Lol.. Una no dey tire for this religion matter

gensteejay:

Apart form petrodollar, hope you know that Saudi realizes billions of dollars every year through mumus that keep visiting the country for religious tourism.

If many of our ancestors in this part of the world were clever, cunning, and pugnacious like the warmongers and expansionists that designed Islam, they would have also imported Olohun to the nooks and crannies of the world as the Supreme God.

And revenues from mumus that do pilgrimage every year to Nigeria to worship our local deities like Osun, Yemoja, Olohun, Chineke as God will be humongous and help spur the country to development.

But African traditional worshippers don't realize that no religion can grow without things like violence (blood shed) and distortion of historical facts, vices their counterparts in Christianity and Islam had long mastered.

Generally, many religious people can't see the danger of wallowing in worshipping the gods/goddesses.

Religion unites people? When a father can even kill or starve his own child for having the guts to challenge religious beliefs or think independently.

Well, this sort of discussion isn't even worth having anyways when most don't even realize that they're slaves and that they've been scammed, indoctrinated from childhood to believe lies.

Smart people, on reaching adulthood, would critique all those dubious religious beliefs they've been fed with from childhood and subject them to scrutiny and test of logic.

Religion (mental slavery) will always limit a person's brain development and will always limit a nation's progress.

In 2023 general elections, religion will yet again be one of the key factors that will determine the people that will be chosen to lead the country in various capacities.

So, those that can see and think deeply know the Nigerian situation is really a hopeless one. The rot is too deep.

That's why those that are financially capable are doing everything possible to leave the sinking ship or keeping one foot here and the other in a developed country.

By 2023, a number of regulars here will have left the country, and the brain drain will keep on taking place. But most religious people believe praying for a better Nigeria is the way forward.

You come across as someone who never takes responsibility, but would rather play the blame game. While you've concluded on things that will happen in 2023, people that don't make excuses and love responsibilities are working on things they intend to achieve in 2023 already.

You've been here screaming critical thinking, insulting Nigerians and blaming religious people and religion for all your troubles in life. But you don't belong to a party! You don't attend ward meetings! You don't attend national meetings! You don't vote! But you believe that religion is your problem...lol. You've not started your journey yet in life

Melvyn11:

Am I wrong?

To each his own. That's ur own opinion, it doesn't matter if u are right or wrong.

Victornezzar:

You start losing an argument when you bring in insults

Dude calm down

Since we all were discussing, everybody was discussing with civility until the mumu with a switched off brain decided to be vulgar. I only dished in kind.

Melvyn11:

The bold says it all.

As if an atheist president will not steal billions of naira as well. Mumu people blaming their shortcomings on religion. People are stupid, people are selfish, people are Marlians .....It has nothing to do with religion.

Melvyn11:

Saudi Arabia/ UAE is predominantly a Muslim state and they are prospering. When you compare groups of people throughout history, the groups that practice a religion are more likely to survive and prosper than those groups that don’t practice a religion. I can’t remember the exact study, but it was cited in Jonathan Haidt’s The Righteous Mind. Religion may have its faults but it unites people and helps them grow.

religion unites people in bigotry and prejudice of outside religions, like the crusaders or inquisitions, religions promote ignorance like the people who discriminated against Galileo and Bruno for their scientific findings or like that woman that dumbed her "witch" kid in awka ibom,
Groups that practice religions are actually the poorest and less educated in today's world,also why on earth would u call Saudi Arabia prosperous

thorrvik55:


U guys are very funny.. Our problem as a country is not corrupt leaders that are only concerned with how much they'll loot during their tenure but religion. I guess religion is the reason why the governor of a state like Bayelsa would collect billions every month and at the end of 8 years would have nothing of note to show for...

just because object A(corruption) is also a problem doesnt mean object B(religion ) is not also a problem

diggz:



Even the so-called Nigerian atheist and critical thinkers I've come across on NL are as bad as or worse than the religious people they so much despise.

it is not Nigerian atheist that has killed millions in the northeast(bokoharam)
All your leaders are looted your money are Muslims and Christians.

madrid5:
religion unites people in bigotry and prejudice of outside religions, like the crusaders or inquisitions, religions promote ignorance like the people who discriminated against Galileo and Bruno for their scientific findings or like that woman that dumbed her "witch" kid in awka ibom,
Groups that practice religions are actually the poorest and less educated in today's world,also why on earth would u call Saudi Arabia prosperous

I doubt you know what you are talking about.

Bundesliga returning this weekend. I can't wait. EPL should hurry up before we all convert to Bundesliga fans

madrid5:
just because object A(corruption) is also a problem doesnt mean object B(religion ) is not also a problem

In all ur posts you've not highlighted corruption as a problem, just religion.

madrid5:
religion in Nigeria is like cancer,and just like how cancer is had to get rid so is religion.

Supposing we get rid of the cancer that's religion then what?

thorrvik55:


In all ur posts you've not highlighted corruption as a problem, just religion.



Supposing we get rid of the cancer that's religion then what?

religion IS the bigger problem

Melvyn11:

I doubt you know what you are talking about.

google "christian intolerance"

madrid5:
google "christian intolerance"

I don't need to Google anything. Even an atheist is intolerant of some beliefs and ideology. Humans in general are intolerant either religious or not. Like I said I doubt you know what you are talking about.

madrid5:
Groups that practice religions are actually the poorest and less educated in today's world,also why on earth would u call Saudi Arabia prosperous

I suppose compared to a Nation like Nigeria, it's actually quite prosperous.

However as someone pointed out earlier, it's relatively small popupation combined with it's vast Oil reserves has a lot do with it.

larride:
BlueRayDick


OUK remains in jail till his own appeal will be heard. It’s certain though that he will win the appeal on the ground just like this one won the appeal for retrial.

Chai! It's still a win for him at the end of the day sef.

Obviously na that other guy just test the waters first. More like a forerunner for the big masquerade.

diggz:


You come across as someone who never takes responsibility, but would rather play the blame game. While you've concluded on things that will happen in 2023, people that don't make excuses and love responsibilities are working on things they intend to achieve in 2023 already.

You've been here screaming critical thinking, insulting Nigerians and blaming religious people and religion for all your troubles in life. But you don't belong to a party! You don't attend ward meetings! You don't attend national meetings! You don't vote! But you believe that religion is your problem...lol. You've not started your journey yet in life

And you see any sense in this? I should take responsibility for what exactly?

Talking about going for posts, why don't you come back to Nigeria and join politics since you love taking responsibility so much?

Must a person join politics to contribute to nation-building?

All these things are simply too much for your IQ to process because your posts on this issue are bereft of any ideas showing you lack even the slightest understanding of the magnitude of the rot this country is in.

People that are smart will have already seen that a number of factors such as religion, low literacy level, and tribalism work together to keep Nigeria in the doldrums.

But people like you can't even understand the root causes of the Nigerian problem. When you can't identify the problems, the solution will remain elusive.

All you simply do is put the blame on corrupt leaders as if they are aliens and are not drawn from the Nigerian people.

But the leaders are only a reflection of the people. And when the majority are mentally lazy folks that rely solely on praying to a god for the good things of life yet do next to nothing to make things better, then the few smart ones around will keep on leaving for saner climes.

The Nigerian problem is one of (warped) mentality, occasioned by superstitious religious beliefs and low literacy level.

When most learn to focus less on the gods and God and prioritize science, education, and research, then Nigeria's rise to greatness will start.

Anyone with common sense would know that you can't place more value on religion (by littering all the streets with churches and mosques, wasting billions of naira yearly on pilgrimages to Israel and Saudi) and relegate youth education to the background, and yet you want a better Nigeria.

Personally, I know of people that are planning to spend lots of funds on hajj but a number of their kids aren't doing well financially, and those funds could do a lot to ensure they're financially empowered.

The phrase, “Olohun a se e" (god will do it), is the common utterance this sort of parents make to escape looking at the issue critically.

Their priority is mainly on worshipping and pleasing their god to make heaven. Is it not more reasonable to create this heaven on earth?

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Nigeria’s problem pass religion jare.

If the system obeys no one and makes it hard to get away with wrong doings, things will be saner.

nihilistjnr:


Basically you want to look for a unicorn.
It's impossible to be detribalised..That phrase makes no sense.

The average Nigerian rarely relocates from the area they were born in except to move to maybe Lagos, Abuja or PH.

Our identities are strongly tied to where we were raised.

Even if you were able to find this so called 'detribalised' don, who truly considers everybody his brother, why would electorate outside his home zone vote for him instead of someone from their village, or someone their kinsman has endorsed?

And even if thr impossible happened, how do you guarantee that another detribalised nigga will be ready to take over in 4 or 8 years time?

Another thing is, how do you guarantee that a credible candidate remains a credible leader during his tenure?

It makes no sense. You can't possibly hope to effect change by banking on the moral and personal characteristics of a 'credible candidate'

Countries that are better managed than us, aren't that way because their leaders are saints. Donald Trump and Boris Johnson in particular would be very much at home in the Nigerian political landscape.

The difference between those countries and us is institutions, not individuals. You don't get Naija style theft in Yankee politics because the system won't let you...not because Obama was the son of God.

A detribalized individual is one who is devoid of tribal or ethnic jingoism, one who does not believe that his tribe is better or superior to others.

You make no sense when you say such individuals don't exist. I already gave an example in Sowore, you don't hear him trivialising other tribes or praising the Yoruba tribe to the detriment of others.

This is why most of his supporters though young and relatively small in number span across all tribes.

They are a lot of expatriates like yourself and Ibime or Afrodoc who were born and raised in Nigeria but eventually immigrated abroad to find relative success and then come back years later to join politics.

This is exactly what Sowore did and he was able to build a following,enough for the sitting government to deem him a threat.

I agree with you that weak institutions is a part of the Nigerian problem.

But you have to ask yourself why that is? Why are our institutions very weak?

Nigeria was founded on a very weak foundation, it was built upon ethnic nationalism and that is why they are weak.

I mean Nigeria is the only country I know of where the first criteria for cabinet selection or ministerial appointment is based on state quota.
This is because there is always a deep suspicion of other tribes.

This even extends to employment.
Before employment, it is mandatory to state your tribe and religion, these two details determine your chances of employment.
That is institutionalized tribalism and religious bigotry laid bare.

In America, more than a quarter of trump's cabinet are from one state, newyork.
Some are European immigrants.
Nobody even cares where they are from so far as they are qualified.

It may not be in 4 years time. But with the growth in internet development and social media, a credible individual can build a large following over time

chic2pimp:


I suppose compared to a Nation like Nigeria, it's actually quite prosperous.

However as someone pointed out earlier, it's relatively small popupation combined with it's vast Oil reserves has a lot do with it.

Apart from that, those people had a general agreement on infrastructure, health, and other stuff that makes an economy tick irrespective of their background and ideologies.

Nigeria also has oil but the opposite is the reality. To us, oil was a curse, to them it was a blessing. Why?

timbros:


See as everybody dey bin Kaka upandan.

At his prime, this guy was unplayable....

Were the other options playable in their prime?

Nigerians number one problem from day 1 has always been ethnicity/ tribal bigotry. The outcome of the first military coup in 1966 led to mistrust amongst the major tribes in the country. The Coup led to the death of politicians and military officers that are majorly from the the northern and western region......and an Eastern head of state emerged.

This is where Nigeria's problem started. The fallout of the counter Coup; the programs, Igbo people massacre, resultant civil war and matters arising after the Civil War are reasons why Nigeria is where it is today and not religion.

All these shalayes about religion preventing development are just not it. The people are divided against tribal lines. A person of Idoma origin will mostly not vote for a Tiv to represent them at the senate despite the Tiv man being "credible" like someone posited earlier. Tribalism has made us as a country underutilize our best hands and focus on the less qualified people who appeal to our tribal sentiments.

It even happens in universities where an Igbo man will not be appointed VC in a university in Yoruba land. We apply tribal sentiments to taking key decisions.

Religion may be a factor, but it is not a deciding factor as much as ethnicity/tribalism. Most Yoruba Christian landlord will prefer to rent out their house to a Yoruba Muslim than an igbo man claiming Igbo's are problematic as tenants. An Hausa man will prefer to help someone who speaks the Hausa language that won't stress him to be speaking English unnecessarily. An igbo man who is a catholic or Anglican will prefer dealing with an Igbo man who attends Sabbath( whom some claim to be occultic) than deal with Hausa man.

Lets just say Tribalism is a primary problem that has been sowed since inception of the country, religion also joined as a problem later on

donjazet:


I was about typing exactly same until I saw yours.

Saudi Arabia and the UAE success are as a result of factors that are unique to them and very lucky for them.

Their main sources of wealth are oil and tourism.

This very SMALL population have the world's largest reserves of crude oil in the world.

Also the county is placed in such an advantegous position on the globe such that all flights going to Asia from Europe and America stopped in their airports to refuel hence growing their tourism.
They built one of the largest airports in the world and they were having millions of tourists coming to their countries.

Thirdly, they are the headquarters of the largest religion on earth. Every muslim around the globe hopes to go there every year.
Imagine any small country having all these advantages and tell me they won't prosper.

They have excess wealth for a relatively small population.

Why do you think biafran agitators look towards them? Because of the belief(arguably misguided) that a smaller population having large resources Is a recipe for wealth and success.

We also have our own fair share of factor that should make us develop. Have you considered that too

atheist until the plane starts falling

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BlueRayDick:
Nigerians number one problem from day 1 has always been ethnicity/ tribal bigotry. The outcome of the first military coup in 1966 led to mistrust amongst the major tribes in the country. The Coup led to the death of politicians and military officers that are majorly from the the northern and western region......and an Eastern head of state emerged.

This is where Nigeria's problem started.

You're right about the highlighted. The foundation of Nigeria was poorly laid, and one Nigeria is a myth.

Even though the advocates of one Nigeria don't want a breakup, they can't waive aside the import of restructuring.

However, that requires a lot of political will. And Nigerians won't even vote for leaders that have the potential to achieve that once they don't run on the platform of either PDP or APC.

Most will simply support popular candidates with the largest money bags to spend, running on either of those main parties and pray to their god the (s)elected candidates get it right when they get to the helm.

But can mere prayers make an Ahmed Musa become a Messi?

hardeycute:
The "Why" is the bolded in your first paragraph; indoctrination.

It's all about experience bro. Experiential knowledge. There is a realm your limited mind can't cross. You guys feel you are smart.

Your critical thinking can just take you to an extent. It can't take you out of the three-dimensional plane.

When they asked Jesus for a sign, he didn't bother cos they won't grasp.

The Jews seek signs, Greeks seek wisdom.

Melvyn11:

And children born into atheist family?

They are considered to be free

BlueRayDick:
Nigerians number one problem from day 1 has always been ethnicity/ tribal bigotry. The outcome of the first military coup in 1966 led to mistrust amongst the major tribes in the country. The Coup led to the death of politicians and military officers that are majorly from the the northern and western region......and an Eastern head of state emerged.

This is where Nigeria's problem started. The fallout of the counter Coup; the programs, Igbo people massacre, resultant civil war and matters arising after the Civil War are reasons why Nigeria is where it is today and not religion.

All these shalayes about religion preventing development are just not it. The people are divided against tribal lines. A person of Idoma origin will mostly not vote for a Tiv to represent them at the senate despite the Tiv man being "credible" like someone posited earlier. Tribalism has made us as a country underutilize our best hands and focus on the less qualified people who appeal to our tribal sentiments.

It even happens in universities where an Igbo man will not be appointed VC in a university in Yoruba land. We apply tribal sentiments to taking key decisions.

Religion may be a factor, but it is not a deciding factor as much as ethnicity/tribalism. Most Yoruba Christian landlord will prefer to rent out their house to a Yoruba Muslim than an igbo man claiming Igbo's are problematic as tenants. An Hausa man will prefer to help someone who speaks the Hausa language that won't stress him to be speaking English unnecessarily. An igbo man who is a catholic or Anglican will prefer dealing with an Igbo man who attends Sabbath( whom some claim to be occultic) than deal with Hausa man.

Lets just say Tribalism is a primary problem that has been sowed since inception of the country, religion also joined as a problem later on

While most of your postulations are accurate, there is still a point you have missed.
We are not just saying religion is a problem. But RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY is a large problem.

In Northern Nigeria, you cannot distinguish between religion and tradition because both have become intertwined to become their predominant culture.
Unlike the south where tradition and religion is still quite apart. But religion now takes forefront of people's mind.

For instance, if an igbo man marries a Yoruba girl, a few rural villagers will frown
it but will accept it, however if a Christian igbo marries an Islamic girl, it is instantly frowned upon and unacceptable by all and sundry. You become an island in your hometown.
That is religious bigotry laid bare.
Now this mentality is harboured and exhibited by our leaders since they are an extraction from the people.

ChristineC:
atheist until the plane starts falling

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Them go shout Jesus

popizaino:




We also have our own fair share of factor that should make us develop. Have you considered that too

Like what?

So far as we continue to be divided along religious and tribal lines, we can't move forward.

madrid5:
religion IS the bigger problem

Do you mind listing the religious problems/conflicts we have encountered in Nigeria and how they have affected our growth as a nation? Please don't tell me Buhari is a Muslim or Jonathan is a Christian.