ChristineC:
don't be too sure you'll find 3 midfielders clearly better than Fletcher that year without checking. i can put it to the test now and you'll fail flat.

next i'll hear is some of these guys below are strikers

Son = Forward

Ndidi = Defensive midfielder

Madison = Attacking midfielder

Try again...... but i will still compare there statistics...... wait for it

Expert17:


Son = Forward

Ndidi = Defensive midfielder

Madison = Attacking midfielder

Try again...... but i will still compare there statistics...... wait for it

is this my handwriting? or defensive midfielders and attacking midfielders are not allowed in the midfield of toty?

Expert17:
Bring out 3 midfielders who have better statistics than Henderson this season.

We are not comparing Henderson and Fletcher, but Henderson and other midfielders this season.....difference is clear

ChristineC:


is this my handwriting? or defensive midfielders and attacking midfielders are not allowed in the midfield of toty?

Let me help you....

pkasso:
There are similarities and differences in the systems employed by Liverpool and City. Liverpool are a more direct side than City who would hold on to the ball for longer spells. They both play out from the back but in different ways. Liverpool fullbacks are actually wingers in reality while Man City full backs like to play on the inside. The Liverpool's midfield trio's job is simple： Recover and Recycle. No frills. They are to maintain balance and keep the structure. The fullbacks and to a lesser intent the front 3 provide the creativity. Vvd and some times Matip can bring the ball out from the back so there is lesser need for Henderson and co to drop deep. The fullbacks are also comfortable tucking in in halfspaces and central areas. Trent had his football education as a 6 so that helps in this regard.

All in all, it is unfair to say Liverpool midfielders are not good enough technically because they are not as prominently involved in their team's possession game. The system they play does not encourage this.

Thanks for confirming that the midfielders are not as prominently involved in the team's possession game. These guys only recover the ball for the defenders and attackers. Nothing more. Meanwhile, if your job is to recover the ball, you will definitely have high interceptions, tackles and even pass accuracy. There is no risk, you are just passing to the guys making use of the ball. I struggle with people that just watch football without trying to understand what is going on, Na to just shout goal dem sabi.

Now tell me why you think their (Liverpool's midfielders) scope of work is limited. Don't say that Klopp has always preferred that style, he tried to adapt his style, he realised it was becoming difficult for him to play creative football with his hardworking midfielders, he had to by-pass the midfield for good play.

Iniesta, Xavi and Busquet were tackling,intercepting and recovering ( they are not the main part of the possession play) the ball for Pique, Puyol, Abidal, Alves and the attackers to play the possession football

You will always learn tactics on nairaland

Expert17:


Let me help you....

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I like the gif.

ChristineC:

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You are comparing Son with Henderson,.... if i allow you to continue, you might compare him with Kane and Aguero.

Lets wait for EPL verdict.

Expert17:


You are comparing Son with Henderson,.... if i allow you to continue, you might compare him with Kane and Aguero.

Lets wait for EPL verdict.

is Son a striker?

ChristineC:
is Son a striker?

He never played as 9 @ spurs when kane was injured??

Which position does he play for South-korea??

Check the image attached, so you wont compare Henderson and Son again.

pkasso:
Expert17 is right here. You can't play possession football without having technically-gifted midfielders who can hold on to the ball and pick a pass.

Liverpool don't play possession football in the truest sense of the term. Yes, they might have the majority of possession in most of their games but that is down to their quality as a team rather than any system or deliberate tactics. The best teams know how to keep the ball, pass it and control the game. The degree or the level at which they do it is what separates the ones that play actual possession football e.g Barca and City from the others.

What/which pass are the midfielders picking? Safe simple ones to defenders or what?

Expert17:




He never played as 9 @ spurs when kane was injured??

Which position does he play for South-korea??

Check the image attached, so you wont compare Henderson and Son again.

check the image i attached so you wouldn't think Son is replacement for Kane again.
the same BBC stashed in Henderson level with Son.
so it's either you are wrong or BBC is confused. if BBC is confused, why are we debating their epl team of the year in the first place? let's wait for the official one ei.

ChristineC:

check the image i attached so you wouldn't think Son is replacement for Kane again.
the same BBC stashed in Henderson level with Son.
so it's either you are wrong or BBC is confused. if BBC is confused, why are we debating their epl team of the year in the first place? let's wait for the official one ei.

You are using BBC 11 to determine a player's position

Why not use what you watch on TV, spurs line up and south korea

eph12:

Just seeing this

IMO, this is not correct. LFC midfield is almost never dominated. Aside City, I can't remember them being dominated. Henderson is a huge part of that midfield that dominates other midfield

this was LvG's default and it was almost never dominated. scratch that, it was never dominated and Fellaini was a huge part of it.

compare Fellaini and Henderson. this is Henderson's best season, by ............. far. at least Big Fella was a consistent menace. for the British press to even push Henderson's name forward is an embarrassment to all past winners of the award.

Expert17:


You are using BBC 11 to determine a player's position

Why not use what you watch on TV, spurs line up and south korea

if you discount Son what about the other three candidates? you asked for three, i posted four. why exactly are we partying on one again?

nitrogen:


Thanks for confirming that the midfielders are not as prominently involved in the team's possession game. These guys only recover the ball for the defenders and attackers. Nothing more. Meanwhile, if your job is to recover the ball, you will definitely have high interceptions, tackles and even pass accuracy. There is no risk, you are just passing to the guys making use of the ball. I struggle with people that just watch football without trying to understand what is going on, Na to just shout goal dem sabi.

Now tell me why you think their (Liverpool's midfielders) scope of work is limited. Don't say that Klopp has always preferred that style, he tried to adapt his style, he realised it was becoming difficult for him to play creative football with his hardworking midfielders, he had to by-pass the midfield for good play.

I don't think you fully understand the work those guys put in. They win balls, keep possession and also cover plenty of ground, something that doesn't get mentioned often enough.

In Klopp's first two seasons at Liverpool, the team was a neutral's delight. Their games were always open and chaotic. End to end stuff. You could always bet on them scoring and conceding. I still remember Liverpool winning a 9-goal thriller at Carrow Road. The team was playing good but there was no balance.

Klopp then decided to tweak the system. The departure of Coutinho to Barca and constant injuries to Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain meant there were no creative influence in midfield. So he made changes. Henderson and Wijnaldum took on deeper roles and Fabinho was bought.

Their style of play is simply down to tactical instructions. Fabinho used to chip in goals from midfield during his time at Monaco. Wijnaldum scores goals for fun when playing for Holland and we all know Henderson isn't afraid to shoot. Remember that stunner against Chelsea some seasons back?

ChristineC:

this was LvG's default and it was almost never dominated. scratch that, it was never dominated and Fellaini was a huge part of it.

compare Fellaini and Henderson. this is Henderson's best season, by ............. far. at least Big Fella was a consistent menace. for the British press to even push Henderson's name forward is an embarrassment to all past winners of the award.

So you are saying, 2014/2015 season, Phil jones was better than Degea, Smalling and Herrera (judging by this ratings)

pkasso:
I don't think you fully understand the work those guys put in. They win balls, keep possession and also cover plenty of ground, something that doesn't get mentioned often enough.

In Klopp's first two seasons at Liverpool, the team was a neutral's delight. Their games were always open and chaotic. End to end stuff. You could always bet on them scoring and conceding. I still remember Liverpool winning a 9-goal thriller at Carrow Road. The team was playing good but there was no balance.

Klopp then decided to tweak the system. The departure of Coutinho to Barca and constant injuries to Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain meant there were no creative influence in midfield. So he made changes. Henderson and Wijnaldum took on deeper roles and Fabinho was bought.

Their style of play is simply down to tactical instructions. Fabinho used to chip in goals from midfield during his time at Monaco. Wijnaldum scores goals for fun when playing for Holland and we all know Henderson isn't afraid to shoot. Remember that stunner against Chelsea some seasons back?

What you’re saying here, basically, is that you don’t need a proper football brain to function in Liverpool’s midfield. Creativity, passing skills and spatial awareness are not required. You just have to be fit and be willing to run around tirelessly for the whole 90.

Throw in Milner, Lingard and Perreira and Liverpool will still dominate and score goals.

Leyqute:


What you’re saying here, basically, is that you don’t need a proper football brain to function in Liverpool’s midfield. Creativity, passing skills and spatial awareness are not required. You just have to be fit and be willing to run around tirelessly for the whole 90.

Throw in Milner, Lingard and Perreira and Liverpool will still dominate and score goals.

Exactly!

Without Alison, ....Liverpool won all their matches...

Without Mane and Salah... Origi and Shaqiri played and they won...

Liverpool with Henderson =87% win rate(highest in the team)
Liverpool without Henderosn = 53% win rate.

Agenda must agend


Keita stuggle when playing in Liverpool midfield, ....lingard and Perreira wil shine

pkasso:
I don't think you fully understand the work those guys put in. They win balls, keep possession and also cover plenty of ground, something that doesn't get mentioned often enough.

In Klopp's first two seasons at Liverpool, the team was a neutral's delight. Their games were always open and chaotic. End to end stuff. You could always bet on them scoring and conceding. I still remember Liverpool winning a 9-goal thriller at Carrow Road. The team was playing good but there was no balance.

Klopp then decided to tweak the system. The departure of Coutinho to Barca and constant injuries to Lallana and Oxlade-Chamberlain meant there were no creative influence in midfield. So he made changes. Henderson and Wijnaldum took on deeper roles and Fabinho was bought.

Their style of play is simply down to tactical instructions. Fabinho used to chip in goals from midfield during his time at Monaco. Wijnaldum scores goals for fun when playing for Holland and we all know Henderson isn't afraid to shoot. Remember that stunner against Chelsea some seasons back?

The truth is Man utd fans ( biased one) are the one down-playing Henderson....they are surprised that he could turn out, this good....

Henderson is not good, ... And he is the first name in England (assistant captain) and Liverpool (captain) midfield.....

ChristineC:

this was LvG's default and it was almost never dominated. scratch that, it was never dominated and Fellaini was a huge part of it.

compare Fellaini and Henderson. this is Henderson's best season, by ............. far. at least Big Fella was a consistent menace. for the British press to even push Henderson's name forward is an embarrassment to all past winners of the award.

I do not care about BBC award

Leyqute:


What you’re saying here, basically, is that you don’t need a proper football brain to function in Liverpool’s midfield. Creativity, passing skills and spatial awareness are not required. You just have to be fit and be willing to run around tirelessly for the whole 90.

Throw in Milner, Lingard and Perreira and Liverpool will still dominate and score goals.

Don't misinterpret what i said. You definitely need a proper football brain to play in midfield for Liverpool. Do Lingard and Perreira possess the same level of technical ability and tactical intelligence as Henderson and Wijnaldum? Do you think they just run around like headless chickens with no attention to team shape and structure?

pkasso:
Don't misinterpret what i said. You definitely need a proper football brain to play in midfield for Liverpool. Do Lingard and Perreira possess the same level of technical ability and tactical intelligence as Henderson and Wijnaldum? Do you think they just run around like headless chickens with no attention to team shape and structure?

Henderson has bn dispossessed just 4 times in 25 games...... Fabinho just 5 times in 20 games.

Lingard and Perrera can loose the ball 10 times in 30 minutes....

Expert17:


Henderson has bn dispossessed just 4 times in 25 games...... Fabinho just 5 times in 20 games.

Lingard and Perrera can loose the ball 10 times in 30 minutes....

Because Henderson doesn't hold ball for long. It's the system. The midfielders are supposed to recover the ball and release it quickly to the defenders.

pkasso:
Don't misinterpret what i said. You definitely need a proper football brain to play in midfield for Liverpool. Do Lingard and Perreira possess the same level of technical ability and tactical intelligence as Henderson and Wijnaldum? Do you think they just run around like headless chickens with no attention to team shape and structure?

No, Cleverley played the same role very well under Fergie. Hardwork, speed, quick ball release, no creativity.

nitrogen:


Because Henderson doesn't hold ball for long. It's the system. The midfielders are supposed to recover the ball and release it quickly to the defenders.

Yes.
And release to the defenders ( Arnold and Robertson) playing more like a winger/wing back and also the attackers, .....this is the correct statement.....

Should I tell you the amount of through balls, played by Henderson in EPL this season??. So not just close and short passes.

pkasso:
Don't misinterpret what i said. You definitely need a proper football brain to play in midfield for Liverpool. Do Lingard and Perreira possess the same level of technical ability and tactical intelligence as Henderson and Wijnaldum? Do you think they just run around like headless chickens with no attention to team shape and structure?

Team shape and structure can easily be learned. You just need to play with the team for a couple of months to get the hang of things.

On the other hand, on-the-ball intelligence, passing range and spatial awareness no be child’s play.

nitrogen:


No, Cleverley played the same role very well under Fergie. Hardwork, speed, quick ball release, no creativity.

The point is Henderson is kind of lucky

Pogba, Kante, and so many midfielders are below average this season....
He doesnt have much competition for the best midfielder role....

Leyqute:


Team shape and structure can easily be learned. On the ball intelligence, passing range and spatial awareness no be child’s play.

And who says Henderson and co are lacking in that regard? Fabinho can ping 30 yard passes with relative ease. Go and check out Henderson's over the top ball for Chamberlain's goal against Bournemouth earlier in the season. Wijnaldum is even the most technically-gifted of the trio. Proper Swiss knife. These guys aren't your average workhorses. They can actually ball.

eph12:

I do not care about BBC award

exactly. the baseline being there's nothing extraordinary Henderson has done for all the press campaign.
evidence proves that average joes here and there have had a season where they looked "wonderful" because of their limitations.
even the Garba Lawals of this world had their moments.

Expert17:


So you are saying, 2014/2015 season, Phil jones was better than Degea, Smalling and Herrera (judging by this ratings)

do you now agree there are at least three midfielders better than Henderson this season?

so our midfield can be
KdB (CMF) Ndidi (DMF) Maddison (AMF)

it's like I can see another forward here.