MrBrownJay1:


again, as i have said earlier, we should be honest to one another... 99.999% would not go to church (let alone pay tithes to fraudsters in robe) if they knew that their wishes for a better life/health/finances will not come through.



how did you actually know they were not fake pastors?



but during that same "jesus time" wouldnt crippled people be healed? wouldnt dead men resuscitated? wouldnt water turned to wine?!



of course, innocent xtians are savagely murdered/raped/abused/starved/suffering etc while your bible clearly states that:
2 Thessalonians 3:3
But the Lord is faithful, and he will strengthen you and protect you from the evil one.

Deuteronomy 31:6
Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the Lord your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you.”

Psalm 34:19
The righteous person may have many troubles, but the Lord delivers him from them all;

Faithful4real:


Those laws were the old laws. That was why Jesus died for us to deliver us from those laws.

That is why Jesus told the pharisees that he came to save sinners.

Galatians 3:13
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law , having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree” ),

Mbataku96:

Your post has made me come to this understanding, that atheists have capitalized on this Corona outbreak to discredit the existence of God. Shame! Shame!! Shame!!!

MrBrownJay1:
they all read the same bible but all have a different definition of its message: CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT, JEHOVAH WITNESS, MORMON, ANGLICAN, METHODIST;PENTECOSTAL, ADVENTIST, BAPTIST, PRESBYTERIAN, LUTHERAN

here is a simple question for you: which one of all these above is the true message (since they all have a different message) and why?! Mormons use the same bible to sleep with children in all impunity! ***spit on floor***

MrBrownJay1:


yet that same jesus clearly stated the below (i guess you must read your bible upside down):

Luke 16:17
It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law.

Matthew 5:18-19
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Faithful4real:


Jesus redeemed us from the curse of the law

He redeemed us from those laws.

Like for example in a church if it was the old law nobody will have to mind to climb the alter except the chief priest. Even the chief priest have to purify himself. But when Jesus died he redeem us from those laws. That is why anybody can climb that alter and not face judgment.

LordReed:


He he he, Mbataku96 is not asking questions, they came to bait atheists and some how prove their god is real. A poor tactic really.

MrBrownJay1:


is that really what you understand from these above verses?! well if you do then xtians can now sin in peace, abi?! fornicate, steal, cheat, lie etc since jesus redeemed you from these laws, right?! or better yet, do you now selfishly decide what law of the bible you can follow or not, so long as it fits your agenda?

Faithful4real:
No that was not what i said. if a Christian commit sin he will face the consequences in the external life.

Take for example you committ adultery,in the old testament you are supposed to be stoned to death. But because christ has redeemed us from the curse of those laws they cannot stone you to death. But that don't mean you will make heaven.

MrBrownJay1:


covid-19 is what should get you common sense in 2020.... now here is a simple question i asked you earlier that you cunningly try to dodge:

IamMichael:

Well, they are always the ones that run away in the end when they have nothing else to say in the end.

Mbataku96:
All this are denominations, the Gospel is a mountain, denominations are proof of its deferent views.

MrBrownJay1:


so if one says that having multiple wives is wrong while others say it aint (while reading the exact same bible)....who should these people believe as the right MESSENGER?!?

Mbataku96:

God has multiple Dimensions, He operates in deferent ways in deferent times for deferent goals, all the denominations were not created in one day, but in deferent era's for deferent reasons.

odinson1:

you speak as though you And God KNOW each other

Mbataku96:

God has multiple Dimensions, He operates in deferent ways in deferent times for deferent goals, all the denominations were not created in one day, but in deferent era's for deferent reasons.

MrBrownJay1:


multiple dimensions?!?!?!?! BWAAAAAH!!!!!!!
are you saying that your god will say that a certain act is a sin with catholics etc but then accept the same act as perfectly normal with mormons?!?!?!
so what you do in your life does not depend on the words of that said holybook, but how any criminal decides to interpret and twist these same words?!?!?

Mbataku96:

Good point you have there. my God is no respecter of persons, there is no exclusion with sin, sin is sin
And it's true that there are people who twist the holyword, the Bible recognize them as nicolaitans or heretics, rev 2:6 rev 2:14-16

MrBrownJay1:


so the question remains:

how do you know who is having the real message between all the different criminal tribes reading the bible, while having different messages ( aka CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT, JEHOVAH WITNESS, MORMON, ANGLICAN, METHODIST, PENTECOSTAL, ADVENTIST, BAPTIST, PRESBYTERIAN, LUTHERAN etc) ?

Mbataku96:
well aside from Catholic, Mormon and Jehovah witness that are highly mislaid.
The rest have a decent level of understand of who and what God stands for.
Pentecostals on the other hand, have made more exploits with person of the holy Spirit.

MrBrownJay1:


misled, while they are reading the same words of that said holybook?! how many others are misled that we dont know of?
isnt the pope the capo/mob boss of that mafia called Religion?!?

isnt it obvious that something is really wrong when everyone can decide what the message is, especially when your holybook clearly states that any priest/preacher should be celibate, and the majority of priests/preachers are Hot bastards (some even raping children "upandan"?!

Mbataku96:
You must understand that Christianity is not a religion and don't forget even the Bible makes us understand that the end of the age will bring about alot of farse prophets.

Mbataku96:

Am still here ooo

MrBrownJay1:


dont you think that the end of christianity was centuries ago and that now its only filled with false prophets using christianity for their own selfish agenda?

Mbataku96:
At least you admit genuineness of Christianity.

MrBrownJay1:


i am just confirming that many of the rules and regulations of christianity have not been followed for a long time... and that it seem that there are only charlatans and fraudsters in robe around lately.

Mbataku96:
Like I said, the Bible states that many shall deceive and shall be deceived.

MrBrownJay1:


it also states that:

Matthew 18:8-9
If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

... wonder how many times you followed the above "new testament" verse.

Mbataku96:
The Bible scriptures is an encrypted message, carnal men can't decrypt parading as pastors are misusing to enrich themselves with Bentleys and private jets.

Mbataku96:

Yeah bro, like I said am a genuine Christian.

odinson1:


hmmmm interesting
so you mean you've seen and spoken to God before? and he actually answered you,asin you heard clearly with your ears?