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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 1:36am On May 10, 2020 |
obainojazz: Are you forgetting that in the first leg of Liverpool match Messi scored 2 goals in a 3-0 victory In that CL match vs Barcelona we saw how VVD was pointing shouting and begging others to come to his aid vs Messi |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Lana1(m): 1:58am On May 10, 2020 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 2:01am On May 10, 2020 |
ChristineC: This is just stüpid ball watching by Ferdinand 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by obainojazz(m): 2:09am On May 10, 2020 |
raumdeuter:You want Messi to do a Boateng on him.. I prefer defenders like Vidic and Ramos to VVD though. Maybe I haven't watched enough of Boateng but dude is a suspect |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by biomustry: 2:21am On May 10, 2020 |
Ibime:He could not do anything there, unless he was to run and push Messi very quickly |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by thorrvik55(m): 2:39am On May 10, 2020 |
biomustry: B4 the cross came in, he allowed Messi too much space 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Lana1(m): 2:41am On May 10, 2020 |
biomustry:He should have tracked Messi better before the cross even came in. Look at all the space Messi had. Na very foolish ball watching. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by A40(m): 2:48am On May 10, 2020 |
Rolls Royce defending 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:32am On May 10, 2020 |
biomustry: He already lost Messi seconds.earlier by staring transfixed at the ball like an ode when Messi was making his run 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueRayDick: 4:45am On May 10, 2020 |
Ibime: The goal was Ferdinand's fault no doubt. He obviously underestimated the intelligence of the ball passer and also underestimated the resilience/positioning of the short Argentine. I'm sure he would've made a move or at least "gum-body" if he had seen zlatan or Ororo inside the box instead of messi. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 6:54am On May 10, 2020 |
timbros: Why do you like turning up and down like this ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() When a player enter the area, he is covering, then he should Mark the player.....thats zonal marking....... So players don't enter the area Rudiger Is suppose to Mark ![]() ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 7:19am On May 10, 2020 |
Expert17: You don't get it. In zonal marking, nobody marks anybody. You only mark an area. E.g when a corner kick is about to be played, all the players already knows the patch of areas he will cover if the ball comes. So whether it's Aguero, Jesus, Otamendi, Fernadinho, Sterling or whoever enters Rudiger's zone and the ball comes there, it is Rudiger's responsibility to attack and clear. Now this system is different from Man marking that Rudiger will be told to mark Aguero. So if its time for corner kick, Rudiger will always be with Aguero wherever he going. His job is 'don't lose Aguero'... Now you said the bolded earlier... Expert17: You are wrong and I want to correct that. Rudiger don't lose any player in zonal marking system because he doesn't mark any player. He only marks his zone. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 7:25am On May 10, 2020 |
timbros: So when a player enter the zone?? He keeps on marking the zone / the grass ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The meaning of marking zone = you should be the one winning the header/ball in a particular area of the field ......you should make sure, no mistake/goal from your zone 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:44am On May 10, 2020 |
Expert17: Timbros no know ball. Same as nitrogen. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:49am On May 10, 2020 |
ChristineC: timbros: See Ferdinand looking like mumu. If it was VVD, you, nitrogen and raumdeuter wouldn't let us hear word. What happened to looking over his shoulder and tracking Messi's run since he was the only threat unmarked and closer to him, before the cross? I can give multiple gifs where VVD tracked such runs and headed the ball to safety (pro-activeness). But to you, nothing is there in nodding aerial balls away. You no know ball ![]() 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 8:00am On May 10, 2020 |
airmark: He just dey change mouth.... As if, we haven't played football. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 8:01am On May 10, 2020 |
timbros: So you dnt know that, Ferdinard should either deal with the cross or Messi?? You no sabi ball |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 8:05am On May 10, 2020 |
nitrogen:I know. Ferdinand was caught out and a big part of winning headers is getting into a vantage position even before the ball is played. Cannavaro was good at this even though he was not the tallest of defenders. The point remains Messi scored a header that Ferdinand should have done better to stop. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 8:06am On May 10, 2020 |
Expert17: If you ask timbros what we call blind side defending, he will be looking like Ferdinand in that gif. ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 8:10am On May 10, 2020 |
airmark: Lols... He doesn't know the meaning of Zonal marking, you are saying blindside defending ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 8:29am On May 10, 2020 |
Video Evidence don backfire. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 8:36am On May 10, 2020 |
airmark:Well I'm sure Ferdinand has done that multiple times too. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pkasso(m): 8:43am On May 10, 2020 |
airmark:Gbam! You couldn't have put it any better. Meanwhile, Lana1 na weyrey for that pic wey e post. Lmao |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 8:48am On May 10, 2020 |
Expert17: I already explained the bolded in my last post. Instead of you to accept you made a mistake to say Rudiger loses his man in a zonal marking you will just be looking for ways to shift goal post. Accept your mistake and move on. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 8:54am On May 10, 2020 |
airmark: Again, I won't follow you in goal post shifting. That goal was Ferdinand's fault 100%. No argument. However what brought about Messi vs Ferdinand is not positioning, but winning aerial balls. I said it will be something special if a player like Son or Messi with their physique won VVD in an aerial ball then Pkasso mentioned Messi vs Ferdinand as if they contested an aerial ball and Messi won then you confidently replied "thank you o"... In that gif, did both of them contest the ball? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 8:54am On May 10, 2020 |
timbros: When a player enter your zone, in zonal marking...... Thats your man. That's why, in some games, you will see short players, for example, LUKE SHAW contesting/marking a tall player like FABINHO in corners, .....thats because Fabinho enter Shaw zone...... This is so simple. Go and watch Maguire's goal against Chelsea this season. You will understand Rudiger loosing his man. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 9:13am On May 10, 2020 |
Expert17: When you say Luke Shaw loses Fabinho, it mean Luke Shaw has Fabinho as his man in a man marking system. The same cannot be said of a zonal marking system. Most goals conceded in zonal marking system is two players misjudging their zones in a millisecond and the opposing attacker pounce to nod the ball home. Check most goals we concede from set pieces, it's always a free nodding. Sometimes one will wonder "why should that guy freely nod that ball like that? Who should be marking him?" The answer is, no one really is marking him. Just that 2 neighbouring zone markers thinking the other person got it covered and in that millisecond of switching off, an opponent pounces. That is where experience comes in. Chelsea defenders are struggling with this system. At some point, Lampard will change tactics to mixed zonal marking to salvage the game. But mostly Lampard too believe in zonal marking but our players are yet to master the system very well. And yes you are right, put Terry, Carvalho, Cahill and they will do better with their experience. To clarify again, a defender don't lose a man in zonal marking because he was not assigned any man to mark in the first place. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 9:14am On May 10, 2020 |
timbros: How do you win aerial balls without positioning ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 9:21am On May 10, 2020 |
Expert17: Did Messi and Ferdinand contest that ball and Messi won? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Expert17: 9:22am On May 10, 2020 |
timbros: I played professional football (goalkeeper) at some stage.. So when am telling you stuffs about defending......please stop arguing. 1. The way opponent plan to attack a corner, might determine if you gonna use Zonal marking or not. 2. When a man enter your zone/area in zonal marking, ... Thats your man......so you can loose your man, ( example, Maguire beating Rudiger to the ball and scoring against Chelsea) In Zonal marking, you are assigned to a zone/area in the field..... The opponent will assign them selve to each zone, ... Thereby leading to you having a man to mark. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nitrogen(m): 9:22am On May 10, 2020 |
airmark: Bros, stop na, what was the discussion about Na? Ferdinand vs Messi, there was no contest at all, it was a gift to Messi, the space was too much for Ferdinand to cover and contest for the ball. Messi would not have even tried to jump, assuming Ferdinand was closer to the ball. No doubt, VVD and Fagbo are almost the same, the difference is Ferdinand has done this winning multiple trophies, let your VVD get there first. Also, please note that Ferdinand was beginning to lose it, he was already 32/33, played 4 UCL semi-finals and 3 finals in 5 years. I'd easily pick Ferdinand at that age vs VVD at 27/28. Vidic sh1ts on both of them. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timbros(m): 9:23am On May 10, 2020 |
Expert17 can you identify who is marking who in this image? Can you lose who you are not marking? 2 Likes
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