Ravioli:
McTominay In The Premier League This Season

so they still managed to squeeze in this British Quinton Fortune

elrony:


I never talk anything you don begin flip burgers

"Scott is a central midfielder" ; are you disputing it?

Our average midfield 3, this season is Fred, Scott and Perreira.

So we have playing without DM??

Bros, Matic and Scot are the DM we have............. and they mostly start together against big clubs.

Leyqute:
This.

Henderson's best career output at 30 and the stench of mediocrity is strong.

I prophesy to anyone seeing this post this day; may you never wear the "average" tag in your chosen career.

Expert17:


Our average midfield 3, this season is Fred, Scott and Perreira.

So we have playing without DM??

Bros, Matic and Scot are the DM we have............. and they mostly start together against big clubs.

When Matic & McTominay play together.. Matic is the DM and McTominay is the CM.

Now, when Fred & McTominay play together.. Fred plays deeper then McTominay. That's DM. Sometimes they interchange cos non of them is a natural Dm, they're just makeshift. If you like you argue

elrony:


I never talk anything you don begin flip burgers

"Scott is a central midfielder" ; are you disputing it?

Ravioli:


When Matic & McTominay play together.. Matic is the DM and McTominay is the CM.

Now, when Fred & McTominay play together.. Fred plays deeper then McTominay. That's DM. Sometimes they interchange cos non of them is a natural Dm, they're just makeshift. If you like you argue

Matic and Scott mostly play together against big clubs, simply for protection.

When Pogba and Mctominay play together....... i guess Pogba is the DM.

You are also calling Fred a DM

You guys are confused because Scott got the energy and pace to move with the attack and also recover.

For scotland, he is also the DM, playing behind Mc Ginn and Mc Gregor

Expert17:





Matic and Scott mostly play together against big clubs, simply for protection.

When Pogba and Mctominay play together....... i guess Pogba is the DM.

You are also calling Fred a DM

You guys are confused because Scott got the energy and pace to move with the attack and also recover.

For scotland, he is also the DM, playing behind Mc Ginn and Mc Gregor

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Ravioli:

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Wicked you

codedguy1:


Wicked you

I noh get that guy time, ahbeg.

He skipped where I mentioned that Fred and McTominay ain't DMs. Just makeshift. McTominay on his own is just a Box2Box midfielder. When Matic was injured he deputised/replaced him there. Same happen when McTominay was injured Fred played DM for us sometimes. He tried but ain't an expert like Ndidi, Partey and rest.

When you watch only EPL, how will you know football.....

--- Mc tominay plays DM for country, alongside Mc Guinn of Aston villa.

How many times have you seen a midfield 2 of Fred and Pogba? compare to Mc tominay and Pogba, Matic and Pogba, Fred and Matic/Scott.

Ravioli:


I noh get that guy time, ahbeg.

He skipped where I mentioned that Fred and McTominay ain't DMs. Just makeshift. McTominay on his own is just a Box2Box midfielder. When Matic was injured he deputised/replaced him there. Same happen when McTominay was injured Fred played DM for us sometimes. He tried but ain't an expert like Ndidi, Partey and rest.

The guy just understood what you wrote to suit his own narrative.

You no see as elrony talk say Mctominay na CM him automatically assume say elrony meant Fred is a DM. Hence the Fred quesion

codedguy1:


The guy just understood what you wrote to suit his own narrative.

You no see as elrony talk say Mctominay na CM him automatically assume say elrony meant Fred is a DM. Hence the Fred quesion

Yeah.. Amala things.. Lol

ChristineC:
Henderson's best career output at 30 and the stench of mediocrity is strong.

I prophesy to anyone seeing this post this day; may you never wear the "average" tag in your chosen career.

Amen!

eph12:
I don't see Fred or Tom as dm. And to compare midfielders, you have to look at their overall stats, not just a part

I thought I posted the offensive stats as well. Didn't know why it didn't load.

Ravioli:


When Matic & McTominay play together.. Matic is the DM and McTominay is the CM.

Now, when Fred & McTominay play together.. Fred plays deeper then McTominay. That's DM. Sometimes they interchange cos non of them is a natural Dm, they're just makeshift. If you like you argue

I don't think I've seem McTom play DM this season. You hardly see him receiving the ball from defenders and building play. It has mostly been Fred and Matic.

Fred don try gan this season o. I think he covers more ground that his team mates every match day.

Ravioli:

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LMAO

codedguy1:


The guy just understood what you wrote to suit his own narrative.

You no see as elrony talk say Mctominay na CM him automatically assume say elrony meant Fred is a DM. Hence the Fred quesion

You no even see as talk quickly shift from Man U to Scotland? This guy no dey turn amala, na drive e dey drive am

Ravioli:


I noh get that guy time, ahbeg.

He skipped where I mentioned that Fred and McTominay ain't DMs. Just makeshift. McTominay on his own is just a Box2Box midfielder. When Matic was injured he deputised/replaced him there. Same happen when McTominay was injured Fred played DM for us sometimes. He tried but ain't an expert like Ndidi, Partey and rest.

I don't even think McTom can be a proper worldclass DM. Most likely a B2B midfielder.

Fred is a DM...

And you can hardly see Fred and Pogba in a midfield 2.............. I guess Fred played DM at Shaktar ( Won the league best player as a CM) and Brazil national team.

Mctonimay is a CM at Man utd but DM at Scotland national team due to better Scottish CM

Fred (DM) had a better attacking/Team play than Mc tominay (CM)

Expert17:
Fred is a DM...

And you can hardly see Fred and Pogba in a midfield 2.............. I guess Fred played DM at Shaktar ( Won the league best player as a CM) and Brazil national team.

Mctonimay is a CM at Man utd but DM at Scotland national team due to better Scottish CM

Fred (DM) had a better attacking/Team play than Mc tominay (CM)

A DM will have more passes than the CM in a team that builds from the back. He receives the ball from the defenders and distributes the ball. So he is expected to make more passes.

Leyqute:


A DM will have more passes than the CM in a team that builds from the back. He receives the ball from the defenders and distributes the ball. So he is expected to make more passes.

I agree. Fred is DM.

Expert17:


I agree. Fred is DM.

Good for you.

Leyqute:


I don't think I've seem McTom play DM this season. You hardly see him receiving the ball from defenders and building play. It has mostly been Fred and Matic.

Fred don try gan this season o. I think he covers more ground that his team mates every match day.

He has Sha but Fred has played the DM role more than him and faired better.. He's only better than Fred offensively cos he moves higher than Fred while Fred covers the pitch more than.. Ahbeg Fred played really well for us this season. If continues like this and then polishes his other aspect of his game, I'll be darn happy.

Leyqute:


I don't even think McTom can be a proper worldclass DM. Most likely a B2B midfielder.

Brov, McTominay is a B2B midfielder, I mentioned that already. Fred is a better DM to McTominay.. He fairs better as B2B not as a DM. He misplaces passes often.

Leyqute:


A DM will have more passes than the CM in a team that builds from the back. He receives the ball from the defenders and distributes the ball. So he is expected to make more passes.

Free that guy ahbeg

Top striker.

Herd mentality and the need to want to prove a non existent point is very much prevalent around these streets. Lol

I dnt take them serious anymore.

Fred won player of the season in Ukraine playing as CM/B2B, Stepaneko was the DM at Shakter,

Mc tominay is the DM for Scotland,

When Pogba and Fernandes are in the same line up, lets see who get to start between Fred and Mc tominay.

Leyqute:


A DM will have more passes than the CM in a team that builds from the back. He receives the ball from the defenders and distributes the ball. So he is expected to make more passes.

Hope You know Kroos always have more pass than Casemiro
Henderson>>>Fabinho

It's only a possession based team that their DM normally have more passes than CM
Guardiola's City, Sarri's Chelsea, Barcelona, PSG

Ravioli:


When Matic & McTominay play together.. Matic is the DM and McTominay is the CM.

Now, when Fred & McTominay play together.. Fred plays deeper then McTominay. That's DM. Sometimes they interchange cos non of them is a natural Dm, they're just makeshift. If you like you argue

After investigating the lineups and heat maps as well as reviewing archival footage. My judgement is that this is the most accurate assessment of the situation.

We play a double pivot of 4-2-3-1 which makes determining who is DM very difficult.

Matic and anybody = Matic is DM and the other person is CM

Pogba and anybody = Pogba is CM and the other person is DM

Fred and McTominay = Pure double pivot essentially with Fred covering the left and McTominay covering the right. However in more than half of the games together heat map shows Fred more active in slightly more defensive positions while McTominay more active in slightly more offensive positions.
In many of the games it is just too difficult to tell. In double pivot you usually have 2 CDMs and not the obvious division of labour you might see in a 4-3-3 with DM, CM, AM.

This is why the same whoscored that said McTominay played DM 19 times and CM 3 times also says Fred played DM 21 and CM 6 times, and Pogba played DM 8 times and 2 sub appearances with 0 appearance as CM.
Essentially saying all of them played mainly DM this season and CM very few times.

Mctominay DM style is similar to Casemiro, always bursting forward to join attack and recovering afterwards, ..

Fred played CM for shakter, also pairing Casemiro In the midfield, when playing for Brazil(2015).

afrodoc2:


After investigating the lineups and heat maps as well as reviewing archival footage. My judgement is that this is the most accurate assessment of the situation.

We play a double pivot of 4-2-3-1 which makes determining who is DM very difficult.

Matic and anybody = Matic is DM and the other person is CM

Pogba and anybody = Pogba is CM and the other person is DM

Fred and McTominay = Pure double pivot essentially with Fred covering the left and McTominay covering the right. However in more than half of the games together heat map shows Fred more active in slightly more defensive positions while McTominay more active in slightly more offensive positions.
In many of the games it is just too difficult to tell. In double pivot you usually have 2 CDMs and not the obvious division of labour you might see in a 4-3-3 with DM, CM, AM.

This is why the same whoscored that said McTominay played DM 19 times and CM 3 times also says Fred played DM 21 and CM 6 times, and Pogba played DM 8 times and 2 sub appearances with 0 appearance as CM.
Essentially saying all of them played mainly DM this season and CM very few times.

Exactly! Maybe Tom is meant to be a DM, but for United, we don't have a traditional DM unless Matic plays as he does not have the energy to take advanced positions during play and still fall back. From watching our matches, I already know that when both Fred and Tom plays, one takes the left side of the midfield and the other the right side. Both take turns to cover the center too when needed. That's why I don't see them as a Dm especially when you look at how Carrick and co play DM back then.

Nowadays sef I feel position on the field is scam. I believe people should pay attention to roles more. Your position may say DM but during the match your role is not exactly that. Just look at them saying Pogba played DM

afrodoc2:


After investigating the lineups and heat maps as well as reviewing archival footage. My judgement is that this is the most accurate assessment of the situation.

We play a double pivot of 4-2-3-1 which makes determining who is DM very difficult.

Matic and anybody = Matic is DM and the other person is CM

Pogba and anybody = Pogba is CM and the other person is DM

Fred and McTominay = Pure double pivot essentially with Fred covering the left and McTominay covering the right. However in more than half of the games together heat map shows Fred more active in slightly more defensive positions while McTominay more active in slightly more offensive positions.
In many of the games it is just too difficult to tell. In double pivot you usually have 2 CDMs and not the obvious division of labour you might see in a 4-3-3 with DM, CM, AM.

This is why the same whoscored that said McTominay played DM 19 times and CM 3 times also says Fred played DM 21 and CM 6 times, and Pogba played DM 8 times and 2 sub appearances with 0 appearance as CM.
Essentially saying all of them played mainly DM this season and CM very few times.

Thanks