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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 6:33am On May 08, 2020
raumdeuter:


1. What of the other players in the position Maddison, Son Grealish Traore

2. Applying such model, Lingaard should be there based on performances in a few games
No, predictive models use current performances to predict the future. So the inclusion of Bruno is reasonable because it's assumed that his future performances will be a function of his performances before the lockdown and going by that assumption, Lingard won't even come close at all.

Anyways, a model is has good as the assumption put into it.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 7:20am On May 08, 2020
Jodera:
hope you're not referring to arsenal that giroud is playing "mainly as a sub"?

Almost 50% of his EPL appearance (Chelsea/Arsenal) are Subs
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by afrodoc2: 8:35am On May 08, 2020
Expert17:


I understand Bruno's inclusion

1. No other option

2. Applying statistical model, he would hv still be in the team even if he played 29 games



Nah. This is worse than a polling booth award, more like a beer parlor award.

Bruno does not deserve to be in the team of the year after playing 5 out of 29 games.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 8:55am On May 08, 2020
9jamyHome:
No, predictive models use current performances to predict the future. So the inclusion of Bruno is reasonable because it's assumed that his future performances will be a function of his performances before the lockdown and going by that assumption, Lingard won't even come close at all.

Anyways, a model is has good as the assumption put into it.
We are talking about what happened not what will happen.

Na trash award.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 9:13am On May 08, 2020
Expert17:


Almost 50% of his EPL appearance (Chelsea/Arsenal) are Subs
You can say Chelsea. But he was a starter at arsenal since August 2012(departure of van persie) till he left arsenal. The only season he wasn't a starter was Sanchez final full season. Aside that he was a starter at arsenal for almost 5 seasons
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 9:16am On May 08, 2020
9jamyHome:
No, predictive models use current performances to predict the future. So the inclusion of Bruno is reasonable because it's assumed that his future performances will be a function of his performances before the lockdown and going by that assumption, Lingard won't even come close at all.

Anyways, a model is has good as the assumption put into it.
This is a sentimental or bias talk of the highest order. If he wasn't a man u player, I guess you would have said it unbiasedly
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 9:17am On May 08, 2020
ChristineC:


Salah Vardy Aubameyang should take front three.
it's true sef. I've forgotten Auba
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 9:30am On May 08, 2020
Jodera:
You can say Chelsea. But he was a starter at arsenal since August 2012(departure of van persie) till he left arsenal. The only season he wasn't a starter was Sanchez final full season. Aside that he was a starter at arsenal for almost 5 seasons

Okay....

But he is 15th on all time EPL sub appearance...

Also, 2nd on Highest goal scored by a sub
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:00am On May 08, 2020
grin

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 10:24am On May 08, 2020
Jodera:
it's true sef. I've forgotten Auba
You forgot ur own club's striker that is 2nd with most goals? Uncle Jo is everything ok? lipsrsealed
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:38am On May 08, 2020
Jodera:
This is a sentimental or bias talk of the highest order. If he wasn't a man u player, I guess you would have said it unbiasedly
Lol, emotions apart, the statistics are there. As at the time the league was suspended, Lingard has played 9 matches (plus 11 as a sub) with 5 shots on target and 0 goals while Bruno played just 5 matches but contributed 7 shots on target, 3 assists and 2 goals. It was on the basis that I nullified Lingard.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 12:06pm On May 08, 2020
Expert17:


Okay....

But he is 15th on all time EPL sub appearance...

Also, 2nd on Highest goal scored by a sub
well, for the bolded, it might be true, cos when he was mostly subbed, he mostly scores goals. But his time predominantly at arsenal he was a sure sure starter. He was equally frustrating too
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 12:09pm On May 08, 2020
Lana1:
You forgot ur own club's striker that is 2nd with most goals? Uncle Jo is everything ok? lipsrsealed
grin grin grin... Seeing Mane at that wing is a justifiable inclusion, that's why my mind didn't go towards auba. Maybe if another person was there, and not mane, I would have obviously remembered him.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 12:15pm On May 08, 2020
9jamyHome:
Lol, emotions apart, the statistics are there. As at the time the league was suspended, Lingard has played 9 matches (plus 11 as a sub) with 5 shots on target and 0 goals while Bruno played just 5 matches but contributed 7 shots on target, 3 assists and 2 goals. It was on the basis that I nullified Lingard.
lol...I'm not talking about lingard sha. I'm talking about Bruno's inclusion. Same model if projected will have made Vardy looked like he would have scored 30 goals by now...but see?
So we can't use that at all to judge.
With the way James was scoring beginning of season, someone will think he'll at least reach double figures in EPL (at least 10-12 goals) , but he's still away. That's how deceiving the model can be. Football no be maths, so using mathematics to include Bruno into the team is pure sentiment.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by iamoyindamola(m): 12:56pm On May 08, 2020
TrebleChamp:
The dude that replaced Maguire at Leicester City..
grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 1:11pm On May 08, 2020
Solskjær: "What we're working towards - with the principles and the way we want to play - yes, we're settled defensively, we want to get more exciting attacking wise, but with Marcus back, Bruno and Paul back, you'd expect us to be more exciting."

- Sky
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Oasis007(m): 1:14pm On May 08, 2020
Solskjær: "We're still in the FA Cup, we'd like to win it, the Europa League we're still in. Of course we'd like to win trophies. I think the players we have are exciting, and they're getting better and better, most of them are improving."

- Sky
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CAPdan21(m): 1:15pm On May 08, 2020
Jodera:
grin grin grin... Seeing Mane at that wing is a justifiable inclusion, that's why my mind didn't go towards auba. Maybe if another person was there, and not mane, I would have obviously remembered him.
If anyone should not be on the front three it is Salah not Mane..Mane has been the best player in the EPL this season
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CAPdan21(m): 1:15pm On May 08, 2020
Jodera:
grin grin grin... Seeing Mane at that wing is a justifiable inclusion, that's why my mind didn't go towards auba. Maybe if another person was there, and not mane, I would have obviously remembered him.
If anyone should not be on the front three it is Salah not Mane..Mane has been the best player in the EPL this season
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by codedguy1(m): 1:32pm On May 08, 2020
Botfuss:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzOzx9ABbGA


This guy is the best I’ve seen after van persie.

Although na highlights, I like his game.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Jodera: 2:06pm On May 08, 2020
CAPdan21:

If anyone should not be on the front three it is Salah not Mane..Mane has been the best player in the EPL this season
True... But who is exceptional in that right wing aside salah?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 2:47pm On May 08, 2020
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Keeper should be Sheffield’s Henderson. He’s done more this season than Allison has.

Liverpool’s Henderson should not be in there at all.

Midfield: KdB, H. M. Son and one of Fabinho, Ndidi or Rodri.

Forwards should be Vardy, Mané and Aubameyang

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 3:33pm On May 08, 2020
Leyqute:
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Keeper should be Sheffield’s Henderson. He’s done more this season than Allison has.

Liverpool’s Henderson should not be in there at all.

Midfield: KdB, H. M. Son and one of Fabinho, Ndidi or Rodri.

Forwards should be Vardy, Mané and Aubameyang
Looking at the stats for this season, I see no reason why Fabinho should be considered ahead of Henderson. As it stands, Henderson can never do no right in our sight anymore
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 4:01pm On May 08, 2020
eph12:

Looking at the stats for this season, I see no reason why Fabinho should be considered ahead of Henderson. As it stands, Henderson can never do no right in our sight anymore

What about Ndidi and Rodri?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 4:12pm On May 08, 2020
eph12:

Looking at the stats for this season, I see no reason why Fabinho should be considered ahead of Henderson. As it stands, Henderson can never do no right in our sight anymore
the truth is Liverpool has no worthy mention in midfield this season.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CAPdan21(m): 4:20pm On May 08, 2020
ChristineC:
the truth is Liverpool has no worthy mention in midfield this season.
Lol...Henderson totally deserves his spot..Fabinho form fell off a cliff after his injury..Apart from Ndidi I don't really see the competition and even if you want to include him you'll have to remove fernandes not henderson.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 4:51pm On May 08, 2020
CAPdan21:

Lol...Henderson totally deserves his spot..Fabinho form fell off a cliff after his injury..Apart from Ndidi I don't really see the competition and even if you want to include him you'll have to remove fernandes not henderson.
KdB, Ndidi, Son (quota filled)
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 4:57pm On May 08, 2020
eph12:

Looking at the stats for this season, I see no reason why Fabinho should be considered ahead of Henderson. As it stands, Henderson can never do no right in our sight anymore

As in............they just hate the Guy....

Someone is even mentioning Rodri ahead of Henderson.....WTF grin grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by odizeey(m): 5:05pm On May 08, 2020
eph12:

Looking at the stats for this season, I see no reason why Fabinho should be considered ahead of Henderson. As it stands, Henderson can never do no right in our sight anymore
Him no dey count leg over
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 5:41pm On May 08, 2020
Leyqute:


What about Ndidi and Rodri?
They're both okay I guess.

Lfc midfield is hardly dominated. Henderson is a huge part of that midfield
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CAPdan21(m): 5:42pm On May 08, 2020
ChristineC:

KdB, Ndidi, Son (quota filled)
There's only spot for 3 attackers..if son cannot make the front three it's not to try to shoehorn him into midfield...You either change formation or call another midfielder to take his place, or are you saying Liverpool were about to set EPL points record with passengers for midfielders
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 6:11pm On May 08, 2020
CAPdan21:

There's only spot for 3 attackers..if son cannot make the front three it's not to try to shoehorn him into midfield...You either change formation or call another midfielder to take his place, or are you saying Liverpool were about to set EPL points record with passengers for midfielders
so Son doesn't fit in midfield because he plays other positions?

is it about passengers or because they want to set record points mean they have the best players in every position?
Mane is also a notable mention but for me he slightly misses out in favor of Salah if we are looking at it statistically, except there is another criteria because these things are always inconsistent anyway.

will James Maddison also be only available as a forward?

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