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Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Aybalance: 3:44pm On Apr 15, 2020 |
Aybalance:A particle mass m is attached to one end of a light spring of modulus (lambda), the other end being fixed and the spring vertical.prove that the velocity of the particle when it has transverses a distance 'a' is... |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by thedeedray: 2:23pm On Apr 17, 2020 |
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Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Yemluvkid(m): 2:55pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
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Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Mrshape: 3:03pm On Apr 20, 2020 |
thedeedray:X=1 Or 1.4339 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Godhead4(m): 7:05am On Apr 21, 2020 |
Mrshape: Good morning boss Please I knew how to solve this before but have forgotten I'd be grateful if u solve them. All
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Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Godhead4(m): 7:07am On Apr 21, 2020 |
Martinez39s:I need help, please. All
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Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Godhead4(m): 7:09am On Apr 21, 2020 |
Orestino: Help me solve then please. All
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Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by illicit(m): 8:39am On Apr 21, 2020 |
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Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by jackpot(f): 6:22pm On Apr 29, 2020 |
Among a group of 100 random students, what is the expected number of students who don't share birthdays with others in the group? Note: by birthday, it means same month and day, and not necessarily year. Assumptions: none of the students were born on February 29 and that number of days in a year is 365. Mrshape, dejt4u, martinez39s, Richiez, mathefaro, naturalwaves, other mathematicians please help |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by ifada123: 6:50pm On Apr 29, 2020 |
jackpot:Is require critical thinking o |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by dejt4u(m): 8:52pm On Apr 29, 2020 |
jackpot: N =100 P = 1 - (1/365) = 364/365 Expected value = N×P = 100 × (364/365) = 99.73 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Martinez39s(m): 9:02pm On Apr 29, 2020 |
jackpot:Do you actually mean the number of possible ways in which the students can have their birthdays without any two sharing the same birthday? If that is what you mean, your answer is 365P100 = 365!/265! |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 1:15am On Apr 30, 2020 |
dejt4u:The guru at work again. I greet you sir |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by jackpot(f): 4:29am On Apr 30, 2020 |
dejt4u:That is exactly my first line of thought when I first saw the problem. I think that your answer is from the perspective of a particular member of the group. When you throw in 100 random birthdays, one expects some couple of shared birthdays and a fairly larger proportion of unshared birthdays. Read up birthday paradox: it says that among a group of 23 persons there's an approx. 50-50 chance that there's at least a shared birthday within the group. For example, in the 2014 world cup, 16 teams out of the 32 teams had at least 2 team members sharing a birthday. The paradox is strange but true. |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by jackpot(f): 4:44am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Martinez39s:No. That is not what I mean. If one throws in 100 random birthdays, one expects some birthdays to match and some not to match. If this random experiment is conducted continuously (so to say), on the average, how many birthdays do not match with the others in a group of 100 persons? |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by jackpot(f): 4:51am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by ifada123: 9:13am On Apr 30, 2020 |
jackpot:Let's go. Probability of first person number having birth day with another is 364/365 Second 363/365 Third 362/365 ......... 265/365 So Prob of not have same of 100 persons will be = (First ) and (second ) and (third)and....×(100th no) =(First not) x (second not) x (third not)x.....(100th not) (364/365)×(363/365)×(362/365).......x(265/360) =(1/365)^100 x 364 P100 = Almost everyone will share same birth day
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Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by jackpot(f): 9:48am On Apr 30, 2020 |
ifada123:the answer then would be totally strange. Or don't you think? I thought in same direction but I don't think E=NP should apply. |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by naturalwaves: 10:01am On Apr 30, 2020 |
jackpot: SOLUTION We need to take a step by step approach in order to get this. Since 29th of February is not included, this means that we are dealing with just 365 days. Having said that, what is the expected probability of the 1st student? That is going to be 365/365 days What is the expected probability of the 2nd student? 364/365 Third? 363/365 Fourth....362/365 Fifth..................361/365 This is how it will go on till we get to the 100th student which will be 266/365 but we cannot do this as it will be too cumbersome. Now, let us sort the denominator. Every component in the denominator is 365 i.e 365/365 * 364/365 * 363/365................*266/365. This means that the denominator will be 365100. How about the numerator? We have 365! but we are not going to be needing the whole of it. We only need the area from 365 to 266. How do we get this? All we need do is to divide 365! by 265!. Thus, the desired solution to the problem is; (365!) / (265! * 365100). Modified: So, I have gotten a calculator, (365!) / (265! * 365100). = 3.0725 * 10-7 approximately. That is around 0.00000030725 approx. As you can see, the probability is very slim as it is almost unlikely that out of 100 students, none will share a birthday which makes a lot of sense. cc: Jackpot, Dejt4u, Martinez39s, Mrshape, Richiez, mathefaro,ifada123, Goalnaldo This is also one of the best advanced calculators available: https://keisan.casio.com/calculator 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by dejt4u(m): 10:03am On Apr 30, 2020 |
naturalwaves:I think I like this |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by naturalwaves: 10:09am On Apr 30, 2020 |
dejt4u:Question is quite tricky and requires a high thought process. Will get a calculator to compute final answer soon. |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by jackpot(f): 10:15am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Maybe we should try to simulate it using real data. This is the [url]https://img.fifa.com/image/upload/hzfqyndmnqazczvc5xdb.pdf [/url]for 2018 fifa world cup data with the players birthdays. We can decide to pick any consecutive 100 players. Either from top, middle or bottom. Let's go! 1 Like |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by ifada123: 10:21am On Apr 30, 2020 |
jackpot:To get number of people they did not ask us for the probability So that's why I said almost everyone will have same birth date with someone. Or It is unlikely for someone not to have same birth date with another. Does figures are there for proof. But humans are discrete data so you make it discrete That is 0 no person no birth date mate |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by naturalwaves: 10:26am On Apr 30, 2020 |
jackpot:Did you see the solution I posted? |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by ifada123: 11:00am On Apr 30, 2020 |
naturalwaves: Yes I agree with this 2 Likes |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by dejt4u(m): 11:23am On Apr 30, 2020 |
naturalwaves:but in reality, this is not valid |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by dejt4u(m): 11:24am On Apr 30, 2020 |
jackpot:Yes.. |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by naturalwaves: 11:26am On Apr 30, 2020 |
dejt4u:How is it not valid bro in reality?? If you have a group of 100 people, the probability that none will share same birthday is almost non existent. The probability that at least 2 people will share the same birthday will be quite high. Therefore, it is very valid in reality. |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Goalnaldo(m): 11:36am On Apr 30, 2020 |
naturalwaves:so the answer is not complete yet? |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by naturalwaves: 11:47am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Goalnaldo:Look up now. The solution is there. Let me tag you on it so you can get it. |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Martinez39s(m): 11:52am On Apr 30, 2020 |
naturalwaves:Jackpot never mentioned anything about probability. How did probability get involved in the solution? |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by dejt4u(m): 11:57am On Apr 30, 2020 |
Martinez39s:you can get your expected values from probability.. It is even simpler in this case since our N is 100 |
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