Please any info on the vfs matter

I understand the other rejection reasons but what i dont understand is rejection based on history of having contravened the conditions of admission on a previous stay in Canada

Wunaarroon69:
That’s what I’m saying.

Your reason for apply for Msc is not clear because usually msc is for people that have work experience and want to learn more per say. Also not having a job shows you lack home ties which all boils down to “purpose of visit”. I wish I can see your sop because that’s where you made mistake. If you have explained your reasons well, they would have given you. The only one i don’t understand is this contravened the conditions of admission on a previous stay in canada. First time I am seeing such reason [/b]

My regards to you faith, I hope and pray your next application is successful.

Please in regards to this application, I also feel like I am in the same boat as I just finished service in the last week of March just before the lockdown was enforced. Though I was working on securing a job before the lockdown, I’m currently unemployed.
My question is how does one prove purpose of visit and home ties without a job?
I am trying to explain that in my SOP and my admission is for an MEng, but do you have any suitable way in mind this can be explained ?
Any response would be appreciated.
Thank you very much.

Frankrobbn1:




It was never a rule of law by IRCC that sponsor's shouldn't make use of their money even though there is a pending visa application for a Candidate at the embassy. Sponsor's are very free to utilize their money at any given time for the smooth running of their businesses but should maintain a steady source of income i.e inflow and outflow of cash in their bank accounts.

Please note that non-withdrawal of funds is only applicable to permanent residency applicants and NOT study visa guarantors/sponsors.


With regards to your subsequent question, You can include the Polaris bank statement as a supporting POF in your application. However if the funds in that account is just 500k, I wouldn't advise you to include it because I have seen a scenario whereby an applicant submitted two bank statements (one is company and the other personal), the visa officer refused the application on the basis of financial insufficiency. Thus in order to have a clearer insight on the refusal, the applicant decided to order for the visa officer secret file (GCMS notes) and comments obtained from the notes narrated that;

"Sponsor submitted POF of 500k, which shows a modest/low financial support to cover for the PA's planned studies in Canada. I am not satisfied that you have the financial resources to pay for your tuition and upkeep without working in Canada"

Mind you, the applicant included two bank statements but the Visa officer neglected the personal statement but used the company statement which had huge inflow and outflow against the applicant's application. In view of this, I would suggest that you should provide the bank statement that has the adequate available funds to cover for your tuition and living expenses and leave the company statement.

I have noticed your moniker lately and how passionate you're to the members of this thread. Keep it up.

I hope this information satisfies your enquiry.


As always, it will end in praise.

Yes, ur response on this rilly satisfy my enquiry
Thanks so much Frankrobbn1 for the experienced-based & Reference-based response... I so much appreciate....

And to ur 2nd to the last paragraph Mon Plasir

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Sorry please anybody done Biometrics if recent

Faith243:
I understand the other rejection reasons but what i dont understand is rejection based on history of having contravened the conditions of admission on a previous stay in Canada

Sorry about the rejection. First, I will ask you to speak with your brother about the reasons given by CIC. Ask him if he did anything that might have jeopardize your chances, if he hasn't done anything wrong then I will advise you appeal your case(that's if you have the time and resources to go through it).
These vos are human and sometimes times make mistakes. First speak with your brother and hear what he has to say about it. Good luck
NB: There's nothing wrong in you going for MSc or submitting your own SOA as well(as long as you showed enough funds to cover your tuition and living expenses and your sponsor showed her source of income)

Faith243:


My biological brother, he has his PR

When do you applied?

Piecoco:


When do you applied?

March 19th

That means they have decided to response to applicants. Na weather them be, you can never understand them.
It is well. Rejection after a long time after BVL date.

It is well. Sorry Faith, you can always reapply.

Jephehe:
What is your brother status in Canada? Is he a biological brother or brother in Christ?

Jeph, I don't know you to be a comedian @ the bolded. I believe the refusal is an error from the visa officer's part for having raised such reason when the applicant haven't travelled out from her home country before.

@Faith243, I regret to hear about the rejection of your visa. I would suggest you appeal your case with an experienced immigration attorney. Let even assume that your brother is the one at fault, but that in no way should effect your application as your profile is meant to be treated independantly. These visa officers are human beings and as such are bound to make mistakes.

I am confident with an experienced immigration lawyer you stand a better chance to be approved.

SonofGod2000:
That means they have decided to response to applicants. Na weather them be, you can never understand them.
It is well. Rejection after a long time after BVL date.

It is well. Sorry Faith, you can always reapply.

Thanks i will reapply but i need to tackle to reasons for rejection before doing that, so gurus in the house please i need your assistance.

This one na work o.
Where and how can she find an experienced attorney? Plus the money involved and time. Is she not able to reapply and state on her LOE that it was an error because of so so reason. Anyway you know better I guess

Frankrobbn1:


Jeph, I don't know you to be a comedian the bolded. I believe the refusal is an error from the visa officer's part for having raised such reason when the applicant haven't travelled out from her home country before.

@Faith243, I regret to hear about the rejection of your visa. I would suggest you appeal your case with an experienced immigration attorney. Let even assume that your brother is the one at fault, but that in no way should effect your application as your profile is meant to be treated independantly. These visa officers are human beings and as such are bound to make mistakes.

I am confident with an experienced immigration lawyer you stand a better chance to be approved.

Faith243:


Thanks i will reapply but i need to tackle to reasons for rejection before doing that, so gurus in the house please i need your assistance.

Don't just reapply blindly, get an experienced immigration lawyer to fight your case. Your case has a good prospect to be won by a lawyer. The process would cost you $4,000CAD. If you can afford it, go for it.

It will end in praise.

Hello Mr Frankrobbn1 and other gurus in the house.Forgive me if you're not mentioned.
I'm currently going gaga.

I applied first in Jan and got denied in Feb. Refusal Details being: "current employment situation and family ties in home country and in Canada"

Here's my profile:
I'm 23(24 by October) No tertiary education yet, i have an 8 year gap from end of secondary schl up till 2020.
I've been working since 2016 as an ict staff at an energy company, learning software dev. And volunteering at a local book club
SOA= 11,200usd + 13M =about 62KCaD or so, sponsor is mum, 2yr fees + living expenses= about 40KCAD and is way less than the total of what i presented so money shouldn't be an issue.
I gained adms at NBCC for a 2yr diploma in network administration for Fall 2020,
I had my sponsor write a letter too including my SOP , waec, family properties including a land Doc in my name, mum's last designation and salary increase.

I reapplied on 4th of march with all info above and added
Proof of family ties which include: Dad and mum's employment proof, my birth certificate and that of entire family,each member of family's local govt of origin cert
I also added proof of employment which include : Employment letter, confirmation letter, ID, Leave approval for duration of study from my employer and also indicated that i hv been denied bfr above.

Today i got denied for the second time and I'm sad and demoralised.

Reasons being:
travel history
Family ties in canada and home country
Current employment situation
Personal assests and status
Purpose of visit

Man y'all help me please
And also how do i get the gcsms notes

What of people that have been rejected based on travel history despite having many histories of visiting US/U.K. etc. Even people that have been rejected because of ties in Canada. I believe it’s a generic refusal. Involving immigration lawyer na long process. I was previously denied based on travel history even though I uploaded my previous visas and even current US visa. Also based on ties in Canada but I don’t even have a close friend there no talk more of family. I didn’t use any lawyer, but I got the permit after explaining facts in LOE and still uploading same documents. I’m not saying she shouldn’t get lawyer, I’m just saying it’s not very necessary. Not only Canada, other countries reject generically all the time.

almost 1.2m to use on top immigration lawyer that you’re not even 100% sure of winning the case? Me I won’t advise sha/

Frankrobbn1:


Don't just reapply blindly, get an experienced immigration lawyer to fight your case. Your case has a good prospect to be won by a lawyer. The process would cost you $4,000CAD. If you can afford it, go for it.

It will end in praise.

It’s like today it’s for refusal.

Sorry dear, all hope not lost. I think it’s your gap year but others can advise you better.

I’m guessing you have already been rejected based on family in Canada even though you don’t have anyone there.

Rollyxxmv:
Hello Mr Frankrobbn1 and other gurus in the house.Forgive me if you're not mentioned.
I'm currently going gaga.

I applied first in Jan and got denied in Feb. Refusal Details being: "current employment situation and family ties in home country and in Canada"

Today i got denied for the second time and I'm sad and demoralised.

Reasons being:
travel history
Family ties in canada and home country
Current employment situation
Personal assests and status
Purpose of visit



Here's my profile:
I'm 23(24 by October) No tertiary education yet, i have an 8 year gap from end of secondary schl up till 2020.
I've been working since 2016 as an ict staff at an energy company, learning software dev. And volunteering at a local book club
SOA= 11,200usd + 13M =about 62KCaD or so, sponsor is mum, 2yr fees + living expenses= about 40KCAD and is way less than the total of what i presented so money shouldn't be an issue.
I gained adms at NBCC for a 2yr diploma in network administration for Fall 2020,
I had my sponsor write a letter too including my SOP , waec, family properties including a land Doc in my name, mum's last designation and salary increase.

I reapplied on 4th of march with all info above and added
Proof of family ties which include: Dad and mum's employment proof, my birth certificate and that of entire family,each member of family's local govt of origin cert
I also added proof of employment which include : Employment letter, confirmation letter, ID, Leave approval for duration of study from my employer and also indicated that i hv been denied bfr above.
Man y'all help me please
And also how do i get the gcsms notes

Wunaarroon69:
This one na work o.
Where and how can she find an experienced attorney? Plus the money involved and time. Is she not able to reapply and state on her LOE that it was an error because of so so reason. Anyway you know better I guess

I know two experienced immigration attorney Law Firms in Canada that she can use to fight the case with strong arguments and backed up evidence. They specialize in more difficult cases and they know what they are doing and can help.

It is true that the process would cost her approximately 4,000CAD. However, she is doing so because she knows her right and the visa officer that handled her last application will be queried by a senior immigration officer at the Canadian embassy. Due to this miserable mistake from the visa officer's part, IRCC lawyer will not like to go to court but to settle and let another immigration officer go through the application the second time. Believe me, it mostly ends as an approval.

Reapplying blindly and addressing the reasons in an LOE might not be sufficient in her case because there is likelihood that a fresh reasons could be raised or she might not be able to convince the visa officer about her rejection grounds.

@Faith243, Be careful to not wait too long. You only have a certain amount of time (60 days for applicants outside of Canada) to be eligible fight through this process.

It will end in praise

Alright.

If she has approximately 1.2m to fight the case, all the best to her.

Frankrobbn1:


I know two experienced immigration attorney Law Firms in Canada that she can use to fight the case with strong arguments and backed up evidence. They specialize in more difficult cases and they know what they are doing and can help.

It is true that the process would cost her approximately 4,000CAD. However, she is doing so because she knows her right and the visa officer that handled her last application will be queried by a senior immigration officer at the Canadian embassy. Due to this miserable mistake from the visa officer's part, IRCC lawyer will not like to go to court but to settle and let another immigration officer go through the application the second time. Believe me, it mostly ends as an approval.

Reapplying blindly and addressing the reasons in an LOE might not be sufficient in her case because there is likelihood that a fresh reasons could be raised or she might not be able to convince the visa officer about her rejection grounds.

@Faith243, Be careful to not wait too long. You only have a certain amount of time (60 days for applicants outside of Canada) to be eligible fight through this process.

It will end in praise

Frankrobbn1:


I know two experienced immigration attorney Law Firms in Canada that she can use to fight the case with strong arguments and backed up evidence. They specialize in more difficult cases and they know what they are doing and can help.

It is true that the process would cost her approximately 4,000CAD. However, she is doing so because she knows her right and the visa officer that handled her last application will be queried by a senior immigration officer at the Canadian embassy. Due to this miserable mistake from the visa officer's part, IRCC lawyer will not like to go to court but to settle and let another immigration officer go through the application the second time. Believe me, it mostly ends as an approval.

Reapplying blindly and addressing the reasons in an LOE might not be sufficient in her case because there is likelihood that a fresh reasons could be raised or she might not be able to convince the visa officer about her rejection grounds.

@Faith243, Be careful to not wait too long. You only have a certain amount of time (60 days for applicants outside of Canada) to be eligible fight through this process.

It will end in praise

If i should go with an attorney will that cover for the other reasons?

Wunaarroon69:
What of people that have been rejected based on travel history despite having many histories of visiting US/U.K. etc. Even people that have been rejected because of ties in Canada. I believe it’s a generic refusal. Involving immigration lawyer na long process. I was previously denied based on travel history even though I uploaded my previous visas and even current US visa. Also based on ties in Canada but I don’t even have a close friend there no talk more of family. I didn’t use any lawyer, but I got the permit after explaining facts in LOE and still uploading same documents. I’m not saying she shouldn’t get lawyer, I’m just saying it’s not very necessary. Not only Canada, other countries reject generically all the time.

almost 1.2m to use on top immigration lawyer that you’re not even 100% sure of winning the case? Me I won’t advise sha/

When you've cogent reasons and stand out FACTS, you can hire an immigration lawyer to handle the process on your behalf. Kenya Visa officers are intentionally rejecting applicants from Nigeria because they know that we are desperate and for the fact that we don't know our right. They know that no matter how they reject applicants from Nigeria with flimsy reasons, people will continue reapplying blindly without seeking for legal advice and support.

I know that Visa issuance is a privilege and not a right. However, when it comes to a situation as this, it is very pertinent that you must do your very best to see that your application is carefully reviewed the second time. The VO had wrongly alleged a false indictment on the applicant's application as the applicant in question has not contravened her immigration status in Canada and have never travelled out of her home country, which is a very strong ground to overturn the visa officer's decision.

According to the subsection 16(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act of Canada which states;

"16(1) A person who makes an application must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination and must produce a visa and all relevant evidence and documents that the officer reasonable requires"

The applicant meets this requirement and the privilege to review her application by another visa officer is highly recommended.

Bear in mind that your case is different from hers and according to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act of Canada, No two applications are the same, every applicant's case is unique and as such treated independently based on the visa officer's discretion.

I have rightfully expressed my concern regarding the miserable mistake from the visa officer on Faith's application. The onus is dependant upon her whether or not she will opt for a legal assistance or reapply by paying fresh application fees.



As always, it will end in praise

Faith243:


If i should go with an attorney will that cover for the other reasons?

Yes, the attorney will cover for the entire reasons that were raised by the visa officer in your application. For crying out loud, you're a fresh graduate, how does the visa officer expect you to have an Asset at this starting stage of your career?. How does the visa officer want you to raise funds for your personal financial status since you just completed your NYSC and being sponsored by your biological mother.

The visa officer went further to raise purpose of visit, does this sound logical on the visa officer's part? since your first degree was statistics and you're going for Msc Statistics. This is an academic progression but the visa officer overlooked it.

Family ties, you included your mom's landed properties to show you're among the beneficiaries of these assets and will be coming back for them. I am very certain that the Visa officer didn't go through your application entirety before making a decision on your file.


Now you can see reasons why I am of the opinion that with the help of an experienced immigration attorney you case can be won.


As always, it will end in praise

I think this statement is misleading.

Wunaarroon69:
That’s what I’m saying.

Y[b]our reason for apply for Msc is not clear because usually msc is for people that have work experience and want to learn more per say[/b]. Also not having a job shows you lack home ties which all boils down to “purpose of visit”. I wish I can see your sop because that’s where you made mistake. If you have explained your reasons well, they would have given you. The only one i don’t understand is this contravened the conditions of admission on a previous stay in canada. First time I am seeing such reason [/b]

Faith, I'm sorry this happened to you. The first reason is very strange to me considering that you have never been to Canada before. Is this your first application? Could you have been banned if this wasn't your first application? How did your brother receive is PR, was he a student. I think it would be absurd if they confuse you for your brother. The rejection reasons are generic and maybe the VO chooses the first reason by mistake.
We can only speculate here and you probably won't have your answers on the forum. I think your best bet is to request a GCMS note ASAP.

Faith243:
So sad i just received my rejection mail, reason for rejection
1 based on history of having contravened the conditions of admission on a previous stay in canada
2 family ties in Canada and in your country
3 based on purpose of visit
4 based on personal asset and financial status

Please the first reason can someone explain better

Wunaarroon69:
That’s what I’m saying.

Your reason for apply for Msc is not clear because usually msc is for people that have work experience and want to learn more per say. Also not having a job shows you lack home ties which all boils down to “purpose of visit”. I wish I can see your sop because that’s where you made mistake. If you have explained your reasons well, they would have given you. The only one i don’t understand is this contravened the conditions of admission on a previous stay in canada. First time I am seeing such reason [/b]

Fresh graduates are not expected to be gainfully employed as at the time of application. She completed her NYSC and since then she has been applying to schools in Canada to further her education. I don't think your standpoint on this trending issue is accurate because ever since my 4 years of experience on this reputable platform, I personally advise fresh graduates to declare NYSC as their current employment when filling their study visa application forms and what happens, they get approval and come here to share their success stories. I am not trying to show off, but I'm only trying to let you know that she been unemployed as at the time of application considering her NYSC was completed last year and with the COVID-19 global pandemic has no negative effect on her application.


It will end in praise

Please I don’t like unnecessary argument, it doesn’t add anything to my pocket. You in particular like to counter my posts so not going to start which is right or not argument. I’m not a guru and only said based on my little knowledge. Usually one should have substantial work experience or self employment or something to show why exactly you need a masters.
Mr Frank has advised her to pay $4,000CAD for immigration lawyer & continue from there.

End of story pls.

dommakavelli:
I think this statement is misleading.

Ok o no problem our oga, anything you say

Frankrobbn1:



Fresh graduates are not expected to be gainfully employed as at the time of application. She completed her NYSC and since then she has been applying to schools in Canada to further her education. I don't think your standpoint on this trending issue is accurate because ever since my 4 years of experience on this reputable platform, I personally advise fresh graduates to declare NYSC as their current employment when filling their study visa application forms and what happens, they get approval and come here share their success stories. I am not trying to show off, but I'm only trying to let you know that she been unemployed as at time of application since her NYSC was completed last year has no negative effect on her application.


It will end in praise

I agree. There is nothing wrong with going for Msc and submitting SOA. The money could be gifts from parents. It could be some of the money your parents put into your account, towards your study.

mcobex:
Sorry about the rejection. First, I will ask you to speak with your brother about the reasons given by CIC. Ask him if he did anything that might have jeopardize your chances, if he hasn't done anything wrong then I will advise you appeal your case(that's if you have the time and resources to go through it).
These vos are human and sometimes times make mistakes. First speak with your brother and hear what he has to say about it. Good luck
NB: There's nothing wrong in you going for MSc or submitting your own SOA as well(as long as you showed enough funds to cover your tuition and living expenses and your sponsor showed her source of income)

dehiero:
Please can someone help me with the format/template for the introduction letter from employer I don't think mine is well written.. Pls gurus in the house assist

Somebody please help me out I know you all are busy please

dommakavelli:
I agree. There is nothing wrong with going for Msc and submitting SOA. The money could be gifts from parents. It could be some of the money your parents put into your account, towards your study.

Thanks alot for the advice @dommakavelli, @frankrobbn1, @wunaarroon69, i will put all you have said into consideration.
It will end in praise

Wunaarroon69:
Do we actually know the meaning of masters?? It seems that using it as a means of immigration has slowly diverted the whole purpose of getting a masters.

But no problem our oga, anything you say

We Nigerians see master's as a big achievement. But in the western world the reverse is the case.

To some reasonable extent master degree graduates rarely find jobs measurable with their degree unlike Nigeria that Job advert requires you to have masters, in Canada its only in the educational sector that requires masters degree. Confirm from indeed.ca most of the advert requires diploma, certificate and atmost B.sc degree.

I can list 5 Nigerians in K-W area that graduated from masters programs that are not working with their result.

Please Nigerians pgc/d programs graduates are changing jobs because they have hand on skills from the colleges which employers are looking for not degrees.

Cc:Jephehe

At the bolded, your opinion is always welcomed on this thread and I greatly appreciate your kind assistance and immense contributions on this platform.

As always, it will end in praise

My friend,
No one is trying to argue with you or insult you. It is okay for people to disagree. I don't know you from Adam, so why would I attack you?
I might have disagreed with you on the thread in the past, but I don't even remember you. Anyways, sorry if disagreeing with you made you feel attacked.

Wunaarroon69:
Please I don’t like unnecessary argument, it doesn’t add anything to my pocket. You in particular like to counter my posts so not going to start which is right or not argument. I’m not a guru and only said based on my little knowledge. Usually one should have substantial work experience or self employment or something to show why exactly you need a masters.
Mr Frank has advised her to pay $4,000CAD for immigration lawyer & continue from there.

End of story pls.