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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:05pm On Apr 25, 2020
Lionessza6:


An exceptional country we are wink grin grin
yap you are an be proud of it lady.. grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 7:06pm On Apr 25, 2020
Danielnino00:


Kenyatta should better put a call through to Bubu and order for at least 10 million barrels of cheap oil now cheesy ..
grin They can't afford it. They don't have tourists anymore and their tea market has been shut down.
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 7:07pm On Apr 25, 2020
Serengeti, TZ TZ TZ

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Daejoyoung: 7:07pm On Apr 25, 2020
Lionessza6:



@ the bolded ,you do well wink.


Bobo,you dey still alive? shocked. Nawa oh! grin. Chai.
lol l still dey alive o. How your side nah? Hope say you don stop to find trouble grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 7:08pm On Apr 25, 2020
rvp20182:
The power of US is not military - it's the ECONOMY (MONEY)- US started becoming different from rest of America (Mexicos for example) by successfully copy-pasting British industrialization and eventually taking over. Any idiot like you who thinks having a large army is anything serious is not serious. One nuclear weapon from small country like Israel have many large countries shitting their pants. Israeli made all the Arabs nations soil their pants in just six days by deploying the Jewish global money - money to buy weapons and etc.

It's about money - right from your family to your village to your state to your country to the nation.

Right now - a small elite jew cabal - control the world including China and India. What do they have - incredible wealth. Israel can go to war with India or China ...and I bet win it.

Money buys everything.

you know nothing

the US economy was pushed by military procurement

America real economic might came to the fore in the late 20th century when it formed the petrol dollar alliance thereby breaking itself from the monetary constraint of the gold standard.
This was backed by the military

STICK AND CARROT
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:10pm On Apr 25, 2020
samorobo:


Reason why I say what the Chinese have for the world is yet to come and the entire world is already fidgeting

am more worried about the one controlling the Chinese an their plan for the world cheesy everyone got his own master ..even the king depends on harvest..just saying grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kazikazi: 7:10pm On Apr 25, 2020
BWM gov hospital, Dodoma.TZ

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:12pm On Apr 25, 2020
Should we begin with grammar school or global geopolitics? Israel really didn't exist during Hilter time. Israel was founded in 1945. The reason Germany and Hilter were mad is that they understood the inordinate power the Jewish cabal held on Europe and the global economy Nothing really has changed. The US is most powerful nation and yet every POTUS dreads the Jewish coalition. You know why everyone with some brains for like the last 200yrs fears the jews - MONEY MONEY MONEY. The jews for centuries have pursued accumulation of money - and transferred inordinate wealth across generation - they literally control the world.

Once you understand how the global economy works - you'll understand the grammar school saying - he who pays the piper calls the tune

vaxx:
You sound so brutish as usual, USA become so powerful today as a result of lots of research in her military.. the military research birth what me and the stupid you used to communicate today ( internet)Israel understand the usefulness of bigger nation that is why they aren't dumb like you. they remain one of the biggest ally to the most super power today ( The USA) Go and read what Israelite and his troops went thru in the hands of German during Hitler regime. maybe you will stupidly understand the might of military .

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MduZA: 7:13pm On Apr 25, 2020
jl115:

What silencing tactics?? I'm literally just trying to change your outlook on SA and life in general as you seem very negative (I could be wrong) wink

And I was very serious watch the movie The Secret and change your life wink


Trolls and fake Usernames are the order of the day on this forum....

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:14pm On Apr 25, 2020
kikuyu1:


Errr, no! We looked at this before.


[url][//amp/s/www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/East-Africa-costs-itself-out-of-big-share-in-global-trade/2560-5433612-view-asAMP-ffxqy9z/index.html]

We can't go that route: civil society, politics, labour movement our very sociopolitical space can't allow that race to the bottom.
Btw, despite our high costs our labour is still productive as the flower farmers who went to Ethiopia discovered.
true an introduction of automation an AI we are just sitting ducks..we need a different approach
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kikuyu1(m): 7:14pm On Apr 25, 2020
rationalhuman:
Not entirely true, power Comes from Logical approach applied with rational Minds, You have given example of India and China, You must know when Britishers came just then China and India accounted for 82% of global GDP Both were far far richer then Entire Europe. So entire Europe was nothing against India or china. so here it goes.
1. Example 1 India: There was no government officials with British ships for 10 years, They were all Traders later organized entity British East India Company. Later they realized immense opportunity by implementing logical approach of Divide and Conquer, There were 8 big and 17 small kingdoms at that time. While Indian empires were rotten with several religious mindsets.

2. partially same can be applied to China as well.

Remember Europe was so mesmerized by India`s Wealth, Trade goods that Europeans were dying to find shortest sea routes to India. (Coulumbus was on rout to find India as well instead find out America).

So your point of wealth was nullified, Its practical approach and science that both China and India lost interest at later stage and went for religion instead.

We should definitely learn from this, only then we can have few hopes for this continent.


2 thumbs up! I recently read this and tbh the depth of Brit looting shocked me. When they inevitably resisted Johnnie Brit invented a fiendish terrifying yet speedy punishment -blown from a gun; LITERALLY!

Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Lionessza6(f): 7:14pm On Apr 25, 2020
kikuyu1:


Forget Stoffie! Most of us have seen through his compulsive wanking of the joys of apartheid. Those who haven't by now never will and can be ignored as being beneath the notice of sentient creatures.
The thing is those Reserve Bank schemes aren't mere dirty deals but WEALTH TRANSFERENCE SCHEMES! They took place early 90s when the rand was 2.50 to the USD.
Accounting for inflation a 100 bn rand in 1990 is now just UNDER 700 BN RAND. Allow for modest 5% interest yearly for 30 yrs as money always earns gets 400 bn incl principal or roughly 1.1 TRILLION rand.
I swear the ishyt these guys get up to convinces me the dead body on that plane load of rand was part of a ritual -that's what they do in those circles WHICH IS SURPRISINGLY COMMON.

Anyway the occult rituals of the billionaire banksters need not concern us here. Imo, the real stringpullers, the Oppenheimers must have smth on Mbeki. I stumbled across noseweek around 2004-05 and they're real.

You guys, at least a significant change making minority of 12% should push for action on the missing trillions. Instead you're forcefeed state capture/Zuma mansion/Duduzane drama-which Saffas lap up like Macallan!
Arrgghhh!?

Powerful media brainwashing . I will come back to this tomorrow. But many have woken up to the scam ,although it was too little too late ,its a great lesson to learn i guess .

Trending now in SA grin
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Take a look at these search results: https://twitter.com/hashtag/KarynMaughanMustFall?s=09
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rationalhuman(m): 7:15pm On Apr 25, 2020
Britisher traders arrived on exact date August 24, 1608 AD (port of Surat,)for the purpose of trade, but after 7 years British got Royal order (i.e. Farman) to establish a factory at Surat under the leadership of Sir Thomas Roe.

Industrial Revolution in Britain started after 200 years around 1800.

I hope you can validate and validate dates.


rvp20182:
Logical approach applied with rational Minds smiley smiley you must be a snake oil salesman. Britain was first nation in the world to industrialize and out of it - they made tonnes of money - and all things money can buy - including power, weapons and etc. What started as small workshops in city of Birmingham would allowed the Britsh to rule the world. Money is what speaks.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by AskiaHarem(m): 7:16pm On Apr 25, 2020
rvp20182:
The biggest states of Africa - DRC, Sudan, NIgeria, and Ethiopia - are so messed up - having a large country seem a disadvantage - if you don't invest in infrastructure. Look at DRC - about 5 times size of kenya - maybe 10 times Ghana - but with barely any infrastructure - for someone in the east of DRC - they have to fly to west.

What Africa need is to bridge it's infrastructure deficit - and then build transnational infrastructure - AU instead of talking - should be building a highway from Cairo to Capetown - from Dakar to Mogadishu -

And the focus should be Intra-trade - and that will eventually improve our fortunes.

Power doesn't come from large country or large population. It comes from MONEY. WEALTH. The UK is small island and yet colonized giants like China India and etc.



With the exception of the DR Congo all those countries you listed are currently superior to or on the way to becoming superior to Kenya.

What Africa truly needs is................ grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:19pm On Apr 25, 2020
I know history my friend. Many European nationa around that time were just busy looking for spices and such nonsense in small island. This was something that started in some little Italian city. British in 16th-century certainly had no muscle to take on China. British by 19th century - had the military-industrial muscle that take anybody. It wasn't just kamikaze movies...they were building ships at industrial scale...building weapons at industrial scale...while everyone was bribing some drunkard ironsmith to forge them some weapons whenever they were sober.
rationalhuman:
Britisher traders arrived on exact date August 24, 1608 AD (port of Surat,)for the purpose of trade, but after 7 years British got Royal order (i.e. Farman) to establish a factory at Surat under the leadership of Sir Thomas Roe.

Industrial Revolution in Britain started after 200 years around 1800.

I hope you can validate and validate dates.


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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kabe1: 7:22pm On Apr 25, 2020
Nigeria is light years ahead of the competition in Africa.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by NairobiWalker(m): 7:23pm On Apr 25, 2020
Kazikazi:
BWM gov hospital, Dodoma.TZ

Why don't you start a thread about Tanzania and post these things there and we see how it fares? cheesy

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by AskiaHarem(m): 7:24pm On Apr 25, 2020
rvp20182:
Don't buy into such BS that romanticize Africa history. Africa was very poor, very sickly, and just out there fighting each other like bunch of animals. This kind of BS include literature like "How Europe undeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney". You want to see how Africa was - go the many remote communities that remain untouched by modernity. You'll find many in Africa.

What developed Europe was 1) Industrialisation and 2) International Trade & exchange. What underdeveloped Africa was basically getting cut off from modernity and remaining off-line -off-grid - and largely remote - mostly due to geographical issues.

Now we really have no excuse not to develop and catch up....but of course, development is not instant coffee - it's like turning a large ship - it may appear like nothing is moving - while a lot is happening. Africa is doing great - and we just need to sustain this. There are few laggard dragging us down...Nigeria being the topmost.


You can say thats the History of Kenya or South Africa, but leave the rest of the continent out of it. grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 7:25pm On Apr 25, 2020
nice facility
Kazikazi:
BWM gov hospital, Dodoma.TZ

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by AskiaHarem(m): 7:26pm On Apr 25, 2020
rvp20182:
Don't buy into such BS that romanticize Africa history. Africa was very poor, very sickly, and just out there fighting each other like bunch of animals. This kind of BS include literature like "How Europe undeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney". You want to see how Africa was - go the many remote communities that remain untouched by modernity. You'll find many in Africa.

What developed Europe was 1) Industrialisation and 2) International Trade & exchange. What underdeveloped Africa was basically getting cut off from modernity and remaining off-line -off-grid - and largely remote - mostly due to geographical issues.

Now we really have no excuse not to develop and catch up....but of course, development is not instant coffee - it's like turning a large ship - it may appear like nothing is moving - while a lot is happening. Africa is doing great - and we just need to sustain this. There are few laggard dragging us down... Nigeria being the topmost.


grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 7:26pm On Apr 25, 2020
rvp20182:
Should we begin with grammar school or global geopolitics? Israel really didn't exist during Hilter time. Israel was founded in 1945. The reason Germany and Hilter were mad is that they understood the inordinate power the Jewish cabal held on Europe and the global economy Nothing really has changed. The US is most powerful nation and yet every POTUS dreads the Jewish coalition. You know why everyone with some brains for like the last 200yrs fears the jews - MONEY MONEY MONEY. The jews for centuries have pursued accumulation of money - and transferred inordinate wealth across generation - they literally control the world.

Once you understand how the global economy works - you'll understand the grammar school saying - he who pays the piper calls the tune

You see why you both need geopolitics and grammar class. Israel didn't exist as a country but it exist as nation with identity (Israelites) they are the Jews men that were ambushed by Hitler himself. you sound too stupid and dumb for my liking . I never called Israel, I said Israelites. you may need to understand that sentence grammatically. for the fact that Israel didn't exist didn't mean they arent isrealite.but dumbness and numbness make it escapes your silly bran .

who ever fuel you the ignorance that the Jews control the world is just as dumb as you, the most valuable company by capitalisation is not owned by the Jews. it is owned by Arabs and that is Aramco. the most successful empire over time is not for the Jews .. it is simply the English ( the queen of England throne) the largest weapons manufacturing company in the world is owed by America government. so tell me where the Jews come in. unless you simply tell me all this are part of Jews wealth.


you have been thoroughly misinformed for long hence your stupidity .

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Just30: 7:27pm On Apr 25, 2020
AskiaHarem:


You can say thats the History of Kenya or South Africa, but leave the rest of the continent out of it. grin

you really had time for him grin grin grin

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by kikuyu1(m): 7:29pm On Apr 25, 2020
rvp20182:
Don't buy into such BS that romanticize Africa history. Africa was very poor, very sickly, and just out there fighting each other like bunch of animals. This kind of BS include literature like "How Europe undeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney". You want to see how Africa was - go the many remote communities that remain untouched by modernity. You'll find many in Africa.

What developed Europe was 1) Industrialisation and 2) International Trade & exchange. What underdeveloped Africa was basically getting cut off from modernity and remaining off-line -off-grid - and largely remote - mostly due to geographical issues.

Now we really have no excuse not to develop and catch up....but of course, development is not instant coffee - it's like turning a large ship - it may appear like nothing is moving - while a lot is happening. Africa is doing great - and we just need to sustain this. There are few laggard dragging us down...Nigeria being the topmost.


Come srowry, mzee! Our true history is yet to be told. Yes, we had differences and occasionally fought but we COEXISTED AND COLLABORATED MORE THAN WE KILLED EACH OTHER. I had a recent post on how Kikuyu and Masaai had so much intercultural exchange we'd have become one tribe had the Brits not landed in us.
Dr Rodney may be conceptually dated but his conclusions are still true
-transfer pricing ships profits abroad
-real TOT is still very low and the West will do anything to retain the status quo ( a buddy told me the Americans were looking at the KDF sideways as they were suspicious as to how the F5s, a 1960s design, though 90s manufacture were still flying . They wondered what relationships does the KAF have with F5 operators like Brazil or Switzerland and pondered further if the KAF WERE SECRETLY BUILDING SPARES!? Not an idle thought as the sky itself could fall on all of us if this were true)
-poor commodity prices which have fallen to a fraction of their early 70s pre oil peak
Etc, etc
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by chrisooblog: 7:30pm On Apr 25, 2020
vaxx:
Don't mind him , Egypt , Algeria and Morocco all has powerful beginning . there is sound democracy here even before Greece. we have been given woman the right to commerce and political leadership before Greece the fore front of civilization in Europe . before the Europe thought of allowing women to participate In election. we have Iya lode in the old western oyo ( whom position is like minister of trade and industry ) , same as efunsetan aniwura. A successful business woman that empower the women in trade and employ hundreds of men. In Ashanti kingdom , women are known in the slave trade which is the biggest industry then.

one India academia ( the name escape my mind) says if you want to know the level of civilization of a nation. ask the role of woman?


Europe truly underdeveloped us .


Note , there is a lot of social organization in oyo and Ashanti empire just like that of Europe. and don't buy his bullshit , the kind of war happening here was a child play when you compare it with the west. they are seriously killing themselves just to establish an occupation


you are right europe as well experienced it's fair share of destructive genocidial wars. Ashanti and Oyo kingdoms comparatively were ahead of many European tribal states during the dark ages

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:34pm On Apr 25, 2020
vaxx:
You see why you both need geopolitics and grammar class. Israel didn't exist as a country but it exist as nation with identity (Israelites) they are the Jews men that were ambushed by Hitler himself. you sound too stupid and dumb for my liking . I never called Israel, I said Israelites. you may need to understand that sentence grammatically. for the fact that Israel didn't exist didn't mean they arent isrealite.but dumbness and numbness make it escapes your silly bran .

who ever fuel you the ignorance that the Jews control the world is just as dumb as you, the most valuable company by capitalisation is not owned by the Jews. it is owned by Arabs and that is Aramco. the most successful empire over time is not for the Jews .. it is simply the English ( the queen of England throne) the largest weapons manufacturing company in the world is owed by America government. so tell me where the Jews come in. unless you simply tell me all this are part of Jews wealth.


you have been thoroughly misinformed for long hence your stupidity .
vaxx jews control almost everything in the world..their control is unmatched...they are not defined by country but their actions.from Russia to America to England..some are loyals an multi billionaires.they control the monitery institutions an that is what matters..saudi is just a pussy cat in the game

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Acadavah: 7:36pm On Apr 25, 2020
Dlonra:


The Indian minority in Kenya are just puppets of the Already black owned Economy. They sell products produced by blacks, eat foods produced from black owned farms and Bank in Black owned banks like Equity and KCB.
The wealthiest guys in Kenya are these. I want you to count the number of Blacks compared to Indians and tell me who owns Kenya������https://infoanyday.com/the-richest-people-in-kenya/

Liar, Kenya have no Dollar billionaire.

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 7:40pm On Apr 25, 2020
mtisTheQubit:

vaxx jews control almost everything in the world..their control is unmatched...they are not defined by country but their actions.from Russia to America to England..some are loyals an multi billionaires.they control the monitery institutions an that is what matters..saudi is just a pussy cat in the game
what does Jews control? The dollar house I guess...lol... A straight forward answer we be important

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:40pm On Apr 25, 2020
Africans were killing themselves at primitive scale - European once they had the industrial capacity - could kill themselves or anybody at industrial cale - and for Japanese - they even tested atomic bombs on them. Imagine what would happen in the nuclear age? As regard economy - yes there is of course exploitation lasting centuries - Portuguese and Spanish were all over Africa and America looking for gold long before they started on slaves.

But ultimately Africa economies are poor and primitive.

kikuyu1:


Come srowry, mzee! Our true history is yet to be told. Yes, we had differences and occasionally fought but we COEXISTED AND COLLABORATED MORE THAN WE KILLED EACH OTHER. I had a recent post on how Kikuyu and Masaai had so much intercultural exchange we'd have become one tribe had the Brits not landed in us.
Dr Rodney may be conceptually dated but his conclusions are still true
-transfer pricing ships profits abroad
-real TOT is still very low and the West will do anything to retain the status quo ( a buddy told me the Americans were looking at the KDF sideways as they were suspicious as to how the F5s, a 1960s design, though 90s manufacture were still flying . They wondered what relationships does the KAF have with F5 operators like Brazil or Switzerland and pondered further if the KAF WERE SECRETLY BUILDING SPARES!? Not an idle thought as the sky itself could fall on all of us if this were true)
-poor commodity prices which have fallen to a fraction of their early 70s pre oil peak
Etc, etc

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:44pm On Apr 25, 2020
The Jews existed. Israelites possibly existed only in the bible. Israelis only existed after 1945 - with the formation of Isreal.

As for Aramco smiley - do you really understand how much wealth the Jews control grin including in Oil, gold, diamond, banking, IT, name it, media, academia, name it. You think one company however valuable can challenge the jewish empire.

Jewish wealth is not 50yrs old like those primitive camel riding nomads of Saudis. It probably 500 or more years.

vaxx:
You see why you both need geopolitics and grammar class. Israel didn't exist as a country but it exist as nation with identity (Israelites) they are the Jews men that were ambushed by Hitler himself. you sound too stupid and dumb for my liking . I never called Israel, I said Israelites. you may need to understand that sentence grammatically. for the fact that Israel didn't exist didn't mean they arent isrealite.but dumbness and numbness make it escapes your silly bran .

who ever fuel you the ignorance that the Jews control the world is just as dumb as you, the most valuable company by capitalisation is not owned by the Jews. it is owned by Arabs and that is Aramco. the most successful empire over time is not for the Jews .. it is simply the English ( the queen of England throne) the largest weapons manufacturing company in the world is owed by America government. so tell me where the Jews come in. unless you simply tell me all this are part of Jews wealth.


you have been thoroughly misinformed for long hence your stupidity .
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 7:48pm On Apr 25, 2020
vaxx:
what does Jews control? The dollar house I guess...lol... A straight forward answer we be important
they control the monetary system an media..take an example of Federal Reserve Banks of America...they are jew controlled..most of world top central banks are also jew controlled..the jews control the media, the biggest corporates ,the oil industry just a few..

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by rvp20182: 7:52pm On Apr 25, 2020
They control even their Ashanti gold, diamond, and everything with money on it.
mtisTheQubit:

they control the monetary system an media..take an example of Federal Reserve Banks of America...they are jew controlled..most of world top central banks are also jew controlled..the jews control the media, the biggest corporates ,the oil industry just a few..

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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 7:52pm On Apr 25, 2020
rvp20182:
The Jews existed. Israelites possibly existed only in the bible. Israelis only existed after 1945 - with the formation of Isreal.

As for Aramco smiley - do you really understand how much wealth the Jews control grin including in Oil, gold, diamond, banking, IT, name it, media, academia, name it. You think one company however valuable can challenge the jewish empire.

Jewish wealth is not 50yrs old like those primitive camel riding nomads of Saudis. It probably 500 or more years.

This is becoming too nonsensical and judenhass. You arent taking to the next foolish kenya boy.

In Any field at all, they are multiple different groups and interests, none of which have true control and all of which have to compromise to various degrees. As to the second, no links or evidence have actually been demonstrated of a cabal and until such evidence is revealed, it is nonsense and complete garbage.

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