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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:28pm On May 09, 2020 |
ChristineC: Son = Forward Ndidi = Defensive midfielder Madison = Attacking midfielder Try again...... but i will still compare there statistics...... wait for it |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 8:32pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17: is this my handwriting? or defensive midfielders and attacking midfielders are not allowed in the midfield of toty? Expert17: |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:38pm On May 09, 2020 |
ChristineC: Let me help you....
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 8:39pm On May 09, 2020 |
pkasso: Thanks for confirming that the midfielders are not as prominently involved in the team's possession game. These guys only recover the ball for the defenders and attackers. Nothing more. Meanwhile, if your job is to recover the ball, you will definitely have high interceptions, tackles and even pass accuracy. There is no risk, you are just passing to the guys making use of the ball. I struggle with people that just watch football without trying to understand what is going on, Na to just shout goal dem sabi. Now tell me why you think their (Liverpool's midfielders) scope of work is limited. Don't say that Klopp has always preferred that style, he tried to adapt his style, he realised it was becoming difficult for him to play creative football with his hardworking midfielders, he had to by-pass the midfield for good play. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:44pm On May 09, 2020 |
Iniesta, Xavi and Busquet were tackling,intercepting and recovering ( they are not the main part of the possession play) the ball for Pique, Puyol, Abidal, Alves and the attackers to play the possession football You will always learn tactics on nairaland |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 8:47pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17:[img]http://media1./images/6eca215ed94f6fcd665e3748060ed5b8/tenor.gif[/img] 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 8:48pm On May 09, 2020 |
I like the gif. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:51pm On May 09, 2020 |
ChristineC: You are comparing Son with Henderson,.... if i allow you to continue, you might compare him with Kane and Aguero. Lets wait for EPL verdict. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 8:53pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17:is Son a striker? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 8:59pm On May 09, 2020 |
ChristineC: He never played as 9 @ spurs when kane was injured?? Which position does he play for South-korea?? Check the image attached, so you wont compare Henderson and Son again.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 9:01pm On May 09, 2020 |
pkasso: What/which pass are the midfielders picking? Safe simple ones to defenders or what? 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 9:15pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17:check the image i attached so you wouldn't think Son is replacement for Kane again. the same BBC stashed in Henderson level with Son. so it's either you are wrong or BBC is confused. if BBC is confused, why are we debating their epl team of the year in the first place? let's wait for the official one ei. 3 Likes
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 9:27pm On May 09, 2020 |
ChristineC: You are using BBC 11 to determine a player's position Why not use what you watch on TV, spurs line up and south korea |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 9:34pm On May 09, 2020 |
eph12:this was LvG's default and it was almost never dominated. scratch that, it was never dominated and Fellaini was a huge part of it. compare Fellaini and Henderson. this is Henderson's best season, by ............. far. at least Big Fella was a consistent menace. for the British press to even push Henderson's name forward is an embarrassment to all past winners of the award.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 9:41pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17:if you discount Son what about the other three candidates? you asked for three, i posted four. why exactly are we partying on one again? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by pkasso(m): 9:49pm On May 09, 2020 |
nitrogen:I don't think you fully understand the work those guys put in. They win balls, keep possession and also cover plenty of ground, something that doesn't get mentioned often enough. In Klopp's first two seasons at Liverpool, the team was a neutral's delight. Their games were always open and chaotic. End to end stuff. You could always bet on them scoring and conceding. I still remember Liverpool winning a 9-goal thriller at Carrow Road. The team was playing good but there was no balance. Klopp then decided to tweak the system. The departure of Coutinho to Barca and constant injuries to Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain meant there were no creative influence in midfield. So he made changes. Henderson and Wijnaldum took on deeper roles and Fabinho was bought. Their style of play is simply down to tactical instructions. Fabinho used to chip in goals from midfield during his time at Monaco. Wijnaldum scores goals for fun when playing for Holland and we all know Henderson isn't afraid to shoot. Remember that stunner against Chelsea some seasons back? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:00pm On May 09, 2020 |
ChristineC: So you are saying, 2014/2015 season, Phil jones was better than Degea, Smalling and Herrera (judging by this ratings) |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 10:23pm On May 09, 2020 |
pkasso: What you’re saying here, basically, is that you don’t need a proper football brain to function in Liverpool’s midfield. Creativity, passing skills and spatial awareness are not required. You just have to be fit and be willing to run around tirelessly for the whole 90. Throw in Milner, Lingard and Perreira and Liverpool will still dominate and score goals. 1 Like |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 10:30pm On May 09, 2020 |
Leyqute: Exactly! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:34pm On May 09, 2020 |
Without Alison, ....Liverpool won all their matches... Without Mane and Salah... Origi and Shaqiri played and they won... Liverpool with Henderson =87% win rate(highest in the team) Liverpool without Henderosn = 53% win rate. Agenda must agend Keita stuggle when playing in Liverpool midfield, ....lingard and Perreira wil shine 2 Likes |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 10:44pm On May 09, 2020 |
pkasso: The truth is Man utd fans ( biased one) are the one down-playing Henderson....they are surprised that he could turn out, this good.... Henderson is not good, ... And he is the first name in England (assistant captain) and Liverpool (captain) midfield..... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 10:49pm On May 09, 2020 |
ChristineC:I do not care about BBC award |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by pkasso(m): 11:10pm On May 09, 2020 |
Leyqute:Don't misinterpret what i said. You definitely need a proper football brain to play in midfield for Liverpool. Do Lingard and Perreira possess the same level of technical ability and tactical intelligence as Henderson and Wijnaldum? Do you think they just run around like headless chickens with no attention to team shape and structure? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 11:16pm On May 09, 2020 |
pkasso: Henderson has bn dispossessed just 4 times in 25 games...... Fabinho just 5 times in 20 games. Lingard and Perrera can loose the ball 10 times in 30 minutes.... 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 11:32pm On May 09, 2020 |
Expert17: Because Henderson doesn't hold ball for long. It's the system. The midfielders are supposed to recover the ball and release it quickly to the defenders. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by nitrogen(m): 11:35pm On May 09, 2020 |
pkasso: No, Cleverley played the same role very well under Fergie. Hardwork, speed, quick ball release, no creativity. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 11:40pm On May 09, 2020 |
nitrogen:Yes. And release to the defenders ( Arnold and Robertson) playing more like a winger/wing back and also the attackers, .....this is the correct statement..... Should I tell you the amount of through balls, played by Henderson in EPL this season??. So not just close and short passes. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Leyqute(m): 11:40pm On May 09, 2020 |
pkasso: Team shape and structure can easily be learned. You just need to play with the team for a couple of months to get the hang of things. On the other hand, on-the-ball intelligence, passing range and spatial awareness no be child’s play. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Expert17: 11:43pm On May 09, 2020 |
nitrogen: The point is Henderson is kind of lucky Pogba, Kante, and so many midfielders are below average this season.... He doesnt have much competition for the best midfielder role.... |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by pkasso(m): 11:54pm On May 09, 2020 |
Leyqute:And who says Henderson and co are lacking in that regard? Fabinho can ping 30 yard passes with relative ease. Go and check out Henderson's over the top ball for Chamberlain's goal against Bournemouth earlier in the season. Wijnaldum is even the most technically-gifted of the trio. Proper Swiss knife. These guys aren't your average workhorses. They can actually ball. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 12:43am On May 10, 2020 |
eph12:exactly. the baseline being there's nothing extraordinary Henderson has done for all the press campaign. evidence proves that average joes here and there have had a season where they looked "wonderful" because of their limitations. even the Garba Lawals of this world had their moments. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 12:52am On May 10, 2020 |
Expert17:do you now agree there are at least three midfielders better than Henderson this season? so our midfield can be KdB (CMF) Ndidi (DMF) Maddison (AMF) it's like I can see another forward here.
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