Beorn:


I wanted to talk about this last night but I forgot.


The reason why homosexuality has not been an issue in our culture is because back in the days of our great grandparents, you dare not come out as a gay. Them no born you well to because of the inhumane punishment or even death that awaits you.

We are talking of traditions that birthed caste system. Traditions that supported killing of twins. Cultures where humans are used as sacrifice, etc. Even then, having sex without getting married had its consequences. How much more do you think that a gay person would suffer?

They chose to remain in the closet for fear of what would befall them. It's modern times that gave more liberty to homosexuals to come out of the closet.

mekaprime:


You deserve one chilled bottle of beer for this. Exactly what i told him, it's punishable by death or if there were lenient enough, the 2 individual involved would be poured ash & made to walk nude in the market place, after that they'll be banished & their families had to undergo rituals to cleanse the land.
When I told him he knew not what he was arguing on, it seemed as though I was insulting him.

Though, we still have a form of homosexual marriage amongst women that was accepted & deemed ok & it's still practiced even now

whitelotus:



So, because I used the term "Jewish sheep", my points are now invalid.

If you have nothing to say, kindly keep quiet.

Beorn:


Jerome doesn't have deep knowledge about Igbo culture, so it's not going to be easy trying to enlighten him about Igbo traditions.

mekaprime:


This whole discussion, what was the aim? was it to insult or enlighten?
cause you can't really have both. when you resort to insults, no matter how valid your points, are, it automatically becomes invalid.

if you insult your co-debater, how do you want em' to have an open mind or a rational thought towards your disposition, the individual would be fixated on returning the insults back, rather than the message you preach.

I had wanted to comment on that from the onset, but i just let it slide. The fact is that every discussion on here, you try to bring in religion into it, for the sole purpose of making the religious seem foolish for clinching to their fate. Wasn't i the person who asked you what a movie about a man kissing a fellow man had to do with religion.

mekaprime:


You deserve one chilled bottle of beer for this. Exactly what i told him, it's punishable by death or if there were lenient enough, the 2 individual involved would be poured ash & made to walk nude in the market place, after that they'll be banished & their families had to undergo rituals to cleanse the land.
When I told him he knew not what he was arguing on, it seemed as though I was insulting him.

Though, we still have a form of homosexual marriage amongst women that was accepted & deemed ok & it's still practiced even now

Beorn:


Jerome doesn't have deep knowledge about Igbo culture, so it's not going to be easy trying to enlighten him about Igbo traditions.

Beorn:
JeromeBlack aka Whitelotus, this one is for you...


https://www.nairaland.com/5835712/strange-satanism-bill-gates-reno


Shebi, Reno Omokri is a Christian? Did you see him calling Gates and Belinda satanic? Yet, you're quick to use the blabbermouth FFK as a mouthpiece for Christians. I didn't know of this thread when I supported Gates and typed something similar yesterday before the thread hit FP this morning.


This is to show you that not all Christians believe non-believers are demonic. Once upon a time, polio vaccines were rejected and seen as evils, today all parents want it for their children. That's the same way some ignorant people like FFK will rally against Covid-19 vaccine if it's out, believing some dumb conspiracy theories, but las las, then go still take the vaccine.

whitelotus:




Enlighten me about what? You talk as if Igbo culture or any culture is some phd course at the university.

hard truth many of them will find it difficult to swallow

whitelotus:



I LEFT CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE A WHITE MAN CALLED ME A SLAVE. A SLAVE TO A RELIGION THAT ENSLAVED MY FOREFATHERS. I told the white man that he is a no-good racist and left. But even long after, the pain of being called a slaved stayed with me. Being a curious person, I did my research on religion and slavery.......you know how that ends.....

Ishilove:

*Pantie sniffing

whitelotus:


The point is that the bible does tell christians rubbish about atheists and unbelievers and there are enough christians to carry out these rubbish in real life. The fact that there are sensible christians does not undo the harm that thousands of ignorant christians will do to the public.

The christians in America that still went to church and went on protest (the conservative right in america is mostly christian) will or have already contributed to the spread of coronavirus in America. But someone like you will come and mention the good christians in America as a defence.

Beorn:


Some people did their PhD in other people's traditions. Yes, Igbo culture or any other culture can be a PhD study.

whitelotus:

You know what I meant

Beorn:


And no atheist protested in American and joined other theists in spreading the disease. Na only Christians protest? Stop making it about Christianity. Misinformed people, both religious and non-religious were guilty of protesting. Everything to you na war against religion. SMH.

whitelotus:



I actually try not to bring religion into this thread. I only talk about religion when it is used to analyse movies in this thread. I respond, I never actually actively bring religion into this thread.

Trying to paint me bad will never work as a defence for your religion.

Furthermore, I only ever insult people when they are either being purposefully block-headed or aggressive- especially when they insult first.

Also, most homophobia is steeped in religion. That is why when the gay topic comes up, I always bring up religion.

Lastly, mockery and well directed insults work on some level. Do you know how I left christianity? I LEFT CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE A WHITE MAN CALLED ME A SLAVE. A SLAVE TO A RELIGION THAT ENSLAVED MY FOREFATHERS. I told the white man that he is a no-good racist and left. But even long after, the pain of being called a slaved stayed with me. Being a curious person, I did my research on religion and slavery.......you know how that ends.....

whitelotus:


False. It is about percentages. What percentage of atheists were in the protest?

There are atheist organisations in America. The American Atheists, Atheist Alliance etc. None of them supported such rallies. But churches and evangelicals were are the forefront of protests.

whitelotus:




Eh? Ishilove?

lmao

mekaprime:


Drop your state & your village, I'd gladly make my findings & prove you wrong. And how do you know people hardly visit the "only" shrine in your village?
You saying Shrine connotes evil just proved my earlier point.
In traditional Igbo system of government, you probably don't know the role of shrines & masquerades. Shrines were the judiciary arm of government, the last hope of the common man as regards delivery of equitable Justice. Masquerades were the executive arm that enforces the law. The topmost age grades were the legislature arms who made the law. Even till now, this system is still working & applicable.

.
layman's mentality.

Beorn:


Story for the gods. So, after the white man called you a slave to a religion that enslaved your forefathers, why didn't you go back to the traditions of your forefathers if that's the reason you left? Rather, you left religion all together, ditching even that of your forefathers coz you got emotionally hurt.

Beorn:


Theists are more in percentage than atheists normally. So, how you'd expect atheists to be more in percentage?

Besides, coz people protesting are mainly religious people doesn't mean no atheists were there. Did you interview the multitude personally to know all were religious?

mekaprime:


You know why nobody cared to listen to you or heed your warnings?
Now listen. The Ogbunike caves have been there for centuries & those bats has also been it's inhabitants for centuries. That cave you see there is more than just a cave, it's a sort of deity, reverenced by the Ogbunike people. Those bats can't hurt nobody nor spread any disease. Am not saying bats don't cause those 2 disease you stated, they do, but the ones at Ogbunike caves wouldn't hurt you.
If it had caused those 2 disease you stated, that place would have been shut down a long time ago & you'd been hearing cases of the disease amongst it's local inhabitants.
It's basically same for every town or village in the East, they'll have what they reverence. The entrance fee tourist pay, what do you think it for?

So you see, that thread was you, basically making a mountain out of a molehill, that's why nobody gave a fvck. If you were knowledgeable about the customs & traditions of folks, you ought to have understood better.


.

Ishilove:

I'm just clarifying. Your jibe was fishy pantie sniffing, not pantie washing.

whitelotus:


I already knew the traditions of my forefathers long before the white man. I dont know what the hell you are talking about. Do you think I grew up outside Nigeria to white parents or something? Are you mad?

You cannot escape the fact that christianity is a foreign religion used to colonise and enslave blacks. That is a painful fact that will never change.

whitelotus:



Whatever bro.

You cannot be using good christians to cover up for bad christians

It is like when muslims point out good muslims to cover up the work of terrorist muslims.

whitelotus:


Lol...Beorn, come and see your igbo brother.


How can you be defending foolishness in the name of spirituality and tradition? The people from Wuhan China have been buying eating live animals for centuries but mutations happened and now, they got a powerful virus.

That people did not get viruses in the past from the cave is no guarantee that they wont get in the future. Bats are disease carrying creatures. There are already cases of bats giving people viruses in other West African countries.

Doesn't your bible tell you not to tempt God? You are tempting fate with that cave

whitelotus:



For security reasons, I will not drop my village.


I will not drag the obvious any further. That you are denying that "shrines" have a negative connotation in Nigeria is telling on your mindset


Your traditional igbo system of government is dead or at best, dying every day with the growth of modern civilization. Trust me. I come from a village that is now a town

How can you be defending foolishness in the name of spirituality and tradition? The people from Wuhan China have been buying eating live animals for centuries but mutations happened and now, they got a powerful virus

That people did not get viruses in the past from the cave is no guarantee that they wont get in the future. Bats are disease carrying creatures. There are already cases of bats giving people viruses in other West African countries

Beorn:


I'm not mad, it seems like you are coz you're suddenly all up in your feelings instead of answering the question I asked you.

I didn't say you don't know the traditions of your forefathers, rather I asked you why you didn't return to the traditions of your forefathers after a white man's words got to you. You were a Christian, a white man insulted you and instead of returning back to the original beliefs of your forefathers as a middle finger to the white man or as an emancipation from white slavery, you ditched your forefathers' beliefs as well to be an atheist.

It doesn't add up. Cool story, anyway.

Beorn:


I'm not mad, it seems like you are coz you're suddenly all up in your feelings instead of answering the question I asked you.

I didn't say you don't know the traditions of your forefathers, rather I asked you why you didn't return to the traditions of your forefathers after a white man's words got to you. You were a Christian, a white man insulted you and instead of returning back to the original beliefs of your forefathers as a middle finger to the white man or as an emancipation from white slavery, you ditched your forefathers' beliefs as well to be an atheist.

It doesn't add up. Cool story, anyway.