Imagine some christians lying in order to enter this platform, all in the name of gaining hearts into their religion..... Is using lie to preach the truth among the teachings of Jesus?�


#Christianity=Deception

yGoodmann:
Imagine some christians lying in order to enter this platform, all in the name of gaining hearts into their religion..... Is using lie to preach the truth among the teachings of Jesus?�


#Christianity=Deception

You don't get converted by clicking one rubbish on nairaland.

One believes with his heart and confesses with his mouth not by clicking

advocatejare:

You don't get converted by clicking one rubbish on nairaland.

One believes with his heart and confesses with his mouth not by clicking

What is the different between you and an underage trying to do what is meant for adults on the internet?.....Well, you might as well tell me the boy is doing well.....

yGoodmann:



What is the different between you and an underage trying to do what is meant for adults on the internet.. ...Well, you might tell me the boy is doing well...

If you want to catch a monkey, you act like a monkey.

And you should to Caesar what is due to Caesar.

You can't have free access to other people's religion section and restrict access to your own

advocatejare:

If you want to catch a monkey, you act like a monkey.

And you should to Caesar what is due to Caesar.

You can't have free access to other people's religion section and restrict access to your own

Was that how Jesus did to preach the gospel?...or show me an example of such in your holy story book

yGoodmann:



Was that how Jesus did to preach the gospel?...or show me an example of such in your holy story book

Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's..."

Now show me from your Quran where your Allah says you must put restrictions on people commenting on your religious page

advocatejare:

Matthew 22:21 Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's..."

Now show me from your Quran where your Allah says you must put restrictions on people commenting on your religious page

thank you, i heard you said it was my religion, don't i have the right to protect what belongs to me?.....meanwhile, only a bigot like you will use a question to answer a question

yGoodmann:


thank you, i heard you said it was my religion, don't i have the right to protect what belongs to me?.....meanwhile, only a bigot like you will use a question to answer a question

Stop insulting. I've answered your question. Be honourable to answer mine.

advocatejare:

Stop insulting. I've answered your question. Be honourable to answer mine.

this is how you guys use the wrong verses to support motions...using matt 22: 21 to support your deceitful claim is another form of lie, christians bible scholars will disagree with you..

even i can't imagine sunday school kids using that verse to reinforce such a claim

yGoodmann:


this is how you guys use the wrong verses to support motions...using matt 22: 21 to support your deceitful claim is another form of lie, christians bible scholars will disagree with you..

even i can't imagine sunday school kids using that verse to reinforce such a claim

Diversion tactics.

If only you read and not cram your Quran, you should have learnt that there's no compulsion in religion.


لَآ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ  ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَىِّ  ۚ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطّٰغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنۢ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقٰى لَا انْفِصَامَ لَهَا  ۗ وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 256)

yGoodmann:


this is how you guys use the wrong verses to support motions...using matt 22: 21 to support your deceitful claim is another form of lie, christians bible scholars will disagree with you..

even i can't imagine sunday school kids using that verse to reinforce such a claim

Your religion is the one that teaches you fraud. Let me lecture you:

Allah says a muslim can swear a false oath to people as their oaths don't hold water, if a Muslim swear to you and you believe it, you'll have yourself to be blamed because Allah has said that a Muslim can break his oath with you by doing any of this:



1. feed ten needy people or



2. clothe them or



3. free a slave or



if you cant afford any of the above, simply



4. fast for 3 days (the same Islamic fasting of eating early in the morning)



So if a Muslim tells you that "please lend me 1million naira I swear by Allah that I will pay back by month end" and you believe him, you've been defrauded because Allah had taught him how to break his oath by doing any of the 4 above



"Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for [breaking] what you intended of oaths.
So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your [own] families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find [or afford it] - then a fast of three days [is required]. That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful."

(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 89)

yGoodmann:


this is how you guys use the wrong verses to support motions...using matt 22: 21 to support your deceitful claim is another form of lie, christians bible scholars will disagree with you..

even i can't imagine sunday school kids using that verse to reinforce such a claim

There are many hadiths where Mohammed encourage Muslims to break their oaths and even lie:

"... If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better."
-Sahih Bukhari 9:89:260

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who took an oath and (later on) found another thing better than that, he should do that which is better, and expiate for the vow (broken by him).
-Sahih Muslim 15:4054

Mohammed even encouraged his follower to lie so that he could gain the trust of the person Mohammed wanted to murder:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." ....
Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they
killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."
-Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369

That was how they used lies to get close to Kab and killed him.

advocatejare:

Diversion tactics.

If only you read and not cram your Quran, you should have learnt that there's no compulsion in religion.


لَآ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ  ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ الرُّشْدُ مِنَ الْغَىِّ  ۚ فَمَنْ يَكْفُرْ بِالطّٰغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنۢ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدِ اسْتَمْسَكَ بِالْعُرْوَةِ الْوُثْقٰى لَا انْفِصَامَ لَهَا  ۗ وَاللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 256)

another misquotation, which kind of brain is this?, is there any muslim that was forced to join this platform?....this is very simple, just like a person willingly aspiring for a course in an institution, if he was admitted, he has to comply with the rules of the institution...do you still call that compulsion?

yGoodmann:


another misquotation, which kind of brain is this?, is there any muslim that was forced to join this platform?....this is very simple, just like a person willingly aspiring for a course in an institution, if he was admitted, he has to comply with the rules of the institution...do you still call that compulsion?

As long as you don't get to click any rubbish when commenting on other religions' section, then forcing people to click before commenting on your own is compulsion

advocatejare:

If you want to catch a monkey, you act like a monkey.

And you should to Caesar what is due to Caesar.

You can't have free access to other people's religion section and restrict access to your own

You don't know NL history as to why restriction was placed on muslims section. Read history how your fellow christians and atheists behaved

https://www.nairaland.com/4902301/why-muslims-site-need-safe

But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful."

(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 89)
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I don't think it's normal to be asking of how old you are, so you want death penalty for bearing of false oaths, ...payment of fine and doing public work as penalties for some offences in a country now serve as encouragement for the citizens to keep committing those offences right?....this is just application of simple common sense.

As in where were you instructed to lie before preaching the gospel...


I don't think there is any account of Jesus and his disciples lying in order to sneak into a place because they wanted to preach.

yGoodmann:
But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful."

(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 89)



I don't think it's normal to be asking of how old you are, so you want death penalty for bearing of false oaths, ...payment of fine and doing public work as penalties for some offences in a country now serve as encouragement for the citizens to keep committing those offences right?....this is just application of simple common sense.

But I've shown you many Hadiths where Muhammad your best interpreter of the Quran encouraged lying and breaking of oaths

"... If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better."
-Sahih Bukhari 9:89:260

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: He who took an oath and (later on) found another thing better than that, he should do that which is better, and expiate for the vow (broken by him).
-Sahih Muslim 15:4054

Mohammed even encouraged his follower to lie so that he could gain the trust of the person Mohammed wanted to murder:

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." ....
Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they
killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."
-Sahih Bukhari 5:59:369

That was how they used lies to get close to Kab and killed him.

yGoodmann:
As in where were you instructed to lie before preaching the gospel...


I don't think there is any account of Jesus and his disciples lying in order to sneak into a place because they wanted to preach.

Scroll up, your answer is there

yGoodmann:
Imagine some christians lying in order to enter this platform, all in the name of gaining hearts into their religion..... Is using lie to preach the truth among the teachings of Jesus?�


#Christianity=Deception

#allah= Best Deceiver

In the following Qur'an verses, Allah reveals to us that he is the "best deceiver".

Qur'an 3:54

Arabic: ﻭﻣﻜﺮﻭﺍ ﻭﻣﻜﺮ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻭﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺧﻴﺮ ﺍﻟﻤﺎﻛﺮﻳﻦ

Transliteration: Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.


Qur'an 7:99

Arabic: ﺍﻓﺎﻣﻨﻮﺍ ﻣﻜﺮ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻓﻼﻳﺎﻣﻦ ﻣﻜﺮ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺍﻻ ﺍﻟﻘﻮﻡ ﺍﻟﺨﺎﺳﺮﻭﻥ

Transliteration: Afaaminoo makra Allahi fala ya/manu makra Allahi illa alqawmu alkhasiroona

Literal: Did they secure God's scheme/deceit ? So no(one) trusts God's scheme/ deceit except the nation the losers


Qur'an 8:30

Arabic: ﻭﺍﺫ ﻳﻤﻜﺮ ﺑﻚ ﺍﻟﺬﻳﻦ ﻛﻔﺮﻭﺍ ﻟﻴﺜﺒﺘﻮﻙ ﺍﻭ ﻳﻘﺘﻠﻮﻙ ﺍﻭ ﻳﺨﺮﺟﻮﻙ ﻭﻳﻤﻜﺮﻭﻥ ﻭﻳﻤﻜﺮ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ
ﻭﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺧﻴﺮ ﺍﻟﻤﺎﻛﺮﻳﻦ

Transliteration: Wa-ith yamkuru bika allatheena kafaroo liyuthbitooka aw yaqtulooka aw yukhrijooka wayamkuroona wayamkuru Allahu waAllahu khayru almakireena

Literal: And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and God deceives/ schemes and God (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.


Qur'an 10:21

Arabic: ﻭﺍﺫﺍ ﺍﺫﻗﻨﺎ ﺍﻟﻨﺎﺱ ﺭﺣﻤﺔ ﻣﻦ ﺑﻌﺪ ﺿﺮﺍﺀ ﻣﺴﺘﻬﻢ ﺍﺫﺍ ﻟﻬﻢ ﻣﻜﺮ ﻓﻲ ﺍﻳﺎﺗﻨﺎ ﻗﻞ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺍﺳﺮﻉ
ﻣﻜﺮﺍ ﺍﻥ ﺭﺳﻠﻨﺎ ﻳﻜﺘﺒﻮﻥ ﻣﺎﺗﻤﻜﺮﻭﻥ

Transliteration: Wa-itha athaqna alnnasa rahmatan min baAAdi darraa massat-
hum itha lahum makrun fee ayatina quli Allahu asraAAu makran inna rusulana yaktuboona ma tamkuroona

Literal: And if We made the people taste/experience mercy from after calamity/
disastrous distress touched them, then for them (is) cheatery/deceit/schemes in Our verses/evidences . Say: "God (is) quicker/faster (in) cunning/scheming , that Our messengers write what you cheat/ deceive/scheme."


Qur'an 13:42

Arabic: ﻭﻗﺪ ﻣﻜﺮ ﺍﻟﺬﻳﻦ ﻣﻦ ﻗﺒﻠﻬﻢ ﻓﻠﻠﻪ ﺍﻟﻤﻜﺮ ﺟﻤﻴﻌﺎ ﻳﻌﻠﻢ ﻣﺎﺗﻜﺴﺐ ﻛﻞ ﻧﻔﺲ ﻭﺳﻴﻌﻠﻢ ﺍﻟﻜﻔﺎﺭ
ﻟﻤﻦ ﻋﻘﺒﻰ ﺍﻟﺪﺍﺭ

Transliteration: Waqad makara allatheena min qablihim falillahi almakru
jameeAAan yaAAlamu ma taksibu kullu nafsin wasayaAAlamu alkuffaru liman
AAuqba alddari

Literal: And those from before them had cheated/deceived/schemed, so to God (is) all the cheatery/deceit/scheme. He knows what every self gains/acquires , and the disbelievers will know to whom (is) the house's/home's end/turn (result)