babtoundey:


Africa and the culture of human sacrifice goes handinhand. Even your ancestors were once sacrificed at the alter of ogun to placate and please imported gods.

TAO11:


Again, "Oba" simply means "King". Not sure how many term this has to be said for you to get it.

So, your statement is as saying that Oranmiyan shouldn't have called the Benin ruler "King"

Does that make sense to you?


For the umpteenth time, "Olu" ( just like "Ooni" ) is a praise title.

And it has a meaning to the following effect:

"The outstanding one", "the exemplary one", "the sovereign", "the lord", etc.

It's simply a praise title.

So, every Kingdom with some Yoruba features in it have this double element.

The word "King" i.e. "Oba" is used for the ruler because he is "King" obviously.

In addition to that, a unique traditional praise title is also used for him.

And for the Binis this traditional praise title is Omo N'Oba N'Edo.

To Summarize:

1. Ife ruler is an "Oba" whose praise title is "Ooni-Ife"

2. Oyo ruler is an "Oba" whose praise title is "Alaafin-Oyo"

3. Benin ruler is an "Oba" whose praise title is "Omo N'Oba N'Edo".

Etc.

This can't be clearer.

Edeyoung:


(1) Ooni is a praise term nice.....
Just the way oba in benin is a praise term

(2) But today when you call the name ooni the first thought will be king of ife mind you literally it is not but systematically it has represented king

(3) Just like the Benin are saying that ogie is king
And oba is a praise word but later represented king of benin

(4) Again if oromiyan had given the name oba to benin then what about the title like oon of ife, Alaafin of oyo and co


(5) Nice answer on number two
, egharevba a benin historian was the first to write on orun oba ado he has no reason to lie i guess......
But according to scholars nothing was found in the numerous site even if they were exhumed for ritual they should have been brought back just like the ife artworks that was constantly exhumed and returned back

Edeyoung:


Again omo n' oba N'Edo came into the benin name in the early 1900 it was a knew invention it was never once there.

So meaning benin didnt have a praise name
The statement omo n'oba N'Edo his a typical benin sentence and not that of Yoruba are you saying oromiyan only gave benin a title and no praise name

Tell me what does the statement omo n'oba N'Edo mean to you

TAO11:


Your claim that Omo N'Oba N'Edo is applied in the 1900s IS SIMPLY FALSE.

And I think you didn't make this statement as a mistake. You've simply deliberately lied because you've realized the whole point.

"Omo N'Oba N'Edo" --- which I'm sure you also knkw the meaning --- means "the child who shines for Edo"

It goes back to Eweka1 himself --- The defacto child king.

You shouldn't have lied in the hope to win an argument.

Such behaviour shatters your integrity before me, and denigrates you to the same abyss where samuk et al. belongs.

Edeyoung:


Show me a document in the 1800 at least adressing benin mornach as such


I will reply ur other mentions tomorrow

samuk:


No, my ancestors were not the ones that were sacrificed, according to Yoruba history and historians, it was my ancestors that used to sacrificed your ancestors, the Ijebus to our gods.

Please read it again below.

Regarding "food", the historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep. The Ijebus themselves claim to have descended from Oba-nita, as they say of themselves, "Ogietiele, eru Obanita," i.e., Ogetiele, servants of Obanita. But who was this Oba-nita? Tradition says he also was a victim of sacrifice by the Olowu or King of Owu." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas, pp. 18-19

A historian, Tunde Oduwobi, gives an interesting analysis of this ascription of servile origins to the Ijebu in his publication "Early Ìjèbú history: An analysis on demographic evolution and state formation" (2006). Oduwobi also notes in that article and in another article that, of course, the Ijebu had their own completely different traditions about their origins.

TAO11:


You Binis with ridiculous requests.

Let me turn your own table to you:

Show me a document in the 1800s at least showing that the word "Eto" means "hair".

If you can't produce such written work, then what you claimed earlier that "eto" always means "hair" is a big lie. It only came to be used in the 1900s.

The absurdity of your request must be obvious to you now.


It is an open secret that Omo N'Oba began in reference to Eweka1 --- a de-facto child-king.

I am schocked that you're not ashamed of denying this.

Which Benin ruler became a de-facto child-king in the 1900s to have initiated the praise title "Omo N'Oba"??

#DeadEnd

TAO11:


No, your ancestors were sacrificed to Yoruba gods by the monarchs of the Ife dynasty in Benin kingdom.

Having said that, the Ijebus never had such traditions of themselves, and even your copy & paste agrees that they never had such traditions of themselves.

The fact that a different sub-group makes a degrading claim about another sub-group doesn't make the claim true.

I think you are descended from the the sexual relationship of a particular Edo woman and an ape.

Is this true? Do you agree to this just because this is what I hold about you? 

Furthermore, the historian, Tunde Oduwobi who is also mentioned in your copy & paste also agrees with me that the "insult" is from outside of the sub-group.

And Reverend Johnson (who is not a historian) was simply collecting different traditions floating around regardless of which subgroup is narrating it, and about which subgroup it is being narrated.

cc: babtoundey

TAO11:


You Binis with ridiculous requests.

Let me turn your own table to you:

Show me a document in the 1800s at least showing that the word "Eto" means "hair".

If you can't produce such written work, then what you claimed earlier that "eto" always means "hair" is a big lie. It only came to be used in the 1900s.

The absurdity of your request must be obvious to you now.


It is an open secret that Omo N'Oba began in reference to Eweka1 --- a de-facto child-king.

I am schocked that you're not ashamed of denying this.

Which Benin ruler became a de-facto child-king in the 1900s to have initiated the praise title "Omo N'Oba"??

#DeadEnd

Edeyoung:

You're right tho we got all this missed up because of the English interpretation

Omo n oba was the benin original title meaning
A child that shines the Portuguese came and half the name to oba because they couldn't pronounce the full name

A benin man calls the oba by his full name
Omo n'oba (a shinny child)
The Portuguese halfed the title to only the word oba which was transcribe to oba of benin
Removing the word ba out of omo n'ba

This is to say the full original title of the oba in the edo dialect was not oba but omo n'oba
From the full word omo n' ba n'do ukwapolopolo

This is also could be interpreted in two ways

Oba was coined out by the Portuguese out of the original title of omo n' oba,




please note dont interprete omo n oba to a Yoruba sounding meaning as `child of an oba'

What am saying is omo n' oba (a child that shines) the original title got nothing to do with the yorubas

samuk:


Since you want to continue flogging the issue rather than letting it rest, this is the history of Ijebu as written by Yoruba historians, both agreed on the servile nature of the Ijebus, whether it was the Benin that sacrificed them or Owu, it doesn't really matter. Both Yoruba historians agree that they were slaves, not Ife princes like you would like us believe here on Nairaland.

Both Johnson and Oduwobi agreed that the Ijebus were historically slaves. You now struggle to understand simple English.

Even the Ijebus themselves agree to be descendants of Oba-nita, a sacrificial victim of Owu.

Descendants of Yoruba and Benin sacrificial slaves come here daily to be casting aspersions on the princes and princesses of great Benin hiding under the myths of all Yoruba are princes from Ife.

If you are too blinded by bigotry to see and comprehend what was written, I am sure others will not so be blinded.

It will do you and the Ijebus good to leave this history the way it is because you can't spin it and produce Ife princes out of it. The more you engage on it, the more pages of Ijebu history will be created for those that haven't seen it to see.

Your lying condition is so bad, that you don't realise when you are caught in a trap and tight corner to escape quietly without causing yourself and people more embarrassment.

Let me see how you are going to convince me or any sane person that Ijebu history says they were princes from Ife and not the sacrificial slaves Yoruba history recorded them to have been.

You know that henceforth, your ass is literally my when I catch you writing nonsense about Benin.

Regarding "food", the historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep. The Ijebus themselves claim to have descended from Oba-nita, as they say of themselves, "Ogietiele, eru Obanita," i.e., Ogetiele, servants of Obanita. But who was this Oba-nita? Tradition says he also was a victim of sacrifice by the Olowu or King of Owu." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas, pp. 18-19

A historian, Tunde Oduwobi, gives an interesting analysis of this ascription of servile origins to the Ijebu in his publication "Early Ìjèbú history: An analysis on demographic evolution and state formation" (2006). Oduwobi also notes in that article and in another article that, of course, the Ijebu had their own completely different traditions about their origins.

Amujale:


Archeology, anthropology, linguistics, personnel and symbolism.

There are no caucasoid civilisations in the Indus Valley.

The earliest civilisation in those regions migrated from Africa.

As a matter of fact, Africans are indigenous to all the continents; we have the map and we have traced their movement using archaeology, anthropology, symbolism and personnel comparitive studies.

The first caucasoid civilisation was crete.

The Arabs and the Europeans have the same beginnings.

The earliest traceable Arabian civilisation was in mesopotamia.

That are no Arabs in the Indo valley.

The Chinese and Japanese came from the Mongols.

samuk:


No, my ancestors were not the ones that were sacrificed, according to Yoruba history and historians, it was my ancestors that used to sacrificed your ancestors, the Ijebus to our gods.

Please read it again below.

Regarding "food", the historian Samuel Johnson made the following claim in his book:

"The origin of the Ijebus has been variously given ; one account makes them spring from the victims offered in sacrifice by the King of Benin to the god of the ocean, hence the term Ijebu from Ije-ibu, i.e., the food of the deep. The Ijebus themselves claim to have descended from Oba-nita, as they say of themselves, "Ogietiele, eru Obanita," i.e., Ogetiele, servants of Obanita. But who was this Oba-nita? Tradition says he also was a victim of sacrifice by the Olowu or King of Owu." - Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas, pp. 18-19

A historian, Tunde Oduwobi, gives an interesting analysis of this ascription of servile origins to the Ijebu in his publication "Early Ìjèbú history: An analysis on demographic evolution and state formation" (2006). Oduwobi also notes in that article and in another article that, of course, the Ijebu had their own completely different traditions about their origins.

RamessesIV:
Afrocentrist, all humans migrated from africa,please recheck your claims,earliest humans were proto-humans and again Caucasoid,mongoloid,negroid are not accurate terms the human race is more diverse than that,and "indus people" are not classified as negroid,and again there is no substantial evidence to prove it,only claims which are till date not credible enough to come to such conclusions,besides even ancient arabs are claimed to come from africa due to geography and cultural links and again there is nothing like "African" horners are also caucasoid too,but in future if more credible evidence come font then maybe we can agree on sub-saharan links of "indus people"

RamessesIV:
Afrocentrist, all humans migrated from africa.

RamessesIV:
earliest humans were proto-humans

RamessesIV:
arabs are claimed to come from africa due to geography and cultural links..

RamessesIV:
"indus people" are not classified as negroid,and again there is no substantial evidence to prove it,

RamessesIV:
"African" horners are also caucasoid too,but in future if more credible evidence come font then maybe we can agree on sub-saharan links of "indus people"

Amujale:


Everything truth to someone such as you is viewed through the lens of Eurocentrism.

I suggest you improve your scholarship and reeducate yourself with regards to African history.

What is this notion of Afrocentrism that you bandish about?

Just to be clear, eventhough you may prefer to me Afrocentric as a derogatory connotation, however you need to realise that the true meaning of Afrocentrism is the scholarship, whilst the scholars themselves are better known as Africanist.

Theres no such thing as a 'negroid'.

Where does the term 'Negroid' originate?

There is melanated people and passive melanated people.

Every living person on the planet possesses melanin, however some are active whilst others are passive.

You need to research well rather than follow the malicious narrative of the psedo-science that has been debunked since the late 1900's.

All my teachings are based on scholarship and not merely opinionated.

What is the meaning of the term 'Caucasoid'?

In order for one to ascertain the validity of something its important to perform a thorough perusal.

I dont claim anything that is not subjected to research.

Anything i say or wrtite up about can be researched, does us all a favour and research before you attempt anything.


Heres the deal.

Whatever i have written or shared with the thread that you may find difficult to agree with, research and provide evidence that you think contradicts and we can take it from there.

Where does the term 'Caucasoid' originate from?

Amujale:


I guess you ought to research the history of North Africa.

Who are the original 'horners'?

The demographic of that regions has changed hands more than 100 times in the last 2,100 years.

Furthermore, learn to make use of the term 'South of the Sahara', opposed to 'Sub Sahara'.

Know thyselves.

South of the Sahara ✅

Sub Sahara ✖

The communities 'South of the Sahara' arent sub to anyone or anything nevermind the 'Sahara'.

For further discussion, follow the link here:

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

Amujale:


The only African use for the term 'negroid' is so as to compile certain historical commentary.

We know that is meant to refer to 'melanated active' peoples; they used derogatory terminology so as to attempt to justify there psedu-science. One can overlook the crass terminology and gain the pieces of information.

Indus people was blacksic there is enough evidence to prove that.

Various ethnicities from Africa inhabitted and populated those regions, recent information pinpoints one of these people as the Twa.

Amujale:


The evidence suggest that the current stock of Arabs and Europeans are Caucosoids.

The ancient population of Asia and Europe all originated from Africa.

They was all 'melanated active', in other words, they was blacksic this has been proven without a shadow of a doubt.

Amujale:


Eventhough that isnt even true, assuming we are to go with the flow and work with such hypothesis, Homo Sapien Sapien is said to exist exclusively in Africa. Check?

Given the lack of conclusive evidence to support the Eurocentric commentary on African history, the safest way to conclude is that the early Africans was no different to the humans of today.

Perhaps, this is where we can allow for 'out of the box' thinking, such as the first Africans, the first humans was created by extra-terrestrials.

Amujale:


All the evidence suggest that all humans originate from Africa.

If you have any evidence that contradicts this, you can glady provide it here.

Such understanding resides in the 'Out of Africa' theory.

All human kind are traceable to Africa due to the fact that African people are proven to be the oldest people on planet Earth.

Amujale:


Everything truth to someone such as you is viewed through the lens of Eurocentrism.

I suggest you improve your scholarship and reeducate yourself with regards to African history.

What is this notion of Afrocentrism that you bandish about?

Just to be clear, eventhough you may prefer to me Afrocentric as a derogatory connotation, however you need to realise that the true meaning of Afrocentrism is the scholarship, whilst the scholars themselves are better known as Africanist.



Theres no such thing as a 'negroid'.

Where does the term 'Negroid' originate?

There is melanated people and passive melanated people.

Every living person on the planet possesses melanin, however some are active whilst others are passive.

You need to research well rather than follow the malicious narrative of the psedo-science that has been debunked since the late 1900's.

All my teachings are based on scholarship and not merely opinionated.

What is the meaning of the term 'Caucasoid'?

In order for one to ascertain the validity of something its important to perform a thorough perusal.

I dont claim anything that is not subjected to research.

Anything i say or wrtite up about can be researched, does us all a favour and research before you attempt anything.


Heres the deal.

Whatever i have written or shared with the thread that you may find difficult to agree with, research and provide evidence that you think contradicts and we can take it from there.

Where does the term 'Caucasoid' originate from?

Amujale:
Afrocentrism is a scholarly movement that seeks to conduct research and education on global history subjects, from the perspective of historical African peoples and polities. It takes a critical stance on Eurocentric assumptions and myths about world history, in order to pursue methodological studies of the latter.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrocentrism

samuk:



This only leads credence to Oba Erediawa's claim that the first Ooni was a Benin prince and Benin founded Ife, that's why no any other Yoruba Oba is allowed to be buried in the Ife holy land, except the greatest and the holiest of holy, the Oba of Benin.