Curtisaxel7:


I find it rather strange the large number of mixed race babies our Nigerian men were able to produce in Europe and America in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

How were they finding it so easy to get white women to date despite the heavily racist nature of Oyibo land in those days?. And most of those men were students, and struggling young men. So, we can't say the white women loved them for their money. What exactly made them attractive to white women?. Could it be that the women just wanted to taste something different (as black men were rather rare in Europe back then and were considered to be strange objects of curiosity)?.....or are the rumors about white women's love for black men's di.cks true?. .

Komekn, Tbaba1234, Mujtahida, and all abroadians in the house I would especially love to hear your opinions on this please.

There are two approaches to this phenomenon if you like, one is a very light hearted one that emanates from the social dynamics and in a sense reverse racism as is exemplified by CurtisAxel7 questions. I will write two different posts and this is just to give it a bit of context.

Then you get into the historical as well as contemporary socio -cultural dynamics of counter establishment movements that some call revolutionary and other the perversion and immoral break down of societal norms and values. That’s very academic and can result in multiple academic based research papers and intellectual dispositions. But without any consensus agreement and or conclusions. Essentially the more you look, the more you see and the less you understand. That’s the kind of dialogue that Rabzy opens with his question.

I will really approach it from a perspective of personal experience and my Afrocentric heritage as well as my Eurocentric appreciation by birth and interaction professional and social.

When I was in Nigeria, I had my cousins who were mixed race who we had lived in close proximity when we were in the UK. As a consequence, on return to Nigeria we were very close, we were always hanging out.

At age 14 we were all driving our parent’s cars and going to places we really had no business going to at that age. Which brought us into contact with lots of females. Uniben was one of our places of interest.

There was then an obsessive, incomprehensible, mind boggling and shameless fixation sexual and otherwise with mixed race kids (SafariGirl) may be able to explain because I cannot. I remember when we would get to if I’m right Hall 1, I immediately became a GHOST, none of the females could see me. But were falling over themselves like dogs on heat to get closer to my cousins. Meanwhile I was an invisible spectator. That was then;

As we reach England, matter change THE HUNTED became the discarded and the invisible became the much more desirable visible.

Before we proceed there are some very distinct differences between the dynamics of relationships in the Nigerian context between men and women and in general European women and men.

First thing most European women are not hungry and are seeking personal fulfillment by way of companionship and in addition blow my mind and my head off and scatter my brain bedroom athletics. And as such an illiterate brick layer with muscles in his head and an 8 pack alludes to that promise add to the fact that he is black and its bingo. So having a PHd, X6 and triplet sized pregnancy beer belle will give you no Kudos.

On the other hand i find the vast majority probably 75% of women in the Nigerian context are looking for £££$$$ and that always remains a central theme in my experience all the time, even unto marriage.

Do you mean what Ndidi is to Leicester...?
We need to separate club football from national team football sometimes. When Ndidi misses out playing for us in some matches, do we feel his absence?

andrewbaba44:


Ndidi is untouchable

Billing playing for eagles wont scare ndidi abeg

What ndidi is to nigeria is what ramos/busquets is to the spanish national team, busquets is no longer the busquets we used to know but his place in the spanish team is still untouchable

Super Eagles manager
by Gabriel Ogunjobi — 16 hours ago
Ade Ojeikere
I pity coaches of the country’s senior soccer side, Super Eagles, especially during competitions. I often stayed back at training pitches in Europe or Asia watching the managers relate with their assistants as the team works out for the next game. They are always a pitiable sight to behold, more so if the country lost the first game. The sessions are predictably. Filled with experts who didn’t know how the team qualified, but are at the competition as part of several delegations from Nigeria. Part of the jamboree? You have started again.
Qualification games for competitions are handled by the coaches, players, backroom staff supervised by NFF chieftains, irrespective of how well or badly the team plays. When the ticket is secured and plans are afoot for the competition, all manner of permutations rear their not too beautiful heads, with Nigerians fragmented into those groupings, depending on those leading them. Sad, ex-internationals, who should stem the disturbing drifts join the fray by living in the past, as if it was worth the struggle, given the country’s records in such tournaments. Put simply, ex-internationals are part of the problems of Nigeria football. A topic for another day.
Rather than bring their experiences in Europe playing the beautiful game in top soccer teams and under good coaches to bear on the team, they constitute themselves into groups clamouring to take over the federation, as if FIFA and CAF are run by ex-internationals. Mention must be of Kanu Nwankwo and Austin Okocha, who have chosen to relate with the squad players than become fifth columnists to destroy a sport which brought them opulence and fame.
Okocha’s and Kanu’s ambassadorial roles have lifted the spirit of the boys beginning with the qualifiers unlike some others who sit aloof, swimming with the tide, only to peddle influence to get on government delegations to competitions they didn’t have faith in.
Winning continental titles and the World Cup, for crying out loud, is a project that requires routine changes occasioned by the results of games played until the final product is ready. The closest Nigeria got to assembling a winning squad was with Clemens Westerhof. Sadly, we blew the chance when we refused to implement Westerhof’s advice that we relocate our camp to a more serene place, shortly before the game against Italy, which we lost. Many have forgotten that Bulgaria which we beat resoundingly 3-0 in the group stage of the USA’94 World Cup clinched the bronze medal by placing third. Had we listened to Westerhof, Nigeria could have won a bronze or silver. Who says we couldn’t have won the World Cup in 1994, given what we did at the Olympics in Georgia Atlanta in 1996, with almost the same crop of players?
Westerhof’s revolution resulted in the Atlanta’96 Olympic Games, even though he had left the country. The Dutchman’s players would have won the 1996 Africa Cup of Nations held in South Africa but the draconian decision by the late Sani Abacha to stop the team from participating in the tournament. Westerhof’s men exited the Eagles after the 2002 Japan/Korea World Cup, with Nigeria’s unprecedented turnover of coaches. We reduced the Eagles to a rebuilding tool.
Westerhof’s five-year stay ensured that we had depth in talents for most of our national teams. Credit to Westerhof for watching our domestic games to fish out Amokachi, Friday Elaho, Benedict Iroha, Uche Okechukwu, Finidi George et al. He took these rookies then to Europe to polish their skills and it rubbed off on our national team(s) performances during competitions. The star-trek overseas which Westerhof introduced removed the inferiority mask we had on four faces to the Europeans in tournaments. Training with these big stars in Europe, emboldened our players when the chips were down in competitions.
Prior to the Nigeria job, Westerhof was a coaching upstart but he had a plan and recognised good players, which is what Gernot Rohr possesses, except that he doesn’t like to watch our domestic league. Will you blame him? What are the captivating things in the league? The few good players are taken away by shylock agents. The boys change their names, casting doubts on who they are when they start doing well. Let me name players with this dubious acclaim.
“We cannot find all the time players in the local league who are better than the other ones,” Rohr told
ESPN .
“The criterion for us, the first criteria is the quality of the players. Everybody knows, not only in Nigeria, that the best players are in Europe or somewhere else in professional leagues. That is the fact.
“I invited already more than 23 or 24 local players since I have been in charge of the Super Eagles but we invite them and then immediately they are going to Europe. It is wonderful for them but maybe not for us.”
Westerhof used to be an unheralded coach but understood the politics of the game. He struck a chord with the authorities, when he had unchallenged access to the seat of government in Abuja. He became the boss of his employers, but never rubbed it when the need arose. Rather, he cemented his relationship with top government officials by getting the right results after his requests were given to him.
It was easy for Westerhof to navigate his way. Westerhof had presence. He couldn’t be pushed away. He knew when to make the noise in his smattering English and found extreme favour with the fans, who could die for him. Rohr may have an edge because he had managed other African sides before coming to Nigeria. Rohr had worked for countries with the unholy penchant of owing coaches. He had developed thick skin for such misnomer, which made him a proper fit for the NFF, an hitherto notorious body for owing coaches, Nigerians inclusive.
Besides, Rohr inherited an Eagles side which couldn’t win as those who claimed to have assisted the former coach abandoned him to prove the point, leaving a former African champion open to be beaten by every country, even in Nigeria. Needless ego among those who produce a good Eagles squad thrust Rohr, from Niger Republic as the messiah. Rohr did well to sustain what he met on ground. What he did was to introduce some of our former Golden Eaglets stars into the squad.
Not many coaches would have handed Kelechi Iheanacho and Alex Iwobi as starting line-up strikers in a tough away game as that against Zambia. Both players proved Rohr right to trust them and scored the goals as Super Eagles won 2-1 to begin the 2018 World Cup qualifying series on a confident note.
Super Eagles’ resurgence wasn’t magic. It was born out of Rohr’s willingness to give youths the opportunity to shine and they showed their new found confidence when they hammered Africa’s best team at the time, Algeria 3-1 in Uyo. The fans went bonkers that day and every other time the Eagles played. It was no surprise that they qualified for the World Cup in Russia, with a game to spare.
Rohr took the youngest team in the world to the 2018 World Cup but they fell short because even the coach lacked the required experience to guide them beyond the group stage. But should they be allowed to continue their growth together? Or is Rohr just a Moses for our football?
One thing Westerhof and Rohr brought to the national teams was their refusal to be led by the cabal in the place, in terms of players’ selections and how they ran the business of the team. Foreign scouts and shylock agents didn’t have field days like they did when Nigerian coaches took charge. I wonder why those who championed the removal of Nigerian coaches for foreigners think the time is ripe for our locals to handle the Super Eagles? Even those who partook in the process of recruiting foreign coaches through an interview in England are disturbing us with jaded analysis, as if they were not part of those who we sent to visit our players in Europe, yet they stay in one hotel and started making calls.
Rohr isn’t the perfect choice but his reign has been successful. We have seen teams recruit the ‘best’ coaches and coaches, yet they falter because the chemistry of the squad wasn’t good. No Nigerian coach would have taken the risk to field Iheanacho and Iwobi as strikers in the Battle of Ndola against Zambia. No Nigerian coach would have dropped a fumbling Iheanacho with Leicester City from the Eagles squad to the last Africa Cup of Nations for rookie Victor Osimhen. See what that gambles have turned to be for younger lad since his excellent performance with the Golden Eaglets.
None of the Nigeria-born lads would have listened to our local coaches in the campaign to get them to change their nationality. These lads have strengthened the Eagles, with many doing well in their debut appearances for the country. If the Nigerian coaches are so good, what have they achieved with our other national teams, even when we draft some of these young lads in the Eagles on rescue mission? Look, I’m a patriot, Nigerian coaches don’t have what it takes like we had in the days of yore with Alabi Aissien, Adegboye Onigbinde, Monday Sinclair, Joseph Erico, Lawrence Akpokona, Charles Bassey, Bitrus Bewarang, Ben Dualong, the late Willy Bazuaye, the late Shuiabu Amodu, the late Abdullahi Bebe, the late Joseph Ladipo et al. Did I hear you ask about the late Stephen Keshi? May Keshi’s soul rest in perfect peace. The coaches I mentioned coached local clubs to glory while others provided quality challenges which helped the winners to triumph.
A hard NO to local coaches for the Super Eagles. They have not grown in the tactics of the game. They haven’t transformed from being players to coaches. They are burdened by their egos. The few times we had local coaches handle the Eagles, it was always a running battle between them and the new stars. Wasn’t it a local coach who said two brothers cannot play for the Eagles? Pity. Do we still remember what Laudrup brothers did us in at the 1998 World Cup in France when Denmark whacked Nigeria 4-1? Atuegbu brothers played for Nigeria. Let’s not waste space to list brothers who have played for their countries.

Truth is bitter ...bitter gidi Gan pass bitter leave oh (in demmie Vee's voice )

Joebie:
Do you mean what Ndidi is to Leicester...?
We need to separate club football from national team football sometimes. When Ndidi misses out playing for us in some matches, do we feel his absence?

I get your point he won’t be benched

Billing is no threat to ndidi

Only a player playing for top club can be a threat to ndidi bro ,billing is playing for Bournemouth for crying out loud

Subzero047:


And he would be without pressure and be given room to develop

Its only on dis thread I c fans saying a certain player who hasn't won a "spoon" is bigger Dan a club...I knew some will.say chukwueze is bigger Dan Nice..awever,its a fallacy..I would support him to any club where he would enuf chance to play and grow rada Dan sit on d bench all in d name of playing in a big club

Subzero047:


You don't believe?? Why would he be lying?

I believe him 100% and he will have other stories but doesn't want to open the big rotten can of worms.

I could give many stories and i mean many that i have witnessed and some that a number of Nigerian internationals have told me past and present then i could add the experiences of European agents have told me about.

andrewbaba44:


I get your point he won’t be benched

Billing is no threat to ndidi

Only a player playing for top club can be a threat to ndidi bro ,billing is playing for Bournemouth for crying out loud

And so what ...its Bournemouth a championship club... Is it not d same premiership ?

Abi na by position in league ,players dey get spot for national team line up

Arabiandude:

I totally support this from you. Imagine Chukwueze joining Nice as their star player and because of that he gets a starting shirt, he plays their penalties and at the end of maybe his first or second season he registers 12-15 goals and maybe 7-10 assist. He will be more valued in football with such stats than staying on the bench for Villarreal, not because he isn't good enough to start but because Villarreal coach is a racist who prefers only Spanish players

How do you conclude Villarreal coach is a racist because he didn’t start chuks recently ?

But when Chuks was getting all the minutes balling well against Barcelona and Madrid the coach was not a racist ?

You see the reason why I say Chuks is overrated by most of you guys here ?

Hope you know Chuks have played 52 laliga games in just 2 season and that’s the stats of a regular player as far as I am concerned ,now our guy no Dey 2 start as before then suddenly the coach is a racist ?

Make una Dey cool down at times

Agreed

elyte89:



I can only say EKONG belong to dt class @ d moment and to some extent osimehn ,dt is if IGHALO doesn't come back,cos rohr is still eyeing him

Subzero047:


And he would be without pressure and be given room to develop

But Chuks is 2 big to play for nice nah according to some of my brothers here

Na here we go Dey Moses Simon fit go join bigger French team

elyte89:



And so what ...its Bournemouth a championship club... Is it not d same premiership ?

Abi na by position in league ,players dey get spot for national team line up

I don talk my own ooo

Billing will never be a threat to ndidi

Take it or leave it

andrewbaba44:


I don talk my own ooo

Billing will never be a threat to ndidi

Take it or leave it

Well..left for rohr to decide

andrewbaba44:


I get your point he won’t be benched

Billing is no threat to ndidi

Only a player playing for top club can be a threat to ndidi bro ,billing is playing for Bournemouth for crying out loud

That is a very weak way too look at it, club performance Aribo did not have any real top class club experience to underpin his call up, but he immediately seized and claimed jersey.

Once you get into the SE forget club he who performs takes the position particularly when there is no underhanded politics going on.

Look at one my more favoured players in the SE Etebo, Warri gra gra boy, gbeghe wager, I actually 100% expected him to become the next Ngole Kante after a small time playing for Stoke in the Championship, such were my hopes for him. He has been arguably our best midfielder in quite a few games.

But he struggled to gain a footing in the Championship and make any mark in that league, i have often said the Championship is a very physically taxing league that requires special ability to play technical football. Particularly when you are surrounded by carpenters. Meanwhile Ovie, Eze are way ahead of him in all aspects by club performance. I Cant even say conclusively that he was much better than struggling Tega Onomah.

Yet he remains undoubtedly a very good player for the SE put Ovie and Eze in that team and that assumption could be seriously tested.

Subzero047:


It could be a great move, Chukwueze needs a team built around him due to his maverick nature of play and he doesn't have that luxury at Villarreal

A youth-centric team built around Chukwueze could unleash the beast in him

From la liga to ligue1 isn't a good move abeg..

tbaba1234:


Emma Sarki came out with a similar accusation without mentioning names.

Sometimes, the players themselves are not completely clean. They have also paid money to someone early in their careers.

For all we know,the Sarki guy could have paid a bride to play for Haiti..
I can't imagine what kind of passion will make somebody play for a country like Haiti..

Humility017:

C mon take it easy bro

Dude like everyone else is managing to stay alive
Dude like most Britons still fusing on parting ways with some pounds sterling

LOL like dat actually i don send d money within the hour he dropped his account details.

So na the pizza i deh wait too see

Danielnino00:


From la liga to ligue1 isn't a good move abeg..

He's actually regressing in LA liga and not getting gametime, Chukwueze needs 2-3 seasons without pressure to develop

elyte89:



I can only say EKONG belong to dt class @ d moment and to some extent osimehn ,dt is if IGHALO doesn't come back, cos rohr is still eyeing him

Why do you say so?
From where?
Proof sir

komekn:


There are two approaches to this phenomenon if you like, one is a very light hearted one that emanates from the social dynamics and in a sense reverse racism as is exemplified by CurtisAxel7 questions. I will write two different posts and this is just to give it a bit of context.

Then you get into the historical as well as contemporary socio -cultural dynamics of counter establishment movements that some call revolutionary and other the perversion and immoral break down of societal norms and values. That’s very academic and can result in multiple academic based research papers and intellectual dispositions. But without any consensus agreement and or conclusions. Essentially the more you look, the more you see and the less you understand. That’s the kind of dialogue that Rabzy opens with his question.

I will really approach it from a perspective of personal experience and my Afrocentric heritage as well as my Eurocentric appreciation by birth and interaction professional and social.

When I was in Nigeria, I had my cousins who were mixed race who we had lived in close proximity when we were in the UK. As a consequence, on return to Nigeria we were very close, we were always hanging out.

At age 14 we were all driving our parent’s cars and going to places we really had no business going to at that age. Which brought us into contact with lots of females. Uniben was one of our places of interest.

There was then an obsessive, incomprehensible, mind boggling and shameless fixation sexual and otherwise with mixed race kids (SafariGirl) may be able to explain because I can'tt. I remember when we would get to if I’m right Hall 1, I immediately became a GHOST, none of the females could see me. But were falling over themselves like dogs on heat to get closer to my cousins. Meanwhile I was an invisible spectator. That was then;

As we reach England, matter change THE HUNTED became the discarded and the invisible became the much more desirable visible.

Before we proceed there are some very distinct differences between the dynamics of relationships in the Nigerian context between men and women and in general European women and men.

First thing most European women are not hungry and are seeking personal fulfillment by way of companionship and in addition blow my mind and my head off and scatter my brain bedroom athletics. And as such an illiterate brick layer with muscles in his head and an 8 pack alludes to that promise add to the fact that he is black and its bingo. So having a PHd, X6 and triplet sized pregnancy beer belle will give you no Kudos.

On the other hand i find the vast majority probably 75% of women in the Nigerian context are looking for £££$$$ and that always remains a central theme in my experience all the time, even unto marriage.

Based on my level of expertise, garnered for many years, in observation of the human mind, specifically, the minds of those of negroid race, in most parts of the West African region, I willll be posting my personal opinion on why this is so.

I therefore, implore, the elite members of this thread, that they indulge me, on a topic that would be regarded as a deviation on this thread.

Honestly, the black race, has always been intrigued by those who look nothing like us. The same way the white race is intrigued by those who look nothing like them.

Colonialism not only introduced caucasians to the negroid race, it also indoctrinated the negroid race, into their own beliefs....including what should be considered attractive.

Now, if you notice, lots of negorids find eurocentric features attractive; light skin, curly hair, an aquiline nose, colored eyes....you know, features found in white people. Of all these features though, the most worshipped has to be the skin and the hair texture, because these are features that are somewhat rare around these parts. So, your cousins attracted all of that attention, because, they were unique. Same way in a room filled with ladies of various complexions, the average negro male, is more likely to be attracted to the ladies of lighter complexion than those with a darker tone. You could also blame years of this indoctrination, that light is right, for such an attraction.

Now, flip it over, and a negroid finds themselves in a place filled with white people. You are now the unique person, and in much the same way, white people are intrigued by the different skin tone and hair texture. So, the darker skinned negros, are more likely to attract the attention of white people, due to their uniqueness, than the lighter ones. That is why, in the UK, your cousins grew invisible; because over there, their skin tone and hair texture is common, but yours isn't.

I have so much more to say on this topic, but for the purpose of this thread, this is where I drop my golden pen in the basket of psychology. Gracias

andrewbaba44:


But Chuks is 2 big to play for nice nah according to some of my brothers here

Na here we go Dey Moses Simon fit go join bigger French team

Nice are building a youth project with Patrick Viera, Nice would be Nice for him

Danielnino00:


From la liga to ligue1 isn't a good move abeg..

Ligue1 actually produces the best young talent in the world

Because they give their youngsters time to develop

ChrisKels:


The only reason I'm gonna let this unwarranted attack slide is Bkus u are one of the few I regard here. Why would you turn a blind eye to his own jibes?

What is this fuckery at the bolded, in quote below? Was that post from him, not uncalled for? Why the fvck did you not call him to order before my response?




Dude insulted me and u expect me to give him a warm embrace with a peck on the forehead? No bro, I am not that gentle, I give as much as I get.

I understand bro...
Those words he put up there wasn't right
You're not hungry even though I don't know you in person I believe you're doing well for yourself.

Just chill bro and let's enjoy the season

I was initially enjoying your football punditry here prior this comes in

How is enugu nah?

Good to know you guys are not in the CONVID-19 LEAGUE
It's like the champions league spot is sealed already between Lagos, Kano and FCT �

Danielnino00:


For all we know,the Sarki guy could have paid a bride to play for Haiti..
I can't imagine what kind of passion will make somebody play for a country like Haiti..

His chances of playing for Nigeria have disappeared and Haiti is an option for him.

barackodam:



Why do you say so?
From where?
Proof sir

It was everywhere immediately ighalo joined Manchester united,rohr told d media den dt he will approach ighalo to rescind his decision to play for us again

Subzero047:


It could be a great move, Chukwueze needs a team built around him due to his maverick nature of play and he doesn't have that luxury at Villarreal

A youth-centric team built around Chukwueze could unleash the beast in him

Dude wake up smell the coffee, which team is going to build its team around a youthful player who is just starting and is not by any means the most outstanding player in La Liga.

You more than most should know that, dont allow sentiment to carry you away to dreamland.

komekn:


LOL like dat actually i don send d money within the hour he dropped his account details.

So na the pizza i deh wait too see

That's good but you were not supposed to use those words on the last post sha

We all be family here....You won't believe it whenever you are off here we do miss you and sometimes we go check up on you via your moniker

Even though we argue and fight here the love is superB

Well done for the cash but next time you will send it through me I am a very good middle man, a broker and an intermediary

Lol....

komekn:


Dude wake up smell the coffee, which team is going to build its team around a youthful player who is just starting and is not by any means the most outstanding player in La Liga.

You more than most should know that, dont allow sentiment to carry you away to dreamland.

LOLLLLL

we can build enyimba or rangers round him nah

Lol.... some Nigerians like comfort zone sha

They just want everything fixed for them

If chuks can't fit in dude should go to Turkey or China

elyte89:



And so what ...its Bournemouth a championship club... Is it not d same premiership ?

Abi na by position in league ,players dey get spot for national team line up

Forget about the level of the clubs they play for first..
Ndidi is class above Billings.. their stats in the premier league proves that.

Even when Leicester were struggling under Peul,Ndidi was churning out good performances..
He is without doubt among the top 3 best defensive midfielders in the world right now.

His performance in the SE hasn't really been top notch,but saying Billing will be a threat to him is simply laughable...

komekn:


Dude wake up smell the coffee, which team is going to build its team around a youthful player who is just starting and is not by any means the most outstanding player in La Liga.

You more than most should know that, dont allow sentiment to carry you away to dreamland.

If Chukwueze goes to Nice he would be the most high profile player there, it is very easy to see the team built around him

BascoVanVeli:


I no go lie I had u in mind with my comment.

I'm doing just fine o. I hope all is well with you and yours?

LOL... please don't mind me
I am doing fine and staying safe too

Don't know again if this corona thing here in Nigeria is scam or real Any more

tbaba1234:


His chances of playing for Nigeria have disappeared and Haiti is an option for him.

If I may ask,what link does he have with Haiti ??

Subzero047:


Nice are building a youth project with Patrick Viera, Nice would be Nice for him

Agreed