you recommend a drone of 370km/hr top speed as your so called best value for money apparently, you have no clue why several better drones have been lost in Libya.

Speaking of shooting down A-29, it operates beyond the reach of ISWAP AA guns and it engages targets within the same distance so your analysis is baseless, your AA can't shoot down what you can't see.

US strategic partners have privileges you dont, while they can get strategic assets, from the US you cant so you are living in a dream.
Jonathan's handlers once had that dream of owning a Chinook, we know how he woke up from that dream, repeating Jonathan's dream is silly.
F16 is not exactly a COIN aircraft so when next you want to make smart comparisons, use the Air Tanker or Warthog to compare with the Tucano, US will not sell Warthog to Nigeria, has never sold it not even to allies so we fall back again to the Tucano as the smartest choice.

I responded to this quite comprehensively days ago, but it seems to have got lost in cyberspace.

Using comparative cost analysis both capital and recurrent to show the A29 not to be long term viable for the NAF, and the limited use of the A29 that will play out in the long term over the recurrent cost barriers.

komekn:


The term combat proven is very fluid in the extreme without a comparison unit of measurement, so in the context of the JF-17 what do you mean by combat proven.

For instance, we can say unequivocally that the F22, 35 , Typhoon, and many more are battle tested and therefore battle proven in multiple theaters and operations across the world in many challenging situations also over many years.

So what makes JF-17 a Mig 21 Hybrid as many have argued to have become "combat proven"

I am speaking with undeniable bias, if Pakistan was a car manufacturer I would not be taken away or inspired by the Manufacturers sales pitch. And i would rather have a 3/4 year old proven, tested and confirmed quality vehicle from Germany or Japan than a brand new one from Pakistan no matter how cheap.

As people say , you get what pay for , the Chinese/ Pakistan JF-17 is cheap for a reason, as we say in Warri "Cheap article deh spoil belle"

We have not learned our lesson the old and even second hand acquired Alpha jets have proven as many also argue to be much more resilient and reliable than the F-7 (Mig 21) we bought from China for $250 million.

The JF-17 is not a MIG-21 hybrid. Shape, aerodynamic design, power pack and avionics are different.

The JF-17 has a confirmed Air-to-Air Kill, the JF-17 was part of a strike package that bombed India in operation swift resort. The JF-17 carried out numerous CAP missions after operation swift resort. The JF-17 has carried out multiple CAS and bombing missions against the Pakistani Taliban and other terrorist groups in Pakistan.

On the origin of the JF-17, it is a joint project between Pakistan and the CATIC group in China. China owns all the IP certificates, and is in fact the OEM of the JF-17.

On the back of the Chinese aviation industry, the JF-17 which shares a lot of components from the J-10 has considerable support. It is not a Pakistani built plane.

The F-7 was a stop gap plane, it was never intended to replace the MIG-21. The JF-17 fulfils NAF capability for a modern light multi-role combat aircraft.

The JF-17 can be equipped with Aselpod advanced targeting pod, providing NAF with high performance electro-optical reconnaissance, surveillance and targeting system.

The JF-17 can also be equipped with Indra ECM pod.

Pl-15 advanced BVRAAM missiles and High Precision air to ground bombs, dumb bombs & similar JDAM bombs.

kabe1:


The JF-17 is not a MIG-21 hybrid. Shape, aerodynamic design, power pack and avionics are different.

The JF-17 has a confirmed Air-to-Air Kill, the JF-17 was part of a strike package that bombed India in operation swift resort. The JF-17 carried out numerous CAP missions after operation swift resort. The JF-17 has carried out multiple CAS and bombing missions against the Pakistani Taliban and other terrorist groups in Pakistan.

On the origin of the JF-17, it is a joint project between Pakistan and the CATIC group in China. China owns all the IP certificates, and is in fact the OEM of the JF-17.

On the back of the Chinese aviation industry, the JF-17 which shares a lot of components from the J-10 has considerable support. It is not a Pakistani plane.

The F-7 was a stop gap plane, it was never intended to replace the MIG-21. The JF-17 fulfils NAF capability for a modern light multi-role combat aircraft.

The JF-17 can be equipped with Aselpod advanced targeting pod, providing NAF with high performance electro-optical reconnaissance, surveillance and targeting system.

The JF-17 is can also be equipped with Indra ECM pod.

Pl-15 advanced BVRAAM missiles and High Precision air to ground bombs, dumb bombs & similar JDAM bombs.

Shey you cannot resist the urge to "shalaye" to some people ni? Ah! You dey try oo.

lebuhsi:

It's good people have these discussions, it helps see things from other people's perspective,I mean we all avail yourself to the same contents here, its really fascinating people see things differently(shrugging shoulder emoji) ..its not here so...

Some people do not just deserve the energy, they are not ready to see things in other people's perspectives and they can't construct a paragraph without insulting others.
To those who can't make their points without resolving to insults, it shows the quality of education you were given.