obainojazz:
Lol
But a VVD led team has beaten a Messi team with a clean sheet and He's also a CL winner

Are you forgetting that in the first leg of Liverpool match Messi scored 2 goals in a 3-0 victory

In that CL match vs Barcelona we saw how VVD was pointing shouting and begging others to come to his aid vs Messi

ChristineC:
brah

Abeg o. Make una no drag pkasso.

This is how he saw Ferdinand that night.

ChristineC:
brah

This is just stüpid ball watching by Ferdinand

raumdeuter:


Are you forgetting that in the first leg of Liverpool match Messi scored 2 goals in a 3-0 victory

In that CL match vs Barcelona we saw how VVD was pointing shouting and begging others to come to his aid vs Messi

You want Messi to do a Boateng on him..
I prefer defenders like Vidic and Ramos to VVD though. Maybe I haven't watched enough of Boateng but dude is a suspect

Ibime:


This is just stüpid ball watching by Ferdinand

He could not do anything there, unless he was to run and push Messi very quickly

biomustry:

He could not do anything there, unless he was to run and push Messi very quickly

B4 the cross came in, he allowed Messi too much space

biomustry:

He could not do anything there, unless he was to run and push Messi very quickly

He should have tracked Messi better before the cross even came in. Look at all the space Messi had.

Na very foolish ball watching.

Rolls Royce defending

biomustry:

He could not do anything there, unless he was to run and push Messi very quickly

He already lost Messi seconds.earlier by staring transfixed at the ball like an ode when Messi was making his run

Ibime:


He already lost Messi seconds.earlier by staring transfixed at the ball like an ode when Messi was making his run

The goal was Ferdinand's fault no doubt.

He obviously underestimated the intelligence of the ball passer and also underestimated the resilience/positioning of the short Argentine.

I'm sure he would've made a move or at least "gum-body" if he had seen zlatan or Ororo inside the box instead of messi.

timbros:




Pay attention to both coloured bolded part of your posts.

How will Rudiger lose a player when he is covering an area of the pitch?

Why do you like turning up and down like this



When a player enter the area, he is covering, then he should Mark the player.....thats zonal marking....... So players don't enter the area Rudiger Is suppose to Mark

Expert17:


Why do you like turning up and down like this



When a player enter the area, he is covering, then he should Mark the player.....thats zonal marking....... So players don't enter the area Rudiger Is suppose to Mark

You don't get it.

In zonal marking, nobody marks anybody. You only mark an area. E.g when a corner kick is about to be played, all the players already knows the patch of areas he will cover if the ball comes. So whether it's Aguero, Jesus, Otamendi, Fernadinho, Sterling or whoever enters Rudiger's zone and the ball comes there, it is Rudiger's responsibility to attack and clear. Now this system is different from Man marking that Rudiger will be told to mark Aguero. So if its time for corner kick, Rudiger will always be with Aguero wherever he going. His job is 'don't lose Aguero'...

Now you said the bolded earlier...

Expert17:


Put Terry, Cahill and Ivanovic with this same zonal marking.......... lets see if the problem will still be there

Zouma that will always jump before ball..............Rudiger will loose the player he is suppose to mark

You are wrong and I want to correct that.

Rudiger don't lose any player in zonal marking system because he doesn't mark any player. He only marks his zone.

timbros:


You don't get it.

In zonal marking, nobody marks anybody. You only mark an area. E.g when a corner kick is about to be played, all the players already knows the patch of areas he will cover if the ball comes. So whether it's Aguero, Jesus, Otamendi, Fernadinho, Sterling or whoever enters Rudiger's zone and the ball comes there, it is Rudiger's responsibility to attack and clear. Now this system is different from Man marking that Rudiger will be told to mark Aguero. So if its time for corner kick, Rudiger will always be with Aguero wherever he going. His job is 'don't lose Aguero'...

Now you said the bolded earlier...



You are wrong and I want to correct that.

Rudiger don't lose any player in zonal marking system because he doesn't mark any player. He only marks his zone.

So when a player enter the zone?? He keeps on marking the zone / the grass



The meaning of marking zone = you should be the one winning the header/ball in a particular area of the field ......you should make sure, no mistake/goal from your zone

Expert17:


So when a player enter the zone?? He keeps on marking the zone / the grass



The meaning of marking zone = you should be the one winning the header/ball in a particular area of the field ......you should be make sure, no mistake/goal from your zone

Timbros no know ball. Same as nitrogen.

ChristineC:
brah

timbros:


Did you see the gif ChristineC posted above?

And to think you typed that "thank you o" with confidence ehn!

See Ferdinand looking like mumu. If it was VVD, you, nitrogen and raumdeuter wouldn't let us hear word.

What happened to looking over his shoulder and tracking Messi's run since he was the only threat unmarked and closer to him, before the cross?

I can give multiple gifs where VVD tracked such runs and headed the ball to safety (pro-activeness). But to you, nothing is there in nodding aerial balls away. You no know ball

airmark:


Itmbros no know ball. Same as nitrogen.

He just dey change mouth....

As if, we haven't played football.

timbros:


Did you see the gif ChristineC posted above?

And to think you typed that "thank you o" with confidence ehn!

So you dnt know that, Ferdinard should either deal with the cross or Messi??

You no sabi ball

nitrogen:


Geez, the ball was way beyond Ferdinand, reason he didn't jump. Go and watch the goal again.

I know. Ferdinand was caught out and a big part of winning headers is getting into a vantage position even before the ball is played. Cannavaro was good at this even though he was not the tallest of defenders. The point remains Messi scored a header that Ferdinand should have done better to stop.

Expert17:


So you dnt know that, Ferdinard should either deal with the cross or Messi??

You no sabi ball

If you ask timbros what we call blind side defending, he will be looking like Ferdinand in that gif.

airmark:


If you ask timbros what we call blindside defending, he will be looking like Ferdinand in that gif.

Lols...

He doesn't know the meaning of Zonal marking, you are saying blindside defending

Video Evidence don backfire.

airmark:




See Ferdinand looking like mumu. If it was VVD, you, nitrogen and raumdeuter wouldn't let us hear word.

What happened to looking over his shoulder and tracking Messi's run since he was the only threat unmarked and closer to him, before the cross?

I can give multiple gifs where VVD tracked such runs and headed the ball to safety (pro-activeness). But to you, nothing is there in nodding aerial balls away. You no know ball

Well I'm sure Ferdinand has done that multiple times too.

airmark:




See Ferdinand looking like mumu. If it was VVD, you, nitrogen and raumdeuter wouldn't let us hear word.

What happened to looking over his shoulder and tracking Messi's run since he was the only threat unmarked and closer to him, before the cross?

I can give multiple gifs where VVD tracked such runs and headed the ball to safety (pro-activeness). But to you, nothing is there in nodding aerial balls away. You no know ball

Gbam! You couldn't have put it any better.

Meanwhile, Lana1 na weyrey for that pic wey e post. Lmao

Expert17:


So when a player enter the zone?? He keeps on marking the zone / the grass??



The meaning of marking zone = you should be the one winning the header/ball in a particular area of the field ......you should make sure, no mistake/goal from your zone

I already explained the bolded in my last post.

Instead of you to accept you made a mistake to say Rudiger loses his man in a zonal marking you will just be looking for ways to shift goal post. Accept your mistake and move on.

airmark:




See Ferdinand looking like mumu. If it was VVD, you, nitrogen and raumdeuter wouldn't let us hear word.

What happened to looking over his shoulder and tracking Messi's run since he was the only threat unmarked and closer to him, before the cross?

I can give multiple gifs where VVD tracked such runs and headed the ball to safety (pro-activeness). But to you, nothing is there in nodding aerial balls away. You no know ball

Again, I won't follow you in goal post shifting.

That goal was Ferdinand's fault 100%. No argument.

However what brought about Messi vs Ferdinand is not positioning, but winning aerial balls.
I said it will be something special if a player like Son or Messi with their physique won VVD in an aerial ball then Pkasso mentioned Messi vs Ferdinand as if they contested an aerial ball and Messi won then you confidently replied "thank you o"...

In that gif, did both of them contest the ball?

timbros:


I already explained the bolded in my last post.

Instead of you to accept you made a mistake to say Rudiger loses his man in a zonal marking you will just be looking for ways to shift goal post. Accept your mistake and move on.

When a player enter your zone, in zonal marking...... Thats your man.

That's why, in some games, you will see short players, for example, LUKE SHAW contesting/marking a tall player like FABINHO in corners, .....thats because Fabinho enter Shaw zone...... This is so simple.

Go and watch Maguire's goal against Chelsea this season. You will understand Rudiger loosing his man.

Expert17:


When a player enter your zone, in zonal marking...... Thats your man.

That's why, in some games, you will see short players, for example, LUKE SHAW contesting/marking a tall player like FABINHO in corners, .....thats because Fabinho enter Shaw zone...... This is so simple.

Go and watch Maguire's goal against Chelsea this season. You will understand Rudiger loosing his man.

When you say Luke Shaw loses Fabinho, it mean Luke Shaw has Fabinho as his man in a man marking system. The same cannot be said of a zonal marking system.

Most goals conceded in zonal marking system is two players misjudging their zones in a millisecond and the opposing attacker pounce to nod the ball home. Check most goals we concede from set pieces, it's always a free nodding. Sometimes one will wonder "why should that guy freely nod that ball like that? Who should be marking him?" The answer is, no one really is marking him. Just that 2 neighbouring zone markers thinking the other person got it covered and in that millisecond of switching off, an opponent pounces.

That is where experience comes in. Chelsea defenders are struggling with this system. At some point, Lampard will change tactics to mixed zonal marking to salvage the game. But mostly Lampard too believe in zonal marking but our players are yet to master the system very well. And yes you are right, put Terry, Carvalho, Cahill and they will do better with their experience.

To clarify again, a defender don't lose a man in zonal marking because he was not assigned any man to mark in the first place.

timbros:


Again, I won't follow you in goal post shifting.

That goal was Ferdinand's fault 100%. No argument.

However what brought about Messi vs Ferdinand is not positioning, but winning aerial balls.
I said it will be something special if a player like Son or Messi with their physique won VVD in an aerial ball then Pkasso mentioned Messi vs Ferdinand as if they contested an aerial ball and Messi won then you confidently replied "thank you o"...

In that gif, did both of them contest the ball?

How do you win aerial balls without positioning?

Expert17:


How do you win aerial balls without positioning?

Did Messi and Ferdinand contest that ball and Messi won?

timbros:


When you say Luke Shaw loses Fabinho, it mean Luke Shaw has Fabinho as his man in a man marking system. The same cannot be said of a zonal marking system.

Most goals conceded in zonal marking system is two players misjudging their zones in a millisecond and the opposing attacker pounce to nod the ball home. Check most goals we concede from set pieces, it's always a free nodding. Sometimes one will wonder "why should that guy freely nod that ball like that? Who should be marking him?" The answer is, no one really is marking him. Just that 2 neighbouring zone markers thinking the other person got it covered and in that millisecond of switching off, an opponent pounces.

That is where experience comes in. Chelsea defenders are struggling with this system. At some point, Lampard will change tactics to mixed zonal marking to salvage the game. But mostly Lampard too believe in zonal marking but our players are yet to master the system very well. And yes you are right, put Terry, Carvalho, Cahill and they will do better with their experience.

To clarify again, a defender don't lose a man in zonal marking because he was not assigned any man to mark in the first place.

I played professional football (goalkeeper) at some stage..

So when am telling you stuffs about defending......please stop arguing.

1. The way opponent plan to attack a corner, might determine if you gonna use Zonal marking or not.

2. When a man enter your zone/area in zonal marking, ... Thats your man......so you can loose your man, ( example, Maguire beating Rudiger to the ball and scoring against Chelsea)

In Zonal marking, you are assigned to a zone/area in the field..... The opponent will assign them selve to each zone, ... Thereby leading to you having a man to mark.

airmark:




See Ferdinand looking like mumu. If it was VVD, you, nitrogen and raumdeuter wouldn't let us hear word.

What happened to looking over his shoulder and tracking Messi's run since he was the only threat unmarked and closer to him, before the cross?

I can give multiple gifs where VVD tracked such runs and headed the ball to safety (pro-activeness). But to you, nothing is there in nodding aerial balls away. You no know ball

Bros, stop na, what was the discussion about Na? Ferdinand vs Messi, there was no contest at all, it was a gift to Messi, the space was too much for Ferdinand to cover and contest for the ball.

Messi would not have even tried to jump, assuming Ferdinand was closer to the ball.

No doubt, VVD and Fagbo are almost the same, the difference is Ferdinand has done this winning multiple trophies, let your VVD get there first.

Also, please note that Ferdinand was beginning to lose it, he was already 32/33, played 4 UCL semi-finals and 3 finals in 5 years. I'd easily pick Ferdinand at that age vs VVD at 27/28.

Vidic sh1ts on both of them.

Expert17 can you identify who is marking who in this image? Can you lose who you are not marking?