Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,204,985 members, 7,990,672 topics. Date: Thursday, 31 October 2024 at 08:50 PM |
Nairaland Forum / Entertainment / Sports / European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion (9284832 Views)
Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 / Manchester United Fan Thread: Premier League Champions 2010/11 / Manchester United Fan thread: Forever Reds (2) (3) (4)
(1) (2) (3) ... (7780) (7781) (7782) (7783) (7784) (7785) (7786) ... (14451) (Reply) (Go Down)
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 4:23pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17: Rank Liverpool players by their importance to the team this season |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Herbiedeen(m): 4:24pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17:Awon Booker Pundit/Analyst Expert17:Awon Booker Pundit/Analyst |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Herbiedeen(m): 4:28pm On May 09, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Just the same way Courtois won THE BEST GK at FIFA AWARDS in 2018 but De Gea was chosen ahead of him for the TOTY. That's it...... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Herbiedeen(m): 4:35pm On May 09, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Mane was their best player, but Hendo was just as important as he is Hendo dictates the tempo of the game for them, he offers more to both their attacks and defence, he was the pivot that team check the games he didn't play and see how lfc were playing like Norwich |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 4:39pm On May 09, 2020 |
raumdeuter: Alisson. 7/10 Trent 8/10 VVD 8/10 Robertson 8/10 Mane 8/10 Salah 8/10 Henderson 8/10 Henderson is the most improved player among them, ..and also had major impact both in Defence, Midfield and Attack.....no other player had same impact, on all areas on the field.... Without him, they struggle. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 4:58pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17: Wait, dont you know that you can easily have lots of possession in games with less involvement of the midfield? Your defenders can always pass the ball around for several minutes before releasing it to the midfield or even the attackers. See the picture below for Liverpool players with their number of passes this season. Meanwhile, can you show us 19/20 statistics for each midfielder at Liverpool (Wijnaldum vs Henderson vs Fabinho)?
|
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 5:17pm On May 09, 2020 |
raumdeuter:Henderson has done better than other midfielders in lfc this season, no? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 5:22pm On May 09, 2020 |
nitrogen: You cant have a possession based team without good midfielders,.... go check out the midfield of Arsenal then, Barcelona and Man city.... If not for the midfielders, you would have notice how liverpool backline is not that strong like you think ( Arnold especially) Check the statistics attached.....Henderson played less than Wilnadum, but still manage to hv better records 1 Like
|
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 5:40pm On May 09, 2020 |
He even had more Tackles, Interception, Blocks and Clearance than the so called Defensive midfielder...Fabinho Fabinho no even follow,....Henderson beat him hands down in every single department 1 Like
|
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 5:42pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17:Maybe you still dont get my point. See City's stats below. The midfielders lead in terms of number of passes, how come it's not the same for Liverpool? When Wenger was still managing Arsenal, the midfielders led in terms of number of passes. I believe that most possession-based teams have good midfielders that makes a lot of passes in games. Liverpool's is different. One might be tempted to say that number games played matters, but I would say that you should consider total number of passes by each department (defence vs midfield) Essentially, depending on the style, you can have high possession by having your defenders hold the ball and pass around for a long time. 4 Likes
|
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 5:50pm On May 09, 2020 |
nitrogen: Maybe you will understand with a full complete season, when Man city are playing at the top of their game. Defenders had the highest pass for them in 2017/18 and 2018/19 seasons
|
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 6:13pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17: Do you want to start turning Amala like Dayo niii? Why did you post top 5 for a year and top 6 for another? Also, 2017/2018 season says something different. Otamendi was number one, the next three were midfielders. Anyway, my point is, you can still have high possession with shitty midfielders, just get your defenders to do most of the passing, crossing, and providing assists to attackers. That is exactly what Liverpool has been doing in the last 2 years. Check their 2018-2019 stats. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 6:24pm On May 09, 2020 |
nitrogen: 1. Liverpool play is different from Barcelona, Arsenal and Man city possession game,.......Theirs is coupled with intense HIGH - PRESSING 2. Defenders can have the highest pass in the team in a Possession team,.... because opponent sit deeper, giving defenders chance to pass the ball around, without any real pressure from opponent....... there are some games, Ederson (Man city goalkeeper) do have more touches than opponent players. 3. Maybe you should mention a team that played possession game, with shitty midfielders....... This same season,... 5 defenders are in top 6 highest passers in EPL
|
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 6:34pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17: You are confusing yourself, the thing is this, if an opponent sits deep, then it gives your midfielders the chance to be more involved. Reason Barca and City midfielders pass the ball around a lot (and not just the defenders). Klopp has always tried to bypass the midfield. What happens most times is that the defenders have more touches than midfielders because he thinks they are just there to help with ball recovery, they are not technical enough for the type of possession football that Barca and City plays. Anyway, you are back to my point that you can have high possession by having your defenders do a lot on the ball. And to your last point, there are few technical midfielders in the EPL, also, the style is quite different, dont be suprised if you see midfielders dominate the list of passes in other leagues. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Herbiedeen(m): 6:38pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17:A certain Arsenal with Santos, Mertesacker, Jekinson, Djourou |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 6:46pm On May 09, 2020 |
nitrogen: |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 6:49pm On May 09, 2020 |
Herbiedeen: Your defenders dnt need to be top class..... Arsenal defence then wasnt top class Barcelona defence wasnt top class, even till now Man city defence is rubbish,,,, I told him ooo, you just need good midfielders, |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 6:50pm On May 09, 2020 |
Herbiedeen: Lol. Thanks for this. Quite helpful, even though Arsenal never won trophies with those guys. But then, Wenger was able to dominate games with them, na low conversion rate kill Arsenal. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 6:55pm On May 09, 2020 |
nitrogen: You have changed the topic so many times 1. From comparing Henderson to Fabinho and Wilnajdum................... I did, you moved to 2. Midfielders shud have the highest passes in a team like Man city ( just this season, that is still yet to end)............. i prove you wrong with Man city best passers from the past 2 seasons and current best passers in EPL...................... you jump to 3. You dnt need top midfielders to be a possesion team,... Mention just 1 possesion based team with shitty midfielders and i will mention 5 different possesion teams with shitty defenders 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 6:59pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17: Hehe, I am not a bush god, you already told me what I need to hear. See my initial post below: nitrogen: See what your response was: Expert17: I just proved to you that Liverpool's midfield is the weakest of the three departments. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by spillo1: 7:04pm On May 09, 2020 |
nitrogen:All the departments compliment each other perfectly. Liverpool midfield do their job perfectly which set the tune for both the attackers and defenders to operate perfectly. Why do you think Trent and Robertson bomb forward all the time. We have already discussed this here before. spillo1: 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by pkasso(m): 7:10pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17 is right here. You can't play possession football without having technically-gifted midfielders who can hold on to the ball and pick a pass. Liverpool don't play possession football in the truest sense of the term. Yes, they might have the majority of possession in most of their games but that is down to their quality as a team rather than any system or deliberate tactics. The best teams know how to keep the ball, pass it and control the game. The degree or the level at which they do it is what separates the ones that play actual possession football e.g Barca and City from the others. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by raumdeuter: 7:26pm On May 09, 2020 |
eph12: Is doing better than any LFC midfielder = Doing better than everyone in Liverpool? Especially when midfield isnt the best department in Liverpool FC If you say Walker has done better than Any City defender does that mean he is the best player in City? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 7:32pm On May 09, 2020 |
nitrogen: Liverpool midfield that outplay/dominate/outrun all midfield in EPL Liverpool midfield that support Arnold and Robertson defensively ( they are both average defensively) This same Henderson have more tackles than Van dijk, Arnold, Robertson and the rest defenders. If you dnt know, Liverpool midifeld is their engine room...... They can still win games without Salah or Mane by using Shaqiri and Origi,.... Let them bench those first choice midfielders and play |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 7:40pm On May 09, 2020 |
Henderson is barely in Fellaini's class. players like that, especially of English roots, will have an average season especially in a press-propped darling like Liverpool, and propaganda will cheer so loudly because they are actually surprised such player could play out of their skins to get to that semi good level. all these accolades and pressure is for people to recognize they've actually put in hard work. we know the mo, but the shameful part is that it's simply not good enough. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 7:47pm On May 09, 2020 |
this is Darren Fletcher vs Jordan Henderson. the season in play, Fletcher actually played out his skin to get to that level. we all know that was not a norm. he put his heart and body on the line and was very inspirational yet no media cheered for him as player of the year. i'm not even sure he won player of the season for Man United.
|
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 7:51pm On May 09, 2020 |
for emphasis, this is his passing comparison with other players who had high output in passing stats for that season. no propaganda machinery was rolled out behind him.
|
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by wman(m): 7:54pm On May 09, 2020 |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 7:55pm On May 09, 2020 |
ChristineC: I can bring out 3 midfielders who had better statistics than Fletcher in 2009/2010....... Bring out 3 midfielders who have better statistics than Henderson this season. We are not comparing Henderson and Fletcher, but Henderson and other midfielders this season.....difference is clear |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by pkasso(m): 8:06pm On May 09, 2020 |
There are similarities and differences in the systems employed by Liverpool and City. Liverpool are a more direct side than City who would hold on to the ball for longer spells. They both play out from the back but in different ways. Liverpool fullbacks are actually wingers in reality while Man City full backs like to play on the inside. The Liverpool's midfield trio's job is simpleļ¼ Recover and Recycle. No frills. They are to maintain balance and keep the structure. The fullbacks and to a lesser intent the front 3 provide the creativity. Vvd and some times Matip can bring the ball out from the back so there is lesser need for Henderson and co to drop deep. The fullbacks are also comfortable tucking in in halfspaces and central areas. Trent had his football education as a 6 so that helps in this regard. All in all, it is unfair to say Liverpool midfielders are not good enough technically because they are not as prominently involved in their team's possession game. The system they play does not encourage this. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 8:15pm On May 09, 2020 |
raumdeuter:I never said Henderson is the best player in LFC. I dey craze? I only said for LFC to be dominating other teams, the midfield is certainly doing something right and Henderson is a huge part of that midfield. Then you guys say he's not the best midfielder in LFC this season. OK who is the best midfielder in LFC this season and why? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 8:17pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17:don't be too sure you'll find 3 midfielders clearly better than Fletcher that year without checking. i can put it to the test now and you'll fail flat. next i'll hear is some of these guys below are strikers 1 Like
|
(1) (2) (3) ... (7780) (7781) (7782) (7783) (7784) (7785) (7786) ... (14451) (Reply)
Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021
Viewing this topic: 11 guest(s)
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 77 |