advocatejare:


Mohammed never compiled the Quran before he died and that was why Zayd initially declined compiling the Quran until he was persuaded.

After the compilation they burnt other manuscripts of the Quran which was against what Mohammed said, Mohammed said the Quran was revealed to him in 7 different dialects but after Uthman and Zayd were done with their fabrications they burnt all the other Quranic manuscripts including the other dialects of revelation.

The instructions to burn the other manuscripts was never given by Muhammad before he died nor by Allah, Zayd and Uthman only acted on their own accounts, and they burnt the evidence to cover up their fabrications and gave the Muslim world the revised edition of the Quran.

But the Shia were angry because they knew the Quran had been corrupted.

The Muslims continue to read Uthmanic codex of the Quran until 934 AD when ibn Mujahid read that Muhammad actually said he received the Quran in 7 different dialects but since Uthman and Zayd had burnt the other dialects up, Ibn Mujahid then created his own 7 dialects of the Quran which are Nafi; Ibn Kathir; Ibn 'Amir; Abu Amr; Asim, Hafs; Hamzah; al-Kisai.

In 1924 in Cairo Egypt, The Hafs manuscript was edited into the Quran you have today.

Hence today's Quran is not the same as the one Mohammed received, it's not the same as the one Uthman and Zayd fabricated, it's a different one entirely. Go and learn my friend

I ask you for evidence you didn't provide. you made up this lies yourself . At least give me a reference and stop beating about the bush.

advocatejare:


Be deceiving yourself, I was a Muslim for more than 30 years, I know much and very much about Islam

It is not how far but how well. Infact you can be Muslim for 100years without knowing anything about Islam. Satan knows God very well but he still went against God the almighty. Pls let's be sincere with whatever we do because there is judgement day. Don't quote the quran or Hadith out of context to suit your desire. Enough of the lies please.

olaalekan:

It is not how far but how well. Infact you can be Muslim for 100years without knowing anything about Islam. [b]Satan knows God very well but he still went against God the almighty.[/b]Pls let's be sincere with whatever we do because there is judgement day. Don't quote the quran or Hadith out of context to suit your desire. Enough of the lies please.

According to your Quran, Satan did nothing wrong, he only refused to bow down for any creature except God.

If Islam can be teaching you not to bow down to greet your parents, how much more Satan bowing down for Adam?

olaalekan:

I ask you for evidence you didn't provide. you made up this lies yourself . At least give me a reference and stop beating about the bush.

So you didn't see where it was stated in that Hadiths that all the other manuscripts were burnt after Zaid had finished standardizing the Quran?

And fiiiiiiammm, 300 years later a man called Mujahid came and gave you 7 Qirats from nowhere.


Go and read history.


Go on Google and search for "Ibn Mujahid"

advocatejare:

So you didn't see where it was stated in that Hadiths that all the other manuscripts were burnt after Zaid had finished standardizing the Quran?

And fiiiiiiammm, 300 years later a man called Mujahid came and gave you 7 Qirats from nowhere.


Go and read history.


Go on Google and search for "Ibn Mujahid"

So I should go and Google? In fact you disappointed me. I taught you are intelligent and make research very well. Google where all sort of lies and rubbish are posted. Bring references written by so and so.

advocatejare:

According to your Quran, Satan did nothing wrong, he only refused to bow down for any creature except God.

If Islam can be teaching you not to bow down to greet your parents, how much more Satan bowing down for Adam?

Satan is not wrong abi? Keep it up. I can now see how your hatred for the religion of God(Islam) has made you to become a fan of satan. It is God that commanded satan to bow down for adam in order to worship God through him. And sorry it is not in the quran. If it there is as you claimed pls bring the chapter of the Quran. And I am waiting.
The second commandment reads: “You shall not bow down to [images] or serve them, for I, Yahweh, am a jealous God” (Deut 5:9). When Cornelius bowed down to Peter, Peter told him to stand up on the basis of the fact that Peter himself was merely human (Acts 10:25–26). A number of angels also appear in the book of Revelation, requesting that the Apostle John abstain from bowing down to them (Rev 19:10; 22:8–9).

olaalekan:

So I should go and Google? In fact you disappointed me. I taught you are intelligent and make research very well. Google where all sort of lies and rubbish are posted. Bring references written by so and so.

You should bring evidence that Mujahid didn't write the current Quran you're reading
FYI I said google, google will bring you different information, you can sieve them and take the one that is genuine.
You don't expect me to spoon feed you, help yourself

“The best way to hide something from Black people is to put it in a book.”

olaalekan:

It is God that commanded satan to bow down for adam in order to worship God through him. And sorry it is not in the quran. If it there is as you claimed pls bring the chapter of the Quran. And I am waiting.

You've just succeeded in displaying your ignorance for the whole world to see.

Why won't you make this kind of empty boast if not for fact that rather than read to understand your Quran, you only cram?

وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلٰٓئِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِأَادَمَ فَسَجَدُوٓا إِلَّآ إِبْلِيسَ أَبٰى وَاسْتَكْبَرَ وَكَانَ مِنَ الْكٰفِرِينَ
"And when We said to the angels, Prostrate before Adam; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 34)

The second commandment reads: “You shall not bow down to [images] or serve them, for I, Yahweh, am a jealous God” (Deut 5:9). When Cornelius bowed down to Peter, Peter told him to stand up on the basis of the fact that Peter himself was merely human (Acts 10:25–26). A number of angels also appear in the book of Revelation, requesting that the Apostle John abstain from bowing down to them (Rev 19:10; 22:8–9).

But Allah said Satan was arrogant for obeying the commandment not to bow down for anybody or anything.

Such command to Satan is not in the Bible and the Quran has said in Surah 10:94 that we should ask the people of the book if we're in doubt about what is in the Quran. Since the assertion that God commanded Satan to bow down to Adam is not the Bible, that means the authors of the Quran confabulated. It was mere fables, legends of the former people, Arabian fables that Muhammad plagiarized. Even those present when Mohammed was doling out his so called revelations knew they were fables

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ مَّاذَآ أَنْزَلَ رَبُّكُمْ  ۙ قَالُوٓا أَسٰطِيرُ الْأَوَّلِينَ
"And when it is said to them, What has your Lord sent down? They say, Legends of the former peoples,"
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 24)

advocatejare:

You've just succeeded in displaying your ignorance for the whole world to see.

Why won't you make this kind of empty boast if not for fact that rather than read to understand your Quran, you only cram?

وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلٰٓئِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِأَادَمَ فَسَجَدُوٓا إِلَّآ إِبْلِيسَ أَبٰى وَاسْتَكْبَرَ وَكَانَ مِنَ الْكٰفِرِينَ
"And when We said to the angels, Prostrate before Adam; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 34)



But Allah said Satan was arrogant for obeying the commandment not to bow down for anybody or anything.

Such command to Satan is not in the Bible and the Quran has said in Surah 10:94 that we should ask the people of the book if we're in doubt about what is in the Quran. Since the assertion that God commanded Satan to bow down to Adam is not the Bible, that means the authors of the Quran confabulated. It was mere fables, legends of the former people, Arabian fables that Muhammad plagiarized. Even those present when Mohammed was doling out his so called revelations knew they were fables

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ مَّاذَآ أَنْزَلَ رَبُّكُمْ  ۙ قَالُوٓا أَسٰطِيرُ الْأَوَّلِينَ
"And when it is said to them, What has your Lord sent down? They say, Legends of the former peoples,"
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 24)

I have just ask you a question you are jumping from post to post. Where is it in the Quran that Muslim should not bow to their parent. This is what you said "According to your Quran, Satan did nothing wrong, he only refused to bow down for any creature except God.

If Islam can be teaching you not to bow down to greet your parents, how much more Satan bowing down for Adam?" Stop claiming you know when you know not. You are fond of distracting from the main topic.

advocatejare:

You should bring evidence that Mujahid didn't write the current Quran you're reading
FYI I said google, google will bring you different information, you can sieve them and take the one that is genuine.
You don't expect me to spoon feed you, help yourself

“The best way to hide something from Black people is to put it in a book.”

You see this is your problem. You are the one that made a claim. So you expect us to do your home work for you. Lazy student haha!!! If truely you are concern about peoples salvation as you proclaimed you will do everything possible to convince them. So go back and do your homework properly before coming out to the public. Still waiting for answer.

advocatejare:

You've just succeeded in displaying your ignorance for the whole world to see.

Why won't you make this kind of empty boast if not for fact that rather than read to understand your Quran, you only cram?

وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلٰٓئِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِأَادَمَ فَسَجَدُوٓا إِلَّآ إِبْلِيسَ أَبٰى وَاسْتَكْبَرَ وَكَانَ مِنَ الْكٰفِرِينَ
"And when We said to the angels, Prostrate before Adam; so they prostrated, except for Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 34)



But Allah said Satan was arrogant for obeying the commandment not to bow down for anybody or anything.

Such command to Satan is not in the Bible and the Quran has said in Surah 10:94 that we should ask the people of the book if we're in doubt about what is in the Quran. Since the assertion that God commanded Satan to bow down to Adam is not the Bible, that means the authors of the Quran confabulated. It was mere fables, legends of the former people, Arabian fables that Muhammad plagiarized. Even those present when Mohammed was doling out his so called revelations knew they were fables

وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ مَّاذَآ أَنْزَلَ رَبُّكُمْ  ۙ قَالُوٓا أَسٰطِيرُ الْأَوَّلِينَ
"And when it is said to them, What has your Lord sent down? They say, Legends of the former peoples,"
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 24)

And again those verses of the Quran you quoted are not complete. Pls qoute them from beginning to the end especially the last one. You guys are fond of quoting the Qur'an halfway just to back up your false claims.

olaalekan:


If Islam can be teaching you not to bow down to greet your parents, how much more Satan bowing down for Adam?" Stop claiming you know when you know not. You are fond of distracting from the main topic.

shame made you to shift the goal post. Wehdone

When did Islam became synonymous with the Quran.

Your fellow Muslims have told us that your Prophet said you should not bow down for anybody and that's why they can't bow down for their parents


"The Messenger of Allah (Salla llaahu ‘alayhi wasallam) also forbids bowing or bending in greeting as we can see in this hadith:
Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) says that a man asked the Prophet (Salla llaahu ‘alayhi wasallam):
“O Messenger of Allah (Salla llaahu ‘alayhi wasallam)! When any one of us meets a Muslim brother or a friend then should he bow
his head (as a sign of courtesy to him)?’ He said: ‘No.’ The man said: ‘Should he embrace him?’ He said: ‘No.’ The man then asked:
‘Should he clasp his hands?’ He said: ‘Yes.” (Tirmithi).
It was also authentically reported that Abu Hurayrah (radiyallaahu ‘anhu) narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If I
were to order anyone to prostrate to a human, I would have ordered the wife to prostrate to her husband, for the magnitude of the
rights he has on her. (Irwaahul ghaleel of Sheikh al-Albaanee, 7/54-55). The Prophet even forbids the women to do it for their
husbands because it can only be done for Allaah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aalaa) alone."
https://www.nairaland.com/3913379/greeting-islam-evils-prostration-greeting

olaalekan:

And again those verses of the Quran you quoted are not complete. Pls qoute them from beginning to the end especially the last one. You guys are fond of quoting the Qur'an halfway just to back up your false claims.

See someone talking as if the Quran is chronologically arranged. Can anyone make sense of the Quran with the way it is arranged?

[quote author=advocatejare post=89471902]shame made you to shift the goal post. Wehdone [/quote
In fact that is what you have just done. I know you will resort to this. What a shame. We are my answers jare.

advocatejare:
See someone talking as if the Quran is chronologically arranged. Can anyone make sense of the Quran with the way it is arranged?

You see your life. Every wise person would make sense of the Quran. Those who God Almighty have shown the light, way and wisdom and has opened their heart to the truth. Know the truth, for it shall set you free. Again Oga our answer pls

olaalekan:

You see your life. Every wise person would make sense of the Quran. Those who God Almighty have shown the light, way and wisdom and has opened their heart to the truth. Know the truth, for it shall set you free. Again Oga our answer pls

Oya tell us the meaning of these

Kaf Ha Yan 'Ayn Sad (Quran 19:1)

Ta Ha (Quran 20:1)

Ta Seen Meem (Quran 26:1)

Ta Seen (Quran 27:1)

advocatejare:
See someone talking as if the Quran is chronologically arranged. Can anyone make sense of the Quran with the way it is arranged?

in fact that is what you have just done. I know you will resort to this. What a shame. We are my answers jare.

olaalekan:
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When did Islam became synonymous with the Quran.

Your fellow Muslims have told us that your Prophet said you should not bow down for anybody and that's why they can't bow down for their parents


"The Messenger of Allah (Salla llaahu ‘alayhi wasallam) also forbids bowing or bending in greeting as we can see in this hadith:
Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) says that a man asked the Prophet (Salla llaahu ‘alayhi wasallam):
“O Messenger of Allah (Salla llaahu ‘alayhi wasallam)! When any one of us meets a Muslim brother or a friend then should he bow
his head (as a sign of courtesy to him)?’ He said: ‘No.’ The man said: ‘Should he embrace him?’ He said: ‘No.’ The man then asked:
‘Should he clasp his hands?’ He said: ‘Yes.” (Tirmithi).
It was also authentically reported that Abu Hurayrah (radiyallaahu ‘anhu) narrated that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If I
were to order anyone to prostrate to a human, I would have ordered the wife to prostrate to her husband, for the magnitude of the
rights he has on her. (Irwaahul ghaleel of Sheikh al-Albaanee, 7/54-55). The Prophet even forbids the women to do it for their
husbands because it can only be done for Allaah (Subhaanahu wa ta’aalaa) alone."
https://www.nairaland.com/3913379/greeting-islam-evils-prostration-greeting


And another one from your Muslim brothers

https://www.nairaland.com/276765/prostration-mode-greeting-islam-why

advocatejare:

Oya tell us the meaning of these

Kaf Ha Yan 'Ayn Sad (Quran 19:1)

Ta Ha (Quran 20:1)

Ta Seen Meem (Quran 26:1)

Ta Seen (Quran 27:1)

can you pls complete those last verses which you quoted (quran10:94) and (quran16:24) as I requested. perhaps you will see the light in those verses. God willing you will appreciate my answer to your questions.

olaalekan:


can you pls complete those last verses which you quoted (quran10:94) and (quran16:24) as I requested. perhaps you will see the light in those verses. God willing you will appreciate my answer to your questions.

What is the meaning of these verses

Kaf Ha Yan 'Ayn Sad (Quran 19:1)

Ta Ha (Quran 20:1)

Ta Seen Meem (Quran 26:1)

Ta Seen (Quran 27:1)


In your words you said

Every wise person would make sense of the Quran.

If you're a wise person tell us what those words meaan

advocatejare:


What is the meaning of these verses

Kaf Ha Yan 'Ayn Sad (Quran 19:1)

Ta Ha (Quran 20:1)

Ta Seen Meem (Quran 26:1)

Ta Seen (Quran 27:1)


In your words you said



If you're a wise person tell us what those words meaan

you quoted those verses halfway to backup your false claim as usual first. whats the big deal if you are truthful enough. henhen you are covering up your lies abi? You started this no be so? So end up what you have started. what a shame.

Still waiting for my answers

olaalekan:

you quoted those verses halfway to backup your false claim as usual first. whats the big deal if you are truthful enough. henhen you are covering up your lies abi? You started this no be so? So end up what you have started. what a shame.

Still waiting for my answers

For not knowing the meaning, you've proven to everyone who you are



كٓهيعٓصٓ
"Kaf, Ha, Ya, 'Ayn, Sad."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 1)




طسٓمٓ
"Ta, Seen, Meem."
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 1)





طسٓ  ۚ تِلْكَ ءَايٰتُ الْقُرْءَانِ وَكِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ
"Ta, Seen. These are the verses of the Qur'an and a clear Book"
(QS. An-Naml 27: Verse 1)



Redeem yourself, tell us what those words means, prove that you're wise

[quote author=advocatejare post=89489762]
For not knowing the meaning, you've proven to everyone who you are



كٓهيعٓصٓ
"Kaf, Ha, Ya, 'Ayn, Sad."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 1)




طسٓمٓ
"Ta, Seen, Meem."
(QS. Ash-Shu'araa 26: Verse 1)





طسٓ  ۚ تِلْكَ ءَايٰتُ الْقُرْءَانِ وَكِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ
"Ta, Seen. These are the verses of the Qur'an and a clear Book"
(QS. An-Naml 27: Verse 1)



Redeem yourself, tell us what those words means, prove that you're wise

[/quote
I am still asking can you pls complete those last verses which you quoted (quran10:94) and (quran16:24) is there anything to hide?