S400:


That means nothing .the weapon is not the problem its how you use it ,

In syria the pantsir that was destroyed was in rest position, radar off after he had fired all his missiles and destroyed his targets , the crew remained on the spot while waiting for the support vehicle ( big error for a mobile air defense system in operation area) , thats why it was destroyed .

For libyan haftar clown militia , what can i say , poeple shared the videos of the pantsir delivry convoy live on social media's .. the turkish drone followed the delivry of the pantsir system from delivry until the base and detroyed it . without been even detected and pantsir was also not activated ، thats just too stupid .

Pantsir is a very good air defense system specially when used with other middle , long range air defense systems and radars . dont think it will change its use in algerian , syrian or russian armies

even against the stealth fighters in the world?

Nigerian army

KDF troops on route clearance from Konton towards Qarsa was hit by IED on one vehicle(APC) resulting to 3 injuries at 1030hrs yesterday.

Nigerian army sniper

S400 2 quick questions. I rmrbr last year reading the Burkinabe defmin interview where he not openly accused the usual suspects of being behind Jihadism but specified the Sahel warzone had become a drug route.

“I think there’s a big business behind all these things, that has little to do with religious motivations. These people have a lot of money to recruit youth, to pay them, to pay their families. The Sahel is a big trafficking zone. The traffickers sell cheap cigarettes. They arrive in Benin, or Togo. They go through Burkina Faso or maybe Niger. Then it goes through the desert zone of Mali. Actually the Algerian generals are complicit in this trafficking. Then it goes to Europe…this same network is being used by the drug dealers of Latin America.”

https://mg.co.za/article/2019-06-04-00-i-question-frances-motives-says-burkina-fasos-defence-minister/

Which actually makes sense as many rebels incl. Colombia FARC,Burmese Karen,Tamil LTTE and the Vietnamese all fund themselves or at one time did via drugs. Anyway I recently watched the excellent zero zero zero wherein a 27 ton cocaine consignment leaves Mexico for a trans Sahara trip through the jihadi battleground to Morocco.

Do you know anything about your guys involvement in the smuggling? Also what do you know of the Tuaregs? Years ago,a reliable source who'd spent time in Libya swore many were actually crypto Jews-its common for them to hide their true origin. Do you have knowledge of this? Specific clans,numbers etc.etc.

I've been doing a lot of research recently on a related issue and thus I have information,not knowledge I admit but enough info to conclude American gun makers are effing lazy! Their products are pedestrian and the manufacturers survive thanks to the patriotism of the US gun buyers.

Look at this ishyt! Supposedly new products. ALL AR 10/15s. Basically the same platform with addons,new production techniques and materials but the IDENTICAL PLATFORM OF THE EARLY 60S!?


There are now over 10 AR makers.

Aero Precision: AC-15M.
Armalite: M-15 A4.
Bravo Company: Mod 0, Mod 2, Recce 14/16.
Colt: LE6920.
Daniel Defense: DDM4 V3, DDM3 VV5, DDMA1.
LaRue: PredatAR.
Rock River Arms: LAR-15 Entry Tactical.
Sig Sauer: M400.

Its like a 1970s Buick pimped out but sans the rims,thousand dollar entertainment system and airbags its still a 50 year old car! You'd be shocked to know beyond the slick brochures and cherry picked heavily edited yt vids these rifles don't even work that well! The 7000$ Petra from Falkor built with space shuttle tech breaks after just 1500 rounds-WTF!?

Now as Falkor is concerned, in 2016, against my better judgment and that of my peers, I approached Falkor about using one of their .308 gas guns for the 2016 US Army ISC. Again you'd think if you're going to spot light your company you'd at least put your best foot forward but at last the apple didn't fall far from the Nemo tree. Falkor ended up having to sending me two different rifles over the course of our train up. After 1500-2000 rounds between the 2 guns and 4 deferent shooters we could not get either one to hold sub 1.5 MOA. I ended up driving to the ISC with no rifle, luckly found an OBR on the way down, boresighted it on the highway and finished 3rd that year.

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/falkor-petra-on-its-way.6874975/
That's a US Army Spec op sniper talking!

WHAT'S NEW IN THEIR GUN WORLD SINCE THE BARRETT BMG rifle OF THE EARLY 90S? Why is their military going for FN SCARs and Sig pistols. Europeans have given us the Alien Laugo pistol,the SCAR,the Glock which was the first composite striker activated,double stack pistol in the mid 80s:pray,tell what has the US developed since?? Fyi,the best revolvers are also European made by Manurhin of France-they last almost 100k rounds while Colts struggle to reach half that.

Like Korth Combat revolvers, Manurhin revolvers are the stuff of legends, specifically the MR73. [b]The Manurhin factory museum has an MR73 used by the GIGN (the elite police tactical unit of the French National Gendarmerie) on exhibit that has a round count of 96,000 full-power .357 Magnum. [/b]This round count is only rivaled by Korth revolvers (and properly built pre-1972 Colt Pythons).

[url]https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/old-school-guns-these-are-best-357-magnum-revolvers-2019-61667?page=0%2C2[/url]

I'm waiting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQfkMKEzyZA

Dapchi

kikuyu1:
S400 2 quick questions. I rmrbr last year reading the Burkinabe defmin interview where he not openly accused the usual suspects of being behind Jihadism but specified the Sahel warzone had become a drug route.


Which actually makes sense as many rebels incl. Colombia FARC,Burmese Karen,Tamil LTTE and the Vietnamese all fund themselves or at one time did via drugs. Anyway I recently watched the excellent zero zero zero wherein a 27 ton cocaine consignment leaves Mexico for a trans Sahara trip through the jihadi battleground to Morocco.

Do you know anything about your guys involvement in the smuggling? Also what do you know of the Tuaregs? Years ago,a reliable source who'd spent time in Libya swore many were actually crypto Jews-its common for them to hide their true origin. Do you have knowledge of this? Specific clans,numbers etc.etc.

- for algerian generals drug and cigarette trafficking accusations , it's an old media propaganda disc from Morocco , some poeple in France, and their modern slave in some african countries . there is also an accusation that the Algerian army created the terrorists itself in Algeria to kill its population in 90's to stop islamist politics then after 2000's sent them to Mali and Niger to destabilize them with infiltrated intelligence agents ect.... , like some one could say nigerian army genrals created boko harem and sent them to destabilize cameroun tchad , thats stupid . some algerian high major generals do business and earn millions from legal imports , there is rumors that they have a monopoly on imports of certain products or negotiate advantageous contracts . yes , but drugs no .

for this subject, with just checking drugs narcotic exportations and smuggling in the region you will find that morocco is the first cannabis and cannabis resin producer in the world , and moroccan king Pablo mohamed 6 manage a hudge drug industry , according to some sources , 800.000 moroccans work in cannabis sector , cannabis income represent 23% of moroccan GDP , thats tens billions dollars per year of income , for exemple 109 tonnes of moroccan cannabis resin were seized in Algeria in 2015 . and 80% of the canabis seized in europ is moroccan

US department of state 2017 report
https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2017/03/210341/how-did-state-department-estimate-market-value-of-moroccan-cannabis/


- for touareg nothing to do with jews , they are nomads originaly from berber migration to south sahara and mix with sub saharian black populations , they live in the extrem south of algeria (70.000 in algeria) , 2 millions in niger , 500.000 in mali , 50.000 in burkina , few in libya ,

touaregs had an ancestral matriarchal system , the men covert there face like hijab, the women show there faces , children receives social rank from there mother , political power is transmitted by women , the woman keeps the property of the house even if she choose to divorce , they have a good reputation for being peaceful and welcoming people , in north mali , niger considering the high unemployment rate and the underdevelopment of this region, some touargs with other tribes live from smuggling . with even a negilgence , conflict with the central power, and a past of rebellions , genocide and demands for independence , touaregs with other tribes in north mali , with also imported terrorist start the last rebellion that we have seen this last years .

BlackBaron:

Oga wake up.
We need advanced industries to support a production of tanks. We lack even steel alloy production, precise enineering down to components on a micro level which we don't manufacture in country. MRAPS are built up on 4x4 or so while tanks are built from scratch. MRAPs built in Nigeria with lower labour costs are of course going to be cheaper.

Tanks are next level engineering with millions of dollars for a start. Most of the countries with indigenous tanks already have industries that made it possible plus they still import some components, Pakistan, India, Turkey et al.

Sometimes it's meaningless arguing with those illiterates. They are blinded and will say anything to give credit to the Nigerian military. That's how one of them was saying the Nigerian military has what it takes to sink a UK aircraft carrier.

Where is Egypt seeing all these money for equipment?

Or is @S400 loaning Egypt Money?
Bro please remember Nigeria also


Italian foreign ministry's report to Senate on 2019 arms exports reveals that
@Leonardo_IT
sold 32 military helicopters (24 AW149 and 8 AW189) to Egypt, in a deal worth €871 million. The AW149 is the dedicated combar version of AW139.

Kabe2:
Where is Egypt seeing all these money for equipment?

Or is @S400 loaning Egypt Monet?
Bro please remember Nigeria also


Italian foreign ministry's report to Senate on 2019 arms exports reveals that
@Leonardo_IT
sold 32 military helicopters (24 AW149 and 8 AW189) to Egypt, in a deal worth €871 million. The AW149 is the dedicated combar version of AW139.

the amount of money splashed in the military can feed their poor citizens for centuries and generations to come..

I mean these buys are good but it's blown out of proportion when most of their citizens lives in abject poverty and malnourishment

seankafor:
the amount of money splashed in the military can feed their poor citizens for centuries and generations to come..

I mean these buys are good but it's blown out of proportion when most of their citizens lives in abject poverty and malnourishment

some stats about extrem poverty (pic1,2) and malnourishment (pic 3)

Aero L-39 Albatros]

El moundjid class heavy tug boat

Moroccan AF ,1997

KingAzubuike:

Sometimes it's meaningless arguing with those illiterates. They are blinded and will say anything to give credit to the Nigerian military. That's how one of them was saying the Nigerian military has what it takes to sink a UK aircraft carrier.

It's just a discourse. No need to stoop low to abuse because of difference in opinion.

BlackBaron:

It's just a discourse. No need to stoop low to abuse because of difference in opinion.

I believe the discussion should be honestly around the possibility of whether it can be done or not.
I remember during the NIGER DELTA insurgency of the 1990 a notorious Western Journalists openly mocked the NAF helicopter capabilities
to fly the temperamental MI-35 P
Flash forward 20 YEARS
Nigeria is one of the few AFRICAN COUNTRIES that has a female HELICOPTER PILOT with more in the pipeline
how does this relate to the a Tank building process?
Human capacity
Basic Tank Technology has not changed much since 1945
TURRET
CANNON
SQUAT BODY : carrying 3/4 passengers
TRACKS +WHEEL
What has changed
Weight
ERA
FCS
Computer integrated systems
Types of shells
Where would NIGERIA start from
a Company like Proforce would:
1. Produce a monocoque tracked vehicle as a start using a base model of a T72
2. Using 3D/ CAD / Digital animation , produce on computer two different prototypes
3. Where would they get the Steel/ / Press moulding technology : Easy South Africa , India
4. Key is not to start from scratch - don't re-invent the wheel start with a base model with no bells and whistles
no sensors , manual loading and then move from there prototypes 1- 5 see what works and what doesn't
5. Follow the blue print of the NN They started with the NN Andoni they are on the SDB3 The Navy can tell you the process.
6. Get funding for research from the FG

LTGEN:

I believe the discussion should be honestly around the possibility of whether it can be done or not.
I remember during the NIGER DELTA insurgency of the 1990 a notorious Western Journalists openly mocked the NAF helicopter capabilities
to fly the temperamental MI-35 P
Flash forward 20 YEARS
Nigeria is one of the few AFRICAN COUNTRIES that has a female HELICOPTER PILOT with more in the pipeline
how does this relate to the a Tank building process?
Human capacity
Basic Tank Technology has not changed much since 1945
TURRET
CANNON
SQUAT BODY : carrying 3/4 passengers
TRACKS +WHEEL
What has changed
Weight
ERA
FCS
Computer integrated systems
Types of shells
Where would NIGERIA start from
a Company like Proforce would:
1. Produce a monocoque tracked vehicle as a start using a base model of a T72
2. Using 3D/ CAD / Digital animation , produce on computer two different prototypes
3. Where would they get the Steel/ / Press moulding technology : Easy South Africa , India
4. Key is not to start from scratch - don't re-invent the wheel start with a base model with no bells and whistles
no sensors , manual loading and then move from there prototypes 1- 5 see what works and what doesn't
5. Follow the blue print of the NN They started with the NN Andoni they are on the SDB3 The Navy can tell you the process.
6. Get funding for research from the FG

you've said it all...
but sir you'll be eaten .
I tried telling them it will take time but it's possible

Hello guys, please has anyone ever come across this monika ( Saakuup ).

It contacted me by email and went cold. Am not sure what he wanted. ... Note, I am a strong nationalist and maybe someone likes me

Here is the blank profile
https://www.nairaland.com/saakuup

Kindly advise if you ever encountered this kind of monika. If you have not, kindly reject its emails or don't reply.

Thanks.

Please guys, kindly ignore this monika. It is 10years old, with no post or topics. Strange.

LTGEN:

I believe the discussion should be honestly around the possibility of whether it can be done or not.
I remember during the NIGER DELTA insurgency of the 1990 a notorious Western Journalists openly mocked the NAF helicopter capabilities
to fly the temperamental MI-35 P
Flash forward 20 YEARS
Nigeria is one of the few AFRICAN COUNTRIES that has a female HELICOPTER PILOT with more in the pipeline
how does this relate to the a Tank building process?
Human capacity
Basic Tank Technology has not changed much since 1945
TURRET
CANNON
SQUAT BODY : carrying 3/4 passengers
TRACKS +WHEEL
What has changed
Weight
ERA
FCS
Computer integrated systems
Types of shells
Where would NIGERIA start from
a Company like Proforce would:
1. Produce a monocoque tracked vehicle as a start using a base model of a T72
2. Using 3D/ CAD / Digital animation , produce on computer two different prototypes
3. Where would they get the Steel/ / Press moulding technology : Easy South Africa , India
4. Key is not to start from scratch - don't re-invent the wheel start with a base model with no bells and whistles
no sensors , manual loading and then move from there prototypes 1- 5 see what works and what doesn't
5. Follow the blue print of the NN They started with the NN Andoni they are on the SDB3 The Navy can tell you the process.
6. Get funding for research from the FG

You talk like a primary school kid doing debate. He is young, naive and wrong but he thinks he is right because he thinks he is right. His listeners and teachers will cheer him up no matter the nonsense he says because afterall, it's just a primary school debate.

See as the fellow dey talk 3D animation and importation of steel from South Africa lol.

LTGEN:

I believe the discussion should be honestly around the possibility of whether it can be done or not.
I remember during the NIGER DELTA insurgency of the 1990 a notorious Western Journalists openly mocked the NAF helicopter capabilities
to fly the temperamental MI-35 P
Flash forward 20 YEARS
Nigeria is one of the few AFRICAN COUNTRIES that has a female HELICOPTER PILOT with more in the pipeline
how does this relate to the a Tank building process?
Human capacity
Basic Tank Technology has not changed much since 1945
TURRET
CANNON
SQUAT BODY : carrying 3/4 passengers
TRACKS +WHEEL
What has changed
Weight
ERA
FCS
Computer integrated systems
Types of shells
Where would NIGERIA start from
a Company like Proforce would:
1. Produce a monocoque tracked vehicle as a start using a base model of a T72
2. Using 3D/ CAD / Digital animation , produce on computer two different prototypes
3. Where would they get the Steel/ / Press moulding technology : Easy South Africa , India
4. Key is not to start from scratch - don't re-invent the wheel start with a base model with no bells and whistles
no sensors , manual loading and then move from there prototypes 1- 5 see what works and what doesn't
5. Follow the blue print of the NN They started with the NN Andoni they are on the SDB3 The Navy can tell you the process.
6. Get funding for research from the FG

I hope I could be proven wrong. Just the finance/complexity are a tall order. The financial backing required would have to be ironclad without the penchant for government or their successors to starve, delay or pull the plug. They'll lose momentum, increase costs and probably piss people involved to leave.

Building a tank cost a Brazilian company to go bankrupt and the Indian tank has been beset by huge problems. Turkey has 1, but it's also the most expensive (rumoured $13M per unit) on the planet without capability to match Abrams or Armata.

The most important bit will be producing a tank that's capable than say what a fairly cheap T55 can offer. Using a base model is probably the best option and would save a lot.
Tank details should be mostly proprietary,
If we outsource almost all components to outsiders, most countries would already know how to defeat it before it reaches the battlefield. There'll also be issue of logistics. It's why I'll like to see other supporting industries on ground.

I would go for Ex Soviet as they have pedigree in tanks plus potentially reasonable wages versus the very well renumerated European or American.

About the NN, there's some capability in the shipbuilding industry thanks in part to the oil sector. Worth hundreds of millions, many companies are indeed motivated. Would not be surprised if frigate scale projects would suffice in the future.

KingAzubuike:

You talk like a primary school kid doing debate. He is young, naive and wrong but he thinks he is right because he thinks he is right. His listeners and teachers will cheer him up no matter the nonsense he says because afterall, it's just a primary school debate.

See as the fellow dey talk 3D animation and importation of steel from South Africa lol.

I honestly laughed hard reading his comments . If you are saying Nigeria has the capabilities of building tanks yet we have to import steel and get technologies from other countries , it simply means we are not capable.

S400:


some stats about extrem poverty (pic1,2) and malnourishment (pic 3)

I have heard oooooooooo

KingAzubuike:

You talk like a primary school kid doing debate. He is young, naive and wrong but he thinks he is right because he thinks he is right. His listeners and teachers will cheer him up no matter the nonsense he says because afterall, it's just a primary school debate.

See as the fellow dey talk 3D animation and importation of steel from South Africa lol.

One of the things about you is your lack of comprehension and communication skills without resorting to abuse.
It shows the level of degeneration within you.
Unfortunately for you there is absolutely nothing redeeming about you.
A discussion is being had on whether it is possible to build a Tank in Nigeria that is all.
Unremarkably and unsurprisingly you couldn’t in your foetid brain offer a single cogent reason but to resort to abuse.
Criticize go after the points I raised like others did
laying out the costs and need for Govt guarantees ( valid) points.
Next time when grown folks are having a genuine discussion understand ill -mannered cretins like yourself that lack basic comprehensive skills should just walk on by.

LTGEN:

One of the things about you is your lack of comprehension and communication skills without resorting to abuse.
It shows the level of degeneration within you.
Unfortunately for you there is absolutely nothing redeeming about you.
A discussion is being had on whether it is possible to build a Tank in Nigeria that is all.
Unremarkably and unsurprisingly you couldn’t in your foetid brain offer a single cogent reason but to resort to abuse.
Criticize go after the points I raised like others did
laying out the costs and need for Govt guarantees ( valid) points.
Next time when grown folks are having a genuine discussion understand ill -mannered cretins like yourself that lack basic comprehensive skills should just walk on by.

Only if you could say all this to my face in person.

BlackBaron:

I hope I could be proven wrong. Just the finance/complexity are a tall order. The financial backing required would have to be ironclad without the penchant for government or their successors to starve, delay or pull the plug. They'll lose momentum, increase costs and probably piss people involved to leave.

Building a tank cost a Brazilian company to go bankrupt and the Indian tank has been beset by huge problems. Turkey has 1, but it's also the most expensive (rumoured $13M per unit) on the planet without capability to match Abrams or Armata.

The most important bit will be producing a tank that's capable than say what a fairly cheap T55 can offer. Using a base model is probably the best option and would save a lot.
Tank details should be mostly proprietary,
If we outsource almost all components to outsiders, most countries would already know how to defeat it before it reaches the battlefield. There'll also be issue of logistics. It's why I'll like to see other supporting industries on ground.

I would go for Ex Soviet as they have pedigree in tanks plus potentially reasonable wages versus the very well renumerated European or American.

About the NN, there's some capability in the shipbuilding industry thanks in part to the oil sector. Worth hundreds of millions, many companies are indeed motivated. Would not be surprised if frigate scale projects would suffice in the future.

Points are valid:
Here’s the benefits of using a cheap base model
Unlike Brazil or what India did you are not starting from scratch let’s even call it a cheap knock off.
The benefits are you have taken care off difficult questions like weight vs armor thickness because
those parameters have already been set.
Of course there would have to be some kind of guarantees from the Govt.
If you recall recently the very same NASS visited the Naval dockyards and actually demanded more Ships should be built in Nigeria.
It would be important to get NASS on board at the initial stages.
Proforce I could see them being at least intrigued to come up with the drawings and 3D based on a base model for a modest fee.

LTGEN:

Points are valid:
Here’s the benefits of using a cheap base model
Unlike Brazil or what India did you are not starting from scratch let’s even call it a cheap knock off.
The benefits are you have taken care off difficult questions like weight vs armor thickness because
those parameters have already been set.
Of course there would have to be some kind of guarantees from the Govt.
If you recall recently the very same NASS visited the Naval dockyards and actually demanded more Ships should be built in Nigeria.
It would be important to get NASS on board at the initial stages.
Proforce I could see them being at least intrigued to come up with the drawings and 3D based on a base model for a modest fee.

guy see if proforce says theywant to build a tank they will...
Possibly in the future.why does it seem impossible other countries that developed tanks didn't they start from somewhere
It may not be a MBT at first
Maybe a tracked IFV with big guns then progress to light tanks and so on
This will take years but they Will do According to them Not me

NuclearBomber:
Hello guys, please has anyone ever come across this monika ( Saakuup ).

It contacted me by email and went cold. Am not sure what he wanted. ... Note, I am a strong nationalist and maybe someone likes me

Here is the blank profile
https://www.nairaland.com/saakuup

Kindly advise if you ever encountered this kind of monika. If you have not, kindly reject its emails or don't reply.

Thanks.

That monicker probably needs your email address. I suspect something sinister about it.

10 year old monicker without any single activity, yet it still comes online frequently,even up till yesterday.

Krak:


That monicker probably needs your email address. I suspect something sinister about it.

10 year old monicker without any single activity, yet it still comes online frequently,even up till yesterday.

Stop jumping into conclusions .

If you check that moniker, despite its age, it only has about 2 hrs of online presence. He's one of those who just read through a few front page topics and look for something better to do with his time. You've not seen worse. I've seen a moniker active since 2005 yet zero comments and it's still much active.