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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 6:21pm On May 08, 2020
CAPdan21:

There's only spot for 3 attackers..if son cannot make the front three it's not to try to shoehorn him into midfield...You either change formation or call another midfielder to take his place, or are you saying Liverpool were about to set EPL points record with passengers for midfielders

The funny thing is, Henderson is a top contender for EPL best player.

I dnt like him for anything, but he has done well this season.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CAPdan21(m): 6:27pm On May 08, 2020
Expert17:


The funny thing is, Henderson is a top contender for EPL best player.

I dnt like him for anything, but he has done well this season.

People are just biased against him...He might not be the best player this season, for me Mane and De bruyne are ahead of him but he certainly belongs in the conversation
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 6:48pm On May 08, 2020
Expert17:


The funny thing is, Henderson is a top contender for EPL best player.

I dnt like him for anything, but he has done well this season.
but how can you be a top contender when you are not even among the best in your position?

Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 7:06pm On May 08, 2020
ChristineC:
but how can you be a top contender when you are not even among the best in your position?

So mention 3 CM, better than Henderson in EPL this season
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 7:53pm On May 08, 2020
ChristineC:
the truth is Liverpool has no worthy mention in midfield this season.
Just seeing this

IMO, this is not correct. LFC midfield is almost never dominated. Aside City, I can't remember them being dominated. Henderson is a huge part of that midfield that dominates other midfield
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 8:02pm On May 08, 2020
Expert17:


So mention 3 CM, better than Henderson in EPL this season

You don’t need to be a CM to be a top contender for the EPL’s best.

And even at that KDB stands heads and shoulders above Henderson. You shouldn’t even mention Henderson at all when it comes to player of the season. Mané, Vardy, Arnold are even ahead of him in the pecking order.

I don’t know where the Henderson talk comes from. If it’s by appearances, Tom Cleverly should’ve won POTY when he was at Man U.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 8:07pm On May 08, 2020
eph12:

They're both okay I guess.

Lfc midfield is hardly dominated. Henderson is a huge part of that midfield

Is Henderson a huge part of Liverpool’s success? Arnold, Robertson, Mané, Salah and VVD have contributed more to Liverpool’s point haul than he has actually. That’s 5 out of the 11 players in the team.

Let’s dead this talk abeg.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 8:20pm On May 08, 2020
Leyqute:


Is Henderson a huge part of Liverpool’s success? Arnold, Robertson, Mané, Salah and VVD have contributed more to Liverpool’s point haul than he has actually. That’s 5 out of the 11 players in the team.

Let’s dead this talk abeg.
I said midfield

Not everything is goals and assists.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by rabazamba: 8:24pm On May 08, 2020
GloryIsaac:


Ezenwa’s chances are almost 0%... You can only play one goalkeeper at a time. United has

DDG (Arguably Spain’s 1st Choice)
Romero (Argentina’s 1st Choice)
Dean Henderson (Performed excellently at Sheffield)
Lee Grant..

Man is 32, plays in NPFL, not Nigeria’s 1st or 2nd Choice....

A lot of things will have to happen for his United dream to come true lmao

PS: Ighalo had previously taken the EPL by storm with Watford, and United desperately needed a striker.
Valid points

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by rabazamba: 8:24pm On May 08, 2020
Leyqute:


Where do these people come from sef?
What a response.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:24pm On May 08, 2020
Leyqute:


You don’t need to be a CM to be a top contender for the EPL’s best.

And even at that KDB stands heads and shoulders above Henderson. You shouldn’t even mention Henderson at all when it comes to player of the season. Mané, Vardy, Arnold are even ahead of him in the pecking order.

I don’t know where the Henderson talk comes from. If it’s by appearances, Tom Cleverly should’ve won POTY when he was at Man U.


If you think KDB or Vardy will win EPL best player ahead of liverpool players (Mane or Henderson), you are in for a long thing,.....after all the records, domination, embarrassment given to all the clubs, 25 point gap between 1st and 2nd...............

You guys are saying he didnt play well this season,....but nobody can mention 3 CM that performed better than Hendo this season.....
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 9:05pm On May 08, 2020
eph12:

I said midfield

Not everything is goals and assists.

VVD doesn’t have as much goals and assists as Henderson.

And how can you consider a midfielder who doesn’t have much influence in his own team over other midfielders who are more influential in their own team.

It’s like picking Fernandinho over Christian Eriksen last season cos Man City won the league.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 9:37pm On May 08, 2020
Leyqute:


VVD doesn’t have as much goals and assists as Henderson.

And how can you consider a midfielder who doesn’t have much influence in his own team over other midfielders who are more influential in their own team.

It’s like picking Fernandinho over Christian Eriksen last season cos Man City won the league.
This is hilarious. Henderson is their captain ffs.

Why would you pick VVD ahead of Maguire this season? What defensive attribute or stat will make you pick VVD ahead of Maguire?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 1:14am On May 09, 2020
eph12:

This is hilarious. Henderson is their captain ffs.

Why would you pick VVD ahead of Maguire this season? What defensive attribute or stat will make you pick VVD ahead of Maguire?

You know what I mean. I’m talking about influencing game outcomes. Not influence over other players.

There isn’t a huge difference between VVD and Maguire this season but VVD has had more success on the pitch than him.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:55am On May 09, 2020
eph12:

This is hilarious. Henderson is their captain ffs.

Why would you pick VVD ahead of Maguire this season? What defensive attribute or stat will make you pick VVD ahead of Maguire?

Henderson has always been their captain.

Be honest, before the media campaign for Henderson, when you rate Liverpool players by their contribution to the team success over the past 3 seasons and this season did you rate him in Liverpool top 5?

I am not even certain he is the best midfielder in Liverpool and surely he is not the best player in Liverpool

Beside the narrative that Liverpool finally won the league and their captain was the best player in the league that season I can't see why Henderson should be top 11 in the league
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 4:37am On May 09, 2020
Leyqute:


You know what I mean. I’m talking about influencing game outcomes. Not influence over other players.

There isn’t a huge difference between VVD and Maguire this season but VVD has had more success on the pitch than him.
VVD has had more success because of the team he's in, no?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 4:45am On May 09, 2020
raumdeuter:


Henderson has always been their captain.

Be honest, before the media campaign for Henderson, when you rate Liverpool players by their contribution to the team success over the past 3 seasons and this season did you rate him in Liverpool top 5?

I am not even certain he is the best midfielder in Liverpool and surely he is not the best player in Liverpool

Beside the narrative that Liverpool finally won the league and their captain was the best player in the league that season I can't see why Henderson should be top 11 in the league
I never ever considered Henderson as the best player in any sort, I just don't think he's appreciated enough. Which lfc midfielder has been better than him this season? How do you explain a midfield that almost never gets dominated?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 9:21am On May 09, 2020
eph12:

VVD has had more success because of the team he's in, no?

What does that have to do with the discussion?

Liverpool’s attack and defense have had a greater contribution to team success than their midfield this season.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Godx: 9:29am On May 09, 2020
Leyqute:


What does that have to do with the discussion?

Liverpool’s attack and defense have had a greater contribution to team success than their midfield this season.
And you came to that conclusion how?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 9:35am On May 09, 2020
Godx:

And you came to that conclusion how?

Do you disagree?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 9:37am On May 09, 2020
Leyqute:


What does that have to do with the discussion?

Liverpool’s attack and defense have had a greater contribution to team success than their midfield this season.
A midfield that doesn't get dominated creates a very excellent platform for the attackers to operate. The full backs can even afford to join in the attack. Anyways you've avoided talking about how lfc midfield is hardly ever dominated because it doesn't suit your agenda. Make we die the topic then
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 9:41am On May 09, 2020
Liverpool

Touches= 2nd in EPL

Passes = 2nd in EPL

Through-balls= 5th

Clean sheet= 1st

Possession = 2nd

21 goals conceded so far

And the midfielders (Henderson and co ) are not good.... Analyst full nairaland grin grin grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 9:50am On May 09, 2020
Expert17:
Liverpool

Touches= 2nd in EPL

Passes = 2nd in EPL

Through-balls= 5th

Clean sheet= 1st

Possession = 2nd

21 goals conceded so far

And the midfielders (Henderson and co ) are not good.... Analyst full nairaland grin grin grin
Apparently they're not contributing enough to lfc success.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:04am On May 09, 2020
eph12:

Apparently they're not contributing enough to lfc success.

He is not good, he is not good....

--Henderson is the no one name in England and Liverpool midfield, Southgate and Klopp dnt have sense.
---Emre Can had to leave, after serious benching
-- Milner and Keita cant bench him.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 1:59pm On May 09, 2020
eph12:

I never ever considered Henderson as the best player in any sort, I just don't think he's appreciated enough. Which lfc midfielder has been better than him this season? How do you explain a midfield that almost never gets dominated?


How else should he be appreciated? Do you think Wijnaldum is appreciated enough

Rank the Liverpol players by their importance to the team

For me I will rank , Mane Salah Trent Robertson, VVD, Alisson, Fabinho Wijnaldum Henderson in that order. This season I can relegate Alisson and Fabinho because of their injuries but there is no way Henderson has done more than all those.

If you dont rate Henderson as the best in Liverpool, how come he is "voted" the best in the league and that makes any sense

I will pick Wijnaldum over him
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 2:00pm On May 09, 2020
Expert17:
Liverpool

Touches= 2nd in EPL

Passes = 2nd in EPL

Through-balls= 5th

Clean sheet= 1st

Possession = 2nd

21 goals conceded so far

And the midfielders (Henderson and co ) are not good.... Analyst full nairaland grin grin grin

Rank liverpool players by their importance to the team
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 2:22pm On May 09, 2020
raumdeuter:


Rank liverpool players by their importance to the team

All of them are important in their positions....

Liverpool dominated 98% of teams they played btw last season and this season.... You can't dominate teams with bad midfielders.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by pkasso(m): 2:55pm On May 09, 2020
While i agree Henderson didn't deserve to win the BBC player of the year award, it's surprising to see how people underrate or question his performances this season.

I think most people are just so stubborn to admit that a player like Henderson could actually get better. A few years ago, he was the butt of jokes alongside other players like Cleverley, Stones and Phil Jones. Bunch of overpaid, talentless English lads, they called them.

But Henderson upped his game and became a better player. He evolved into a deeper role and added other aspects to his game. He's the heartbeat of that Liverpool side. Nobody in that team embodies Liverpool as much he does. The English media may be overzealous in crowning him as the best in the land but surely the man deserves every ounce of praise he gets.

Give Jordan Henderson some respect!

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 3:37pm On May 09, 2020
raumdeuter:


How else should he be appreciated? Do you think Wijnaldum is appreciated enough

Rank the Liverpol players by their importance to the team

For me I will rank , Mane Salah Trent Robertson, VVD, Alisson, Fabinho Wijnaldum Henderson in that order. This season I can relegate Alisson and Fabinho because of their injuries but there is no way Henderson has done more than all those.

If you dont rate Henderson as the best in Liverpool, how come he is "voted" the best in the league and that makes any sense

I will pick Wijnaldum over him
I have no business with him being voted as the best in the league. I am not trying to defend that. He wouldn't even be in my top 5.

I am looking at their stats and I don't see how Wijnaldum has contributed more to LFC even though he is allowed to roam more than Henderson. Henderson has better defensive and attacking stats, probably passing stats too. Remember we are talking about this season, not the last decade.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:39pm On May 09, 2020
Expert17:
All of them are important in their positions....
Liverpool dominated 98% of teams they played btw last season and this season.... You can't dominate teams with bad midfielders.

Every player on the field is important but some are more important than others
No one said Liverpool has bad midfielders Fabinho and Wijnaldum are great. even in the Liverpool 3 midfielders I will think Henderson is the least
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 3:41pm On May 09, 2020
eph12:

I have no business with him being voted as the best in the league. I am not trying to defend that. He wouldn't even be in my top 5.

I am looking at their stats and I don't see how Wijnaldum has contributed more to LFC even though he is allowed to roam more than Henderson. Henderson has better defensive and attacking stats, probably passing stats too. Remember we are talking about this season, not the last decade.

How will you rate the Liverpool first 11 in their importance to the team this season. I am trying to see where Henderson will rank

My point is all these Henderson hype is media work not based on what he does on the field for Liverpool

Can anyone here who has watched Liverpool this season before the media hype say that Henderson was their best player when he watched those games
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 4:11pm On May 09, 2020
raumdeuter:


Every player on the field is important but some are more important than others
No one said Liverpool has bad midfielders Fabinho and Wijnaldum are great. even in the Liverpool 3 midfielders, i think Henderson is the least

Henderson got better statistics than Fabinho and Wijnadum this season.

He is the first name on Liverpool and England midfield...this is not the same Henderson you know.

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