timbros:


Again, I won't follow you in goal post shifting.

That goal was Ferdinand's fault 100%. No argument.

However what brought about Messi vs Ferdinand is not positioning, but winning aerial balls.
I said it will be something special if a player like Son or Messi with their physique won VVD in an aerial ball then Pkasso mentioned Messi vs Ferdinand as if they contested an aerial ball and Messi won then you confidently replied "thank you o"...

In that gif, did both of them contest the ball?

timbros:


Did Messi and Ferdinand contest that ball and Messi won?

Expert17:


How do you win aerial balls without positioning?

timbros:
Expert17 can you identify who is marking who in this image? Can you lose who you are not marking?

Expert17:


I played professional football (goalkeeper) at some stage..

So when am telling you stuffs about defending......please stop arguing.

1. The way opponent plan to attack a corner, might determine if you gonna use Zonal marking or not.

2. When a man enter your zone/area in zonal marking, ... Thats your man......so you can loose your man, ( example, Maguire beating Rudiger to the ball and scoring against Chelsea)

In Zonal marking, you are assigned to a zone/area in the field..... The opponent will assign them selve to each zone, ... Thereby leading to you having a man to mark.

pkasso:
Gbam! You couldn't have put it any better.

Meanwhile, Lana1 na weyrey for that pic wey e post. Lmao

airmark:


Our initial argument was on winning aerial duels, which meant nothing to you, since all cbs are trained to win aerial duels.

In that Ferdinands gif, it would have become an aerial duel if Ferdinand had tracked Messi's run. He failed to defend his blind side and he couldn't deal with the aerial ball.

If VVD was the one in that situation, had tracked Messi's run and nodded the ball away, you would have come here to tell us no biggie in what he did, since that's what all cbs are trained to do - to win aerial duels, in fact against a midget (Messi).

Take your L peacefully.

Expert17:


Ferdinard was zone- marking by protecting the area in front of goal, .. Messi enter the same zone, ferdinard was trying to protect and score.

Ferdinard should have dealt with Messi, so he is at fault for the goal.

nitrogen:


You and your goons, keep shifting the goal post. We dey talk aerial ball contest, you are saying something else. Everything is based on the assumption that you are perfectly able to contest with opposition players for the ball.

Kuku tell a defender to contest a ball that is 5-yards away from him, and 1 yard away from the opposition player.

Better stop learning from Airmark and Dayo.

Expert17:


When the ball is on the air, ... Those attacking the ball, will enter those zone the defenders are protecting., .....thats when you will have a man to Mark.

That's why Chelsea defenders can't zone mark.....you will only know the player you are contesting with, like 3 secs before the ball lands...
So you need high concentration.

airmark:


Anticipatory defending, sometimes ends in aerial duel and the praises must go to the defender for his proactiveness.

I cant believe nitrogen and timbros think, in all aerial duels, defenders just stand in a position and balls come to meet them and they jump. Why they see no big deal in winning aerial duels. They don't know it has everything to do with timing and not just having useless height like Boathand.

We won't stop educating them.

timbros:


1. Every coach goes into a game with a tactic in place. Either zonal marking or man marking. However, during the course of the game, if the defenders are struggling with that tactic the coach can tweak.

2. The defending players don't stand man to man with any body so you can't lose who you are not standing with. The problem is when a player misjudge their zone and an attacking player pounce in his zone. That is where experience comes in.

And the bolded is just hilarious. That you played professional football doesn't mean jack. Gary Neville wouldn't have conceded all those goals as a coach in Valencia that led to losing games and ultimately led to him being sacked because he played as a defender.

nitrogen:


Geez, the ball was way beyond Ferdinand, reason he didn't jump. Go and watch the goal again.

timbros:


They know the truth but them go always shift post.

timbros:


So how will you lose a player you have only 3secs to identify?

Expert17:


My definition of Zone marking= you mark a zone, when a player enter the zone, you mark the player...

Your definition= you only mark the zone, you dont mark player.

Since you are still arguing,... i have to consult google to help us,.... i know you cant argue with google.

Herbiedeen:

Gabriel Jesus and Sergio Ramos nko??

timbros:


That was never my definition.

You mark your zone and if the ball drops in your zone, of course you are expected to clear the ball and if an opposing player is attacking the ball that moment, it means you have marked him by clearing the ball that drops in your zone.

That scenario is different from when the coach before the game says Expert17 mark Airmark, he is your man. In this case Expert will gum body with airmark everywhere not minding any zone. This is where you can lose your man.

Expert17:


Ferdinard lost Messi in how many seconds there??

timbros:


But it wasn't.

So this example doesn't fit our argument in the first place.

Was there an aerial contest? No. So look for another example.

Expert17:


What if you are unable to clear the ball,..and the opponent in your zone score....... who is at fault for the goal?? have you lost the man, you are marking in your zone??

The aim is to clear the ball out of your zone

If an opponent was in your zone, you're to clear the ball

If there is no opponent in your zone, you are to still clear the ball

No matter what, you must clear the ball. Clearing the ball is your goal, whether you see any opponent or not

You are just repeating what you both are saying indirectly. Some of us are reading

Don't make it stressful for us, please

Expert17:


What if you are unable to clear the ball,..and the opponent in your zone score....... who is at fault for the goal?? have you lost the man, you are marking in your zone??

airmark:


Diggz said one of your problems is comprehension. He was right.

Expert17:


I played professional football (goalkeeper) at some stage..

So when am telling you stuffs about defending......please stop arguing.

1. The way opponent plan to attack a corner, might determine if you gonna use Zonal marking or not.

2. When a man enter your zone/area in zonal marking, ... Thats your man......so you can loose your man, ( example, Maguire beating Rudiger to the ball and scoring against Chelsea)

In Zonal marking, you are assigned to a zone/area in the field..... The opponent will assign them selve to each zone, ... Thereby leading to you having a man to mark.

timbros:


No, you didn't lose him.

It means you failed to protect your zone very well.

Losing a player means you are marking a player, following him around and somehow he evades you to nod the ball. You have lost him. It might be as a result of his clever run, or you slipped while following him, or bodies blocked you and he went off.... All these can't happen when you are marking a zone.

Expert17:
Timbros,

I told you, sometimes the way opponent attacks set-piece will determine which marking style you will use.

The reason England were king of set-piece at 2018 world, was because they make opposition to zone -mark(which is very hard and confusing)

This is the goal Maguire scored against Sweden,.....look at the way england are lining up to attack the corner, Sweden was Man-marking instead of Zone-marking

Expert17:


If you agree with this google definition......

when a player enter your zone,..... you are to mark the player.......so if the player beat you to the ball,...did you loose him??

timbros:


I think I have answered that before.

izzou:


The aim is to clear the ball out of your zone

If an opponent was in your zone, you're to clear the ball

If there is no opponent in your zone, you are to still clear the ball

No matter what, you must clear the ball. Clearing the ball is your goal, whether you see any opponent or not

You are just repeating what you both are saying indirectly. Some of us are reading

Don't make it stressful for us, please

timbros:


You just can't do without your backup....

Expert17:


I think google cnt be wrong.

And my definition and explanation align with google..... when a player, enter your zone, you mark the player...if you cant do that, you may loose the player

Rudiger was at fault for Maguire's goal,... so this will help you understand.