doitforyou:

You’re a feminist then you should know the bolded doesn’t align with the core definition of feminism. There shouldn’t be any restriction or condition that would prevent equal access and opportunities.

A woman shouldn’t be denied a job because of an implicit bias (women are limited by pregnancy) 1. Not all women want children; 2. Not all pregnant women are too ‘weak’ to do their job.

OP, as long as there are men/women that believe women shouldn’t have equal access to opportunities and deny women their freedom of choice, feminism will always be needed. It’s one thing for laws to be passed, it’s another for them to be enforced. There are sexist people in positions of power and authority positioned to enforce those laws or not based on their bias. Also, every law has loopholes that can make discrimination perfectly legal, these are taken advantage of by sexist people. It’s a constant battle to call out discrimination, prosecute/sue the perpetuators and continue to fight for laws to close those loopholes.

MrBrownJay1:




forgot to mention, the reason the US women national team can NEVER be paid as much as men is because they can never be as good as men.

IS THAT NOT THAT SAME US WOMEN NATIONAL TEAM THAT WAS BEATEN 5-2 BY THE UNDER 15 (yrs old) FC DALLAS MALE TEAM?!?!?!

you cannot compare apples with oranges! the only way female footballers should receive the same salaries as men is if/when they will play against men (and win).

ThothHermes:
Stop spreading falsehood. Provide the link for the complete article.

PrimadonnaO:


Now that bolded part is what is ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT!
If we do the same job, we got the same qualifications, then we gotta get paid the same! What!

What freaking justifies paying the man higher? What exactly?

Hathor5:


So you agree that they are equal even though they are different. Apply the same logic to men and women and you will never again write "women and men are NOT equal".

Donald3d:

I hope you get my point now.

I am not sure how it works in the medical field, but I am guessing a physically pregnant surgeon would not be allowed to operate on someone's brain. Someone else would have to take her place, whether another woman or a man. So should we demand for equal rights because she was relieved of her job ?

doitforyou:

No, I don’t get your point.

Are you saying because you think pregnant women can’t handle being on site so women shouldn’t be employed as engineers? So they shouldn’t be hired because of their sex?

If you had a company would you hire a female engineer?

Donald3d:


I would most definitely employ a female engineer, if she has the qualifications.

But I wouldn't hesitate to place her on compulsory leave once its discovered that she is pregnant, or I would move her to the office and keep her away from the field.

I never said female engineers should not be hired.

Have you seen a pregnant woman bending down to carry something before ? She has to bend "with her side"

Now imagine a pregnant woman lifting a bag of cement or a 30-50kg object.

They are some jobs where efficiency can't be gambled with.

Gerrard59:


Biologically, men and women aren't equal. Even in neuroscience analysis, they are different. These differences give rise to different way of thinking and choices they make on daily basis.

jelel6:


That's an acceptable definition of equality on the surface. But when we begin to pick and apply it on a case by case basis, we soon find out what we truly should clamour for is not equality, but equity and fairness


Are any two individual truly EQUALS? whether two male and female? Because the way most define equality, they really mean we should give people equal REWARDS. Sadly, no society can truly strive on that. Even if we do that, we invariably become unfair to another party.

Going by your definition, (we are not to consider fairness, we just give them equal rewards or opportunities irrespective of glaring circumstantial differences) lets assume in a fictitious state, the law says every citizen is entitled to collect a Mango fruit directly from the tree 15 meters high. As every child is born, the state rewards them with a 5 meter stick. Hence, they need only to grow 5 metres to Collect their birth right. You and I know not everyone of those children will get to claim thier birthrights. That's EQUALITY. But not JUSTICE, EQUITY or FAIRNESS.

I've intentionally not make any reference to gender thus far. I'm not for gender bais.

Personally, I was surprised when I discovered that the actress playing the role of Queen Elizabeth on the television series the crown was paid way less than her co-star, who played her husband. That was not right and clearly, she was the focal point of the show and her reward should have reflected that.

Now, you can figure what I think when the U.S Women football team demands equal pay with the mens team.

I can only wonder if you think they should be paid equally here too.

Kaamisha:
Oh oh oh now it is apples and oranges but when you gave all your examples on this thread you were not comparing watermelons with grapes. They generate more revenue so they deserve the greater share.

bukatyne:
Why are we arguing that male football generates more revenue than female football?

How many women would watch women's football viz a viz the number watching male football?

It is like arguing male fashion show/modeling show would generate more revenue that female dominated shows.

MrBrownJay1:


we are still talking about why men and women dont have true equality...

Kaamisha:


A simple one minute google search will give you the article. You don't even need a high IQ to figure that out.

Hathor5:


I already regret coming to this thread but I don't want to ignore your post because you took your time to write it and to share your thoughts. I know the difference between equality and equity. This difference has also been long discussed in the context of schools and the assessment of students. I think the word fairness, as you said, is what it boils down to eventually.

ThothHermes:
Why not help me? You are about to be called out on your crap. I know you can't read properly.

Humour me
Provide the link

along with the added advantage of generally getting preferential treatment over men in any courtroom.
These societies in fact still absolve women from certain responsibilities at the expense of men.

Hathor5:


Feminism has never been about biological differences. Equality does not mean that women want to have a penis or flex muscles with men.
When Black people wanted the same rights as white people, nobody claimed they all wanted to bleach themselves.

doitforyou:

You’re a feminist then you should know the bolded doesn’t align with the core definition of feminism. There shouldn’t be any restriction or condition that would prevent equal access and opportunities.

A woman shouldn’t be denied a job because of an implicit bias (women are limited by pregnancy) 1. Not all women want children; 2. Not all pregnant women are too ‘weak’ to do their job.

OP, as long as there are men/women that believe women shouldn’t have equal access to opportunities and deny women their freedom of choice, feminism will always be needed. It’s one thing for laws to be passed, it’s another for them to be enforced. There are sexist people in positions of power and authority that are supposed to enforce these laws. Also, every law have loopholes that can make discrimination perfectly legal, these are taken advantage of by sexist people. It’s a constant battle to call out discrimination, prosecute/sue the perpetuators and continue to fight for laws to close those loopholes.

doitforyou:
Obviously, worldwide, men’s soccer is way more popular and profitable than women’s soccer.

This is USWNT vs USSF. This is a lawsuit about wages paid from the purse of the USSF.

USWNT and USMNT are contracted to play 20 games in a year, players on the roaster are paid yearly from a purse contributed by both.

Since 2015, USWNT has earned more for the purse. Unlike the rest of the world, Women’s soccer is more popular than men’s soccer in the US. Canada 2015 final is the most watched World Cup final in the US. More people also watched France 2019 than they did Russia 2018. The women’s team is way more popular in the US because they are the most successful women’s team in the world.

USMNT has publicly expressed their support of the lawsuit. Also, they haven’t ‘lost’ the new trial was supposed to be in June, another date to be announced.

bukatyne:
Why are we arguing that male football generates more revenue than female football?

How many women would watch women's football viz a viz the number watching male football?

It is like arguing male fashion show/modeling show would generate more revenue that female dominated shows.

Hathor5:


One more time, you said that men and women are not equal and this is why you made a mockery of the equality movement. And I am telling you this: even though men and women are DIFFERENT, they are EQUAL before the law. The black/white people example was only used to highlight that biological differences are not what equality is about.

You don't know me so stop the name calling. I am not the one complaining about equal pay here and you have no idea how I behave on dates. I was just correcting the misconception that feminists do not acknowledge biological differences. Peace!

MrBrownJay1:




forgot to mention, the reason the US women national team can NEVER be paid as much as men is because they can never be as good as men.

IS THAT NOT THAT SAME US WOMEN NATIONAL TEAM THAT WAS BEATEN 5-2 BY THE UNDER 15 (yrs old) FC DALLAS MALE TEAM?!?!?!

you cannot compare apples with oranges! the only way female footballers should receive the same salaries as men is if/when they will play against men (and win).

Arthur2021:
if the wage gap really existed and women actually work on the same rate and intensity as men don't you think women will be triple in the work force than men?I mean why would a sane employer employ a man he has to pay higher and waste money instead of paying women that will do same work for a lesser amount?
This clowns don't reason.

If men and women get equal pay then trust me lots of females will be sacked,it will be a loss on the employer to always have excuses like "I have to pick my child from school" "my child is ill" "I can't carry this, it is too heavy" etc...why can't I have a staff I can call anytime to travel to the worst creek and slum of the state out of the blue ?

Don't expect them to give you a response on the models getting paid higher,nurses,etc

They ignore the points where they have upper hand and quote the point they don't.

MrBrownJay1:
now for all the people who are quick to look at this issue "their" female way, let us all look at it from a male perspective.
both male and female are treated unfairly in society.... here below is a few example of when we MEN are treated unfairly in society (and women are quiet about it):

- if a man has sex with a woman, condom breaks and she gets pregnant, whether the man wants that child or not is irrelevant because A) if the woman does NOT want that child (and the man does), then there is nothing he can do, B) if the woman wants that child (and the man doesnt), then there is still nothing a man can do, and you will be forced to be a father and forced to pay child support for a child you didnt want (to begin with), simply because the woman wanted it. is that fair to men?!

- if a man and a woman divorce, and they have the same situation in life, almost ALWAYS the child custody will be given to the mother. is that fair to men?!

- when was the last time you heard of GROOM-PRICE... men are treated unfairly when they have to pay bride price but women dont have to pay men anything. is that fair to men?!

- female circumcision is talked about everywhere but, men are forced to be circumcised every freaking day yet nobody is saying any damn thing about it.
is that fair to men?!

- the justice system gives lighter sentences to women, for the exact same crimes that men do. is that fair to men?!

- when was the last time you saw a domestic violence shelter and/or shelter for abused men?! is that fair to men?!

- a not so smart but beautiful/sexy woman, who is jobless, can achieve much more in life than most hardworking highly educated men out there... because women are quick to use their femininity to advance in life, something a man CANNOT do. is that fair to men?!

we can sit here all day blaming this or that, the reality is that men and women aint equal!

PrimadonnaO:


Now that bolded part is what is ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT!
If we do the same job, we got the same qualifications, then we gotta get paid the same! What!

What freaking justifies paying the man higher? What exactly?

What the hell are you talking about the niqqa gave an instance of the female footballers case to buttress his point. Are all male footballers paid at the same rate? In every other system it is not justifiable, but in sport it is. In sport a lot of things determines your pay, male sporting activities generate greater revenue than their female counterpart for example, so it's not just about doing the same job, you lot should learn not to jump on everything because your feminist instinct pushes you to

Donald3d:


Let's be reasonable ma'am
Its not safe for a pregnant woman to be on a construction or engineering site (if you are an engineer or if you have ever been to a site, you would understand what I am saying), its not safe for her and everyone involved. These are the limits I was talking about.Its not because she is a woman, its because she isn't fully fit to do the job.

Even if she is just a supervisor, it still not advisable. For example if a machine/vehicle operator loses control, how fast can she run ?. So, her being a woman has nothing to do with this, but her condition.

Its like saying a man who has boil under his armpit or on his hand (for example), should be aloud to operate a cutting machine. Its not safe. He is "compromised".

Engineering environments are not places where one can "gamble" and assume the person can handle it.

I am not sure how it works in the medical field, but I am guessing a physically pregnant surgeon would not be allowed to operate on someone's brain. Someone else would have to take her place, whether another woman or a man. So should we demand for equal rights because she was relieved of her job ?

I hope you get my point now.