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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 3:33pm On Apr 29, 2020
Olaide1295:

I listened to GTB earnings call days ago, they have $1.3Billion in dollars(not customer deposits). They are also hedging against devaluation.
please link? Where is the money kept in euro bond or bank vaults in cash...
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Leezah(f): 3:41pm On Apr 29, 2020
emmanuelewumi:
My advise for people who have enough reserves or currently liquid is to buy enough food and consumables that can last them till end of July or August depending on the fund available to them

Make provision for less privilege families and friends. Before thinking of other money making opportunities.

It will get to a stage where we will have money but no food to buy.

May God help us in Nigeria, this pandemic has disrupted a lot of things and the recession is real
You are forward thinking and have insight.

we would soon face food shortage.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by kristien4(m): 3:45pm On Apr 29, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
400m a staff in dangote
This life get as e be sad sad
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 3:48pm On Apr 29, 2020
[quote author=kristien4 post=88992714]This life get as e be sad sad[/quot5e]one new guy dey collect 550m
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by michealekene(m): 3:58pm On Apr 29, 2020
emmanuelewumi:



That is why I always preach liquidity, cash flow and diversification of investments

Hello sir..

I have some fidelity shares, how do I know the actual number of shares and amount involved...and what's the economic outlook of fidelity

It was bought on my behalf a long time ago. I stopped receiving dividends 2018. Please help
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by TotoNaRubber: 4:00pm On Apr 29, 2020
Nigerian government and speculators doesn't really follow the principles of Forex, it is all speculation and like you mentioned if demand for a commodity is high then they will make it scarce and charge you higher. International currencies are dynamic but they follow a pattern which Nigerian speculators rarely follow. I just checked abokifx.com, they have updated the sell price for USD to N460 and EURO to N465 which is more like it but not quite the true value of Euro at the moment.
I think the reserves today is more than that of 2016 but it is all on paper, the depreciation of Naira could continue though the CBN will start intervening, it costs the government nothing to keep borrowing, the foreign lenders that borrow money to Nigeria need to evaluate their repayment too because at some point Nigeria will default, The debt is WAY TOO MUCH. You can imagine Russia with $500 billion in reserves yet their currency depreciates too, Nigeria is like Bitcoin, that's why we need to see these debt instruments as a short term profit.

For your Naira investment, you can keep monitoring things and see what's best.
The last time in 2016, it was tough when dollar was scarce and the same thing could likely happen, i remember i went to my Bank branch and requested to collect USD cash, they told me WE DON'T HAVE DOLLAR shocked, I asked them ok what do i do they directed me to different branches to go and check if the branches have or accept to be paid the equivalent at the current branch in Naira. There are still ways to get around these things if it gets to that depending on bank.

naijaoyibo:
I agree with you on this. However, what if it's the Euro that is underpriced because people do not use Euro as much as the dollar in Nigeria. The Nigerian currency reserves stands at $33 Billion dollars as at today with 30% of that being owned by foreign investors. Back in 2016 when the price of oil crashed, The Naira jumped from 199 to 520 and finally settled at 360. This time around, our reserves are probably lower than that of 2016, and before now the Naira was trading at 360. If we use lessons from the past, the real value of the USD to Naira might be about 600 Naira per dollar. However like a wiseman said above, Nigerian is a country where politics is more important than the economy. The CBN could intervene and crash the rates down to 400, but the question is for how long? Their funds are limited. Russia also has an oil dependent economy much larger than Nigeria's. Russia also possesses more than $500Billion in their reserves. However their currency has lost about 20% value; from 63 ruble to a dollar in February to about 75 ruble to a dollar today. During the steep crash in march, the currency briefly touched 80 ruble to a dollar but has settled down at 74 due to intervention of their Central Bank. Even I still have some Naira Investment but yet to make up my mind on how to react.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmanuelewumi(m): 4:06pm On Apr 29, 2020
michealekene:


Hello sir..

I have some fidelity shares, how do I know the actual number of shares and amount involved...and what's the economic outlook of fidelity

It was bought on my behalf a long time ago. I stopped receiving dividends 2018. Please help


Go with your proof of ownership to First Registrar they have offices in Lagos, Ibadan, Abuja and Port Harcourt. They will tell you your holdings and the process involved in subscribing for edividend so that you can get you outstanding dividends to be paid into your bank account

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by wura2u: 4:06pm On Apr 29, 2020
Nobody seem to talk about Gold as store of value. I have been thinking about purchase of gold to hedge against inflation or currency devaluation. Anybody thinking along this line? Who is into this line of business? How do you keep the gold against robbery?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Olaide1295: 4:12pm On Apr 29, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
please link? Where is the money kept in euro bond or bank vaults in cash...
Here’s the link.

https://www.gtbank.com/investor-relations/investor-news/2019-full-year-investor-conference-call

They also hedged their loans to Oil companies at $50/barrel. So they are not exposed to the oil price crash.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chigo4u: 4:19pm On Apr 29, 2020
Grupo:


Ha. Nawao. And I just sent a few dollars to my dorm account this morning.

Where's now the safest place for someone to keep their money?
Nigerian policies always favor the rich. It will never come to a point where dorm account holdings are converted by fiat to naira. Worst case scenario is scarcity of dollars where it’s hard to withdraw dollars like it happened in 2016

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Theconglomerate(m): 4:27pm On Apr 29, 2020
wura2u:
Nobody seem to talk about Gold as store of value. I have been thinking about purchase of gold to hedge against inflation or currency devaluation. Anybody thinking along this line? Who is into this line of business? How do you keep the gold against robbery?
Keep it at home na.
Abi na one truck of gold you wan buy? shocked shocked

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chigo4u: 4:34pm On Apr 29, 2020
TotoNaRubber:
The reason why buying dollar at this time is a rip off


The current buy rate for dollar stands at N460/$ while the buy rate for euro is N450/€ (This is economically impossible, euro is stronger than dollar anywhere in the world and has always been, and will always be EXCEPT in the manipulated Nigerian black market),
And will always be? Lol. The world economy is changing. Brexit plus oil prices. Dollar is getting stronger everyday while other currencies are losing value including pounds
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by chigo4u: 4:38pm On Apr 29, 2020
Grupo:


Hmm. Are you sure this is the best time to invest in TB?

I invested in February for 182. And by the time the investment matures in August, the capital would have lost enough value.

How much did I gain from such a pointless endeavor? A paltry 57k on an investment of "three point something million."
I remember many people on this thread advised MMF instead of tbills. You would have earned more than 57k with 3.something million by now!

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by wura2u: 4:41pm On Apr 29, 2020
Theconglomerate:
Keep it at home na.
Abi na one truck of gold you wan buy? shocked shocked

There are some other questions in my post, you answered one. I need more feedback.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by wura2u: 4:42pm On Apr 29, 2020
wura2u:
Nobody seem to talk about Gold as store of value. I have been thinking about purchase of gold to hedge against inflation or currency devaluation. Anybody thinking along this line? Who is into this line of business? How do you keep the gold against robbery?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 4:46pm On Apr 29, 2020
Olaide1295:

Here’s the link.

https://www.gtbank.com/investor-relations/investor-news/2019-full-year-investor-conference-call

They also hedged their loans to Oil companies at $50/barrel. So they are not exposed to the oil price crash.
please i went through the 81 page doc on my phone cant find the 1.3bn reserve..pls help me screen shot the part if u can ....i need to know where to hid my small $$$
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Grupo(m): 4:51pm On Apr 29, 2020
chigo4u:

Nigerian policies always favor the rich. It will never come to a point where dorm account holdings are converted by fiat to naira. Worst case scenario is scarcity of dollars where it’s hard to withdraw dollars like it happened in 2016

Hmm. Let's continue to hope so.
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by TotoNaRubber: 4:54pm On Apr 29, 2020
It is a rare investment, there are no so many people who invest in this, you could give it a try, it could be a Gold mine indeed.

The problem is storage, theft and swapping. Imagine you keep it under your pillow and the one million boys break through the door, you get the point grin

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by olujaidi: 4:58pm On Apr 29, 2020
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Newgold ETF. Look it up

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by michealekene(m): 5:24pm On Apr 29, 2020
emmanuelewumi:



Go with your proof of ownership to First Registrar they have offices in Lagos, Ibadan, Abuja and Port Harcourt. They will tell you your holdings and the process involved in subscribing for edividend so that you can get you outstanding dividends to be paid into your bank account

What does this proof of investment entail?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmanuelewumi(m): 5:26pm On Apr 29, 2020
michealekene:


What does this proof of investment entail?

Previous dividend warrants, share certificates and means of identification
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Olaide1295: 5:42pm On Apr 29, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
please i went through the 81 page doc on my phone cant find the 1.3bn reserve..pls help me screen shot the part if u can ....i need to know where to hid my small $$$

It is an investor call where key shareholders ask the CEO questions. The audio is on their website.
The question came in around 36:30 and Segun Agbaje mentioned their Dollar holdings is at about 1.3 -1.4 Billion$

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by odimbannamdi(m): 5:52pm On Apr 29, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
Nigeria is also on the same part with Lebanon..with huge foreign loans to be paid back from dollars earning so where wilm the dollars for import of medicine and machinery come from ... ( def from our 20 billion dollars dorm holdings )....they can convert all the dorm holding by fait.... ( worst case ) or limit your access to your money ...this what is happing in Lebanon

I just read the post in below link about the LCB issue

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN2252NX

The situation is very sad. If our foreign reserves gets too low, our government may do same.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by emmanuelewumi(m): 5:53pm On Apr 29, 2020
Olaide1295:


It is an investor call where key shareholders ask the CEO questions. The audio is on their website.
The question came in around 36:30 and Segun Agbaje mentioned their Dollar holdings is at about 1.3 -1.4 Billion$


He can get their annual report to have an idea of their reserves and retained earnings
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 6:20pm On Apr 29, 2020
Olaide1295:


It is an investor call where key shareholders ask the CEO questions. The audio is on their website.
The question came in around 36:30 and Segun Agbaje mentioned their Dollar holdings is at about 1.3 -1.4 Billion$
that building investor confidence i guess , i hope it not audio it supposed to be in the books ( so that they can be held responsible) if books are Cooked ...i saw cash reserve of 285bn naira in their books , why i wanted to see where an i idle 1 bn dollars will be kept by a Nigeria entity

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Olaide1295: 6:26pm On Apr 29, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
that building investor confidence i guess , i hope it not audio it supposed to be in the books ( so that they can be held responsible) if books are Cooked ...i saw cash reserve of 285bn naira in their books , why i wanted to see where an i idle 1 bn dollars will be kept by a Nigeria entity
Hmm, okay.
Anyways, what do you think will happen to the Naira if CBN floats it?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 6:29pm On Apr 29, 2020
Olaide1295:

Hmm, okay.
Anyways, what do you think will happen to the Naira if CBN floats it?
hyper inflation...they should hold on untill we stop importation of petrol next year and become net exporters cuting 40 forex demand ,and earn 50 billion dollars for export of petrochemical....then we float....
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by b543210: 6:49pm On Apr 29, 2020
Goodevening my people, so sorry to go off topic.

Please I want to know which credible mortgage companies are in Nigeria for Diasporans? Assuming I want to buy a property of 60M and have 20M to pay outrightly, which companies can I approach to pay the remaining 40M within a short period of 4 to 5 years duration to pay back. Please anyone have an idea? thanks for your time.

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by Ikjosh04: 6:51pm On Apr 29, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
hyper inflation...they should hold on untill we stop importation of petrol next year and become net exporters cuting 40 forex demand ,and earn 50 billion dollars for export of petrochemical....then we float....


Hmmmmm. How possible is that?
Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by olujaidi: 6:56pm On Apr 29, 2020
ahiboilandgas:
cbn and Nigeria state has effectively wipe out all profit from your tb investments since 2017, imagine a man that kept 100k (15m ) in 2013 now has over 45m naira ...this shit.....the depreciation rate is 3 much not even after 20 years....if now that we are farming rice the currency is it lossing value .even the Dangote refinary eill not change things......naira is a dead currency

Why do you say the refinery won't change things knowing fully well that a good chunk of our FX earnings are used to finance import of petrol?

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 7:17pm On Apr 29, 2020
olujaidi:


Why do you say the refinery won't change things knowing fully well that a good chunk of our FX earnings are used to finance import of petrol?
when we stop importation of cement we taught naira will gain value ? Now we stop rice with pmb and fertilizer but yet the Naira keeps depreciating ...the cbn also stop allocating to 41 other items but the naira is a dead currency....so how are we sure of the refinary

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Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by ahiboilandgas: 7:18pm On Apr 29, 2020
olujaidi:


Why do you say the refinery won't change things knowing fully well that a good chunk of our FX earnings are used to finance import of petrol?
after we stop rice the naira was supposed to move back to 250...

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