samuk:
The Yoruba told us that the Benin people had a fantastic relationship with Ife since 1180AD.

When the European started visiting Benin from 1475 up till 1897, the Benin completely forgot to tell the various Europeans that documented Benin history about Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan. Some of these Europeans were resident in Benin for years. They never saw or hear anything about Benin/Ife relationship. They never saw any message from Benin to Ife or from Ife to Benin.

The Benin remembered to tell the Europeans about everyone else except Ife. Various rulers and people were spoken about and recorded but Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan are missing from the Benin history books and European archives of Benin history between 1475 to 1897.

In 1897, after the fall of the Benin empire, the Benin suddenly woke up and realised that there was one small and very important detail about their history they haven't told anyone for 400 years. That is the Benin/Ife relationship.

Why did Benin forget this very important father and son relationship between Benin and Ife for over 400 years. Was it because there was no relationship in the first place or the Benin were just too busy decimating, conquering, colonising and killing every rebellious rulers around them and in far away lands.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

I didn't expect you to openly admit in your own words to being humiliated by your own inane challenge.

The conversation is however there as the internet doesn't forget. It's summary went as follows:

You: 
I need a writing not later than 1897 showing the names "Oduduwa, "Ife", "Oranmiyan", etc.

Me:
S. Johnson's work was completed in writing by 1897, and it's littered with these names.

You: 
Eeeerm ... (#scratches head#) ... It wasn't typed and printed until afterwards.

Me:
I won't say a word.  

Having been humiliated by your own challenge, here is a challenge for you for 2500 whopping dollars.

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.



Having said that, João de Barros, Duarte Pacheco Percira, Manuel de Figueirdo, Dierick Ruiters, and Alonso de Sandoval all wrote in the early1500s and the 1600s about the King whom the Binis regard as Oghene who was an overlord to your Benin kings.

Scholars of Benin history, examining those early European writings, conlude unanimously that this Oghene is none other that the Ooni of Ife:

The following are scholars who examined those European writing, and have reached that same conlusion:

Stoll (1902), Roth (1903), Marquart (1913), Talbot (1926), Schurhammer (1928), P. Marti (1960), Mauny (1961), R. Bradbury (1964), I. Akinjogbin (1967), R. Law (1973), F. Willett (1973), A. Obayemi (1976), R. Horton (1979), R. Thompson, H. Drewal, S. Blier, S. Akintoye, et al.


But according to samuk, all these experts of African history are all LyInG.

RedboneSmith:


Roupell who was involved in the invasion of 1897 also wrote that the Palace Officials told him that Benin people sent to Ife for a king and Eweka was sent to them.

Please can you provide a reference to above submission u just made?

TAO11:


I didn't expect you to openly admit in your own words to being humiliated by your own inane challenge.

The conversation is however there as the internet doesn't forget. It's summary went as follows:

You: 
I need a writing not later than 1897 showing the names "Oduduwa, "Ife", "Oranmiyan", etc.

Me:
S. Johnson's work was completed in writing by 1897, and it's littered with these names.

You: 
Eeeerm ... (#scratches head#) ... It wasn't typed and printed until afterwards.

Me:
I won't say a word.  

Having been humiliated by your own challenge, here is a challenge for you for 2500 whopping dollars.

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.



Having said that, João de Barros, Duarte Pacheco Percira, Manuel de Figueirdo, Dierick Ruiters, and Alonso de Sandoval all wrote in the early1500s and the 1600s about the King whom the Binis regard as Oghene who was an overlord to your Benin kings.

Scholars of Benin history, examining those early European writings, conlude unanimously that the Ogane is none other that the Ooni of Ife:

The following are scholars who examined those European writing, and have reached that same conlusion:

Stoll (1902), Roth (1903), Marquart (1913), Talbot (1926), Schurhammer (1928), P. Marti (1960), Mauny (1961), R. Bradbury (1964), I. Akinjogbin (1967), R. Law (1973), F. Willett (1973), A. Obayemi (1976), R. Horton (1979), R. Thompson, H. Drewal, S. Blier, S. Akintoye, et al.


But according to samuk, all these experts of African history are all LyInG.

You tried your best but all your references are after 1897, so you failed yet again on this attempt. You can try again.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

samuk:


You tried your best but all your references are after 1897, so you failed yet again on this attempt. You can try again.

Of course, 1500s and 1600s European writings (as well Johnson's work completed in 1897) are all aFtEr 1897.

Challenge For You for a whooping $2500:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.

TAO11:


Of course, 1500s and 1600s European writings (as well Johnson's work completed in 1897) are all aFtEr 1897.

Where are all the Yoruba men here. This is becoming very embarrassing. Poor TAO11, she can't insult, copy and paste her way out of this, please guys, she needs your help come to her rescue.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

samuk:


Where are all the Yoruba men here. This is becoming very embarrassing. Poor TAO11, she can't insult, copy and paste her out of this, please guys, she needs your help come to her rescue.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

Hahahahahaha!

If they join hands in this, then that will be tantamount to maltreating you.

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.

TAO11:

Of course, 1500s and 1600s European writings (as well Johnson's work completed in 1897) are all aFtEr 1897.

Challenge For You for a whooping $2500:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.

I believe if Benin Kingdom was actually Yoruba with Yoruba population, you would probably be saying you conquered Britain..
I know it is frustrating that the only historic achievement Yorubas lay claim to is being taken from them..

davidnazee:


I believe if Benin Kingdom was actually Yoruba with Yoruba population, you would probably be saying you conquered Britain..
I know it is frustrating that the only historic achievement Yorubas lay claim to is being taken from them..

Guy, why? Don't you think I am already causing enough damage, don't you want TAO11 to sleep peacefully tonight?

The Yoruba were invited to share from Benin historical achievements but they want to steal it completely.

davidnazee:


I believe if Benin Kingdom was actually Yoruba with Yoruba population, you would probably be saying you conquered Britain..
I know it is frustrating that the only historic achievement Yorubas lay claim to is being taken from them..

Is this the same boy that escaped, in shame, from my grip days ago??

Let me confirm that thread!!

He is the same boy. I found the thread.

Boy, link below is where you should be addressing now:

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/7#89077140

Oya, before I open my eyes ... alele!!

samuk:


Guy, why? Don't you think I am already causing enough damage, don't you want TAO11 to sleep peacefully tonight?

The Yoruba were invited to share from Benin historical achievements but they want to steal it completely.

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.

samuk:


Guy, why? Don't you think I am already causing enough damage, don't you want TAO11 to sleep peacefully tonight?

Honestly I dont want TAO11 or any Yoruba revisionist to sleep peacefully at all.. its painful to them knowing that Benin kingdom was greater than all Yoruba kingdoms.

TAO11:


Is this the same boy that escaped, in shame, from my grip days ago??

Let me confirm that thread!!

He is the same boy. I found the thread.

Boy, link below is where you should be addressing now:

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/7#89077140

Oya, before I open my eyes ... alele!!

You and your Yoruba revisionists are not escaping from my grip today.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

samuk:


Where are all the Yoruba men here. This is becoming very embarrassing. Poor TAO11, she can't insult, copy and paste her way out of this, please guys, she needs your help come to her rescue.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

benin kings were Yoruba and were only addressed in the palace language which was Yoruba and like other Yorubas they saw Ife as the source. The Benin named their town Yoruba like agenebode which means ago onibode, the outpost of the sentry. However present Benin are no longer Yoruba. The Yoruba were overwhelmed by the edo who lived in the countryside. The palace now speaks edo.

davidnazee:


Honestly I dont want TAO11 or any Yoruba revisionist to sleep peacefully at all.. its painful to them knowing that Benin kingdom was greater than all Yoruba kingdoms.

Because I didn't let you sleep peacefully those times.

Anyways, link below is where you should be addressing now:

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/7#89077140

Oya, before I open my eyes ... alele!!

lawani:
benin kings were Yoruba and were only addressed in the palace language which was Yoruba and like other Yorubas they saw Ife as the source. The Benin named their town Yoruba like agenebode which means ago onibode, the outpost of the sentry. However present Benin are no longer Yoruba. The Yoruba were overwhelmed by the edo who lived in the countryside. The palace now speaks edo.

Absolutely!

Yoruba language was the lingua franca of Benin Kingdom.

When their Kings are Yoruba, who born the subjects make then no learn Yoruba by force by fire.

Who dash monkey banana??

davidnazee:


Honestly I dont want TAO11 or any Yoruba revisionist to sleep peacefully at all.. its painful to them knowing that Benin kingdom was greater than all Yoruba kingdoms.

This is what happen to those you invite to come and share from your glory and they turn around to want to steal everything to themselves.

Benin history that they want to steal was forged in blood of thousands of brave men and women who made incalculable sacrifices for centuries.

The Yoruba can't just wake up one day and convert it to their own.

samuk:


You and your Yoruba revisionists are not escaping from my grip today.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

The beheaded one, making some attempt to speak:

Except that I humiliated you on your moronic challenge but you chose to shamelessly continued rolling in your poop.

The challenge for you is shown below:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived

lawani:
benin kings were Yoruba and were only addressed in the palace language which was Yoruba and like other Yorubas they saw Ife as the source. The Benin named their town Yoruba like agenebode which means ago onibode, the outpost of the sentry. However present Benin are no longer Yoruba. The Yoruba were overwhelmed by the edo who lived in the countryside. The palace now speaks edo.

Trust me our silent readers will be laughing at you right now.

Please humble us and prove your claims.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

TAO11:


Because I didn't let you sleep peacefully those times.

Anyways, link below is where you should be addressing now:

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/7#89077140

Oya, before I open my eyes ... alele!!

There's no need arguing with a tribal bigot.. You can keep wishing for Mighty Benin Kingdom.

samuk:


This is what happen to those you invite to come and share from your glory and they turn around to want to steal everything to themselves.

Benin history that they want to steal was forged in blood of thousands of brave men and women who made incalculable sacrifices.

The Yoruba can't just wake one day and convert it to their own.

Is somebody trying to retrace their steps?

Is somebody kind of admitting the Edos invited rulers from Ife??

Looks like somebody is admitting a historic fact, but still see the need to give the admission a bigoted spin as expected.

davidnazee:


There's no need arguing with a tribal bigot.. You can keep wishing for Mighty Benin Kingdom.

See the link below where I beheaded you with your sword:

Do you remember?

Where you requested me to prove that Ife was greater than Benin.

When you ran away (without even saying "Im sorry" ) after I did what you requested using your own material which you brought forward.

Do you now remember? Refer to the link for a refresher.

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/7#89077140

samuk:


Trust me our silent readers will be laughing at you right now.

Please humble us and prove your claims.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

Yoruba language was the lingua franca of Benin Kingdom.

I don't expect an illiterate who hasn't read a book on Benin history to know this!




The challenge for you is shown below:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.

samuk:


Trust me our silent readers will be laughing at you right now.

Please humble us and prove your claims.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

Benin, Ife Ibinu was one of the numerous Yoruba speaking states in West Africa. Benin is second to oyo in empire building, we still have other Yoruba nation states like Ijesa, Ijebu and etc. Edo language was just one of the numerous vernacular spoken in the Benin empire. Official language was a Yoruba dialect. Benin empire was a sister empire to other Yoruba states.

TAO11:


Is somebody trying to retrace their steps?

Is somebody kind of admitting the Edos invited rulers from Ife??

Looks like somebody is admitting a historic fact, but still see the need to give the admission a bigoted spin as expected.

We have already stated that the Benin/Ife relationship was fabricated in 1930 to unite the former Western region, but the whole thing went into you guys head, the more you read about Benin glorious past, the more your scholars were coming up with fabrications to completely steal the history for Yoruba.

Every single aspect of Benin history were being fabricated and given Yoruba interpretation.

It will be a disservice to those who paid the ultimate price to build such a civilisation for centuries if we just seat back and allow you people to completely steal our history.

I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

lawani:
Benin, Ife Ibinu was one of the numerous Yoruba speaking states in West Africa. Benin is second to oyo in empire building, we still have other Yoruba nation states like Ijesa, Ijebu and etc. Edo language was just one of the numerous vernacular spoken in the Benin empire. Official language was a Yoruba dialect. Benin empire was a sister empire to other Yoruba states.

Absolutely!

Yoruba was their lingua franca. That's well documented in the archives.

Who born them make dem no speak Yoruba when their Obas are Ife-Yoruba??

Who dash monkey banana?

TAO11:


See the link below where I beheaded you with your sword:

Do you remember?

Where you requested me to prove that Ife was greater than Benin.

And when I did you then ran away without even saying you're sorry!

Do you now remember? Refer to the link for a refresher.

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/7#89077140

Ife greater than Benin Kingdom? You are a joker..
Benin Kingdom was the greatest and most powerful of all Kingdoms that existed in West Africa.. That is why Benin forever will be addressed as "Great Benin" Imperial Benin" Powerful Kingdom of Benin, Mighty Benin.. You don't hear that about any Yoruba Kingdoms and definetly not tiny village Ife.

samuk:


We have already stated that the Benin/Ife relationship was fabricated in 1930 to unite the former Western region, but the whole thing went into you guys head, the more you read about Benin glorious past, the more your scholars were coming up with fabrications to completely steal the history for Yoruba.

Every single aspect of Benin history were being fabricated and given Yoruba interpretation.

It will be a disservice to those who paid the ultimate price to build such a civilisation for centuries if we just seat back and allow you people to completely steal our history.

Obviously you and the voices in your head are the "We" you mentioned above.


https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/10#89191403

TAO11:


Obviously you and the voices in your head are the "We" you mentioned above.


https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/10#89191403

Please prove me wrong.

Where are all the Yoruba men here. This is becoming very embarrassing. Poor TAO11, she can't insult, copy and paste her out of this, please guys, she needs your help come to her rescue.


I am throwing an open challenge to anyone here to provide any mention of Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan in Benin written history between 1475 to 1897, a 400 years period. I will send that person $1000, yes one thousand dollars to cushion the effects of these lockdown.

davidnazee:


Ife greater than Benin Kingdom? You are a joker..
Benin Kingdom was the greatest and most powerful of all Kingdoms that existed in West Africa.. That is why Benin forever will be addressed as "Great Benin" Imperial Benin" Powerful Kingdom of Benin, Mighty Benin.. You don't hear that about any Yoruba Kingdoms and definetly not tiny village Ife.

Ife was not an empire but oyo was by far greater than Benin.

davidnazee:


Ife greater than Benin Kingdom? You are a joker..
Benin Kingdom was the greatest and most powerful of all Kingdoms that existed in West Africa.. That is why Benin forever will be addressed as "Great Benin" Imperial Benin" Powerful Kingdom of Benin, Mighty Benin.. You don't hear that about any Yoruba Kingdoms and definetly not tiny village Ife.

We've gone through this before.

You asked for proof that Ife was greater.

And it was provided to you from the same attachment you brought along to support you.

And then you ran away silently without even saying youre sorry.

See below for a refresher:

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/7#89077140

TAO11:


Yoruba language was the lingua franca of Benin Kingdom.

I don't expect an illiterate who hasn't read a book on Benin history to know this!




The challenge for you is shown below:

Provide me a book written between 1475 and 1930 with the mention of the name "Ekalderhan". I will send you $2500 to cushion the effect of the lockdown if you can.

And if you can't, then know that such person does not exist and your ancestors have been deceived.

I always knew your passion is driven by tribalism and you just proved that with you bolden statement above..
If yoruba was the lingua franca of the Benin Palace early visitors to Benin would have documented about it, that the Oba palace spoke Yoruba language.
Now this is your latest foolish claim.. If Yoruba kings/palace are speaking Hausa/Fulani doesn't mean Benin Kings speak Yoruba.. You are the conquered ones.

davidnazee:


I always knew your passion is driven by tribalism and you just proved that with you bolden statement above..
If yoruba was the lingua franca of the Benin Palace early visitors to Benin would have documented about it, that the Oba palace spoke Yoruba language.
Now this is your latest foolish claim.. If Yoruba kings/palace are speaking Hausa/Fulani doesn't mean Benin Kings speak Yoruba.. You are the conquered ones.

That's the point!

They documented it.

I didn't expect an illiterate like you to know.

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