Nowenuse:


Oga pls there are no group of people who identify as Yoruba in Delta state. However, Itsekiris and Olukumis speak Yoruba based dialects, however, they do not identify as Yoruba.

Ok I was the one that brought Opc to Ishekiri land

Ilaje Mahins and Ishekiri are neighbors just like Uhrobo and Ijaws

All those tribe share the lower part of Western Niger Delta.


Anyways, how is this related to Republic of Middle Belt?

Sunshineg5:
Go to school, they won't

Read news, they won't

They would only listen to Radio Biafra all through.

Read Article below

http://saharareporters.com/2013/12/20/bloody-clash-averted-opc-inaugurates-itsekiri-chapter-delta


Ishekiri are not Edo oh, it's only their Monarch that came from Bini like Oba of Lagos.

And Egun are Aja language group, it has no bearing with urobo language. Unlike Ishekiri language which is Yorubiod.

Itsekiris are like a hybrid.
The majority of Itsekiri people are of Ijebu stock originally, but they were united under one crown by a Bini prince. This gave birth to the Itsekiri identity.
You cannot separate Itsekiri from Benin, cos that is where their royal families descend from.

This is also similar to the case among Delta Igbos and that is why a good percentage of them reject Igbo identity.

Sunshineg5:
Ok I was the one that brought Opc to Ishekiri land

Ilaje Mahins and Ishekiri are neighbors just like Uhrobo and Ijaws

All those tribe share the lower part of Western Niger Delta.


Anyways, how is this related to Republic of Middle Belt?

I was born, bred and lived all my life in Delta state.
The person who created this thread tagged me into this thread to contribute.

Nowenuse:


Itsekiris are like a hybrid.
The majority of Itsekiri people are of Ijebu stock originally, but they were united under one crown by a Bini prince. This gave birth to the Itsekiri identity.
You cannot separate Itsekiri from Benin, cos that is where their royal families descend from.

This is also similar to the case among Delta Igbos and that is why a good percentage of them reject Igbo identity.

How come olu of Ishekiri never wanted to leave the western region.

And Close to 90% of Ishekiri came from ijebu and her not bini

Anyways, unlike before they should be given a vote to determine where they want to belong.

Nowenuse:


I was born, bred and lived all my life in Delta state.
The person who created this thread tagged me into this thread to contribute.

Ok bruv your strength should be best saved for your Middle belt republic, let the Ishekiris have a vote to decide where they want to belong when the times come.

Sunshineg5:
Ha

Ishekiri are than 5% oh, They may not have huge land like the rest but have close to a million people in Delta state. Those that see themselves among them as pure Yorubas shouldn't be more than 100,000.

You are really trying hard to project Yoruba interests into Delta state. Good of you.
Itsekiris are not up to 1 million in Number. At most 500k.
They are the smallest ethnic group in Delta state among the 5. They can hardly have up to 10% of Delta state. From my calculations, I will give them 8% of Delta state.

And mind you, who are the Yorubas you are talking of in Delta state? Ilajes are settlers in Warri LGAs. Ugborodo people are Itsekiris, they have never denied that. They only reject the Olu crown.

Sunshineg5:
How come olu of Ishekiri never wanted to leave the western region.

And Close to 90% of Ishekiri came from ijebu and her not bini

Anyways, unlike before they should be given a vote to determine where they want to belong.

Of course, the day Itsekiris accept being called Yoruba, then that day the whole world accepts it.

Itsekiris knew that they did not have the numbers to compete with the Urhobos, Benins, Ijaws and Aniomas in a new Midwest state, that was why some wanted to remain in the Western region where Awo favored and protected them over others by virtue of them being Yoruba speakers.

Itsekiris are a Yoruba speaking people just like Igalas, but I wonder why Yorubas are not interested in Igalas, but always Itsekiri.

Sunshineg5:
From my observation as an outsider

Urhobo is by far the largest ethic group in Delta state

And I believe Anioma should follow

isoko should be third but historically Isoko are just Eastern Urhobo if I am not mistaken

Ijaw and Ishekiri should be similar in numbers

Urhobos are the largest in Delta state but by a tiny margin. The gap between Urhobo and Anioma is not wide.
Isokos and Ijaws are on a tie.

Itsekiris can never be close to Ijaws in numbers pls. That is an expensive joke.

Sunshineg5:
Urhobo were largely seen as part of bini groups in the old western and mid western region.

Everyone just called them Bendel

No, it wasn't just about that. Aniomas were more influential in Midwest region. In Bendel state, Binis were more influential closely followed by Urhobos.

Nowenuse:


You are really trying hard to project Yoruba interests into Delta state. Good of you.
Itsekiris are not up to 1 million in Number. At most 500k.
They are the smallest ethnic group in Delta state among the 5. They can hardly have up to 10% of Delta state. From my calculations, I will give them 8% of Delta state.

And mind you, who are the Yorubas you are talking of in Delta state? Ilajes are settlers in Warri LGAs. Ugborodo people are Itsekiris, they have never denied that. They only reject the Olu crown.



Of course, the day Itsekiris accept being called Yoruba, then that day the whole world accepts it.

Itsekiris knew that they did not have the numbers to compete with the Urhobos, Benins, Ijaws and Aniomas in a new Midwest state, that was why some wanted to remain in the Western region where Awo favored and protected them over others by virtue of them being Yoruba speakers.

Itsekiris are a Yoruba speaking people just like Igalas, but I wonder why Yorubas are not interested in Igalas, but always Itsekiri.

Bruv

Igala don't speak Yoruba

They speak a Language related to Yorubas

Ishekiri are actually Yorubas who didn't develop the modern Yoruba culture promoted by Oduduwa. Their remote location made them borrow culture like those of Uhrobos and Ijaws.

The Ishekiris bear Yoruba names unlike Igala. E.g.
Sola, Wumi, Ayo, Ire

Even Olu is a Yoruba world for a leader which Yorubas also use in Ibadan to refer to their king Olu ibadan (Even though the King of Ishekiri just like king in Lagos has a Bini origin). No Yoruba town calls their king Atta.

Ishekiri practice similar traditional religion as Yorubas called Ebura isese, Igala don't


Ishekiri can be whoever they want to be, but unlike before, let them make the choice this time.

Nowenuse:


Urhobos are the largest in Delta state but by a tiny margin. The gap between Urhobo and Anioma is not wide.
Isokos and Ijaws are on a tie.

Itsekiris can never be close to Ijaws in numbers pls. That is an expensive joke.

At least! Ishekiri were the first to embrace western education amongst the tribes in old Warri.

They have also been elected as the governor of Delta state.

Nowenuse:


Urhobos are the largest in Delta state but by a tiny margin. The gap between Urhobo and Anioma is not wide.
Isokos and Ijaws are on a tie.

Itsekiris can never be close to Ijaws in numbers pls. That is an expensive joke.

Explain well Are you adding isoko and warri as Urhobo.

Sunshineg5:
At least! Ishekiri were the first to embrace western education amongst the tribes in old Warri.

[s]They have also been elected as the governor of Delta state.

[/s]Deltans beg okowa to step down for Emmanuel because of ibori so is not by their power or population

Sunshineg5:
Bruv

Igala don't speak Yoruba

They speak a Language related to Yorubas

Ishekiri are actually Yorubas who didn't develop the modern Yoruba culture promoted by Oduduwa. Their remote location made them borrow culture like those of Uhrobos and Ijaws.

The Ishekiris bear Yoruba names unlike Igala. E.g.
Sola, Wumi, Ayo, Ire

Even Olu is a Yoruba world for a leader which Yorubas also use in Ibadan to refer to their king Olu ibadan (Even though the King of Ishekiri just like king in Lagos has a Bini origin). No Yoruba town calls their king Atta.

Ishekiri practice similar traditional religion as Yorubas called Ebura isese, Igala don't


Ishekiri can be whoever they want to be, but unlike before, let them make the choice this time.

Lol..... Igala people are originally a people of Yoruba stock just like Itsekiris. Igalas were colonized by Jukun people (Kwararafan empire), just the same way Itsekiris were colonized by Benins.

Igalas became farther from Yoruba unlike Itsekiri simply because the Ebiras who came from Kwararafa settled in between Igalas & Okuns and cut off Igalas from their Yoruba speaking brothers (Okuns).

Outside Ijebus & Ondo people, the average Yoruba person can understand Igala language better than Itsekiri language.
Kwararafan influence on Igalas was just too strong. Much stronger than the Benin influence on Itsekiris.

Mind you, Attah is a borrowed Kwararafan word for kingship in Igala.
Igalas call their Kings ONU just like Yoruba OLU.

That is why you have the ONU ANKPA and ONU ANYIGBA and ONU of all the other Igala towns and not ATTAH.

You Yorubas lost Itsekiris to the Benin, lost Igalas to the Kwararafans and partially lost Ilorin to the Fulanis.

Nwanyiogwashi:
[/s]Deltans beg okowa to step down for Emmanuel because of ibori so is not by their power or population

Even if they cried for okowa to allow Emmanuel to become the governor, it doesn't change the fact that an Ishekiri man has ruled Delta state.

Sunshineg5:
Even if they cried for okowa to allow Emmanuel to become the governor, it doesn't change the fact that an Ishekiri man has ruled Delta state.

And that may be their last.

Don't mind the dunce. Urhobo and Isoko were one before the separation some years back, infact, the isokos were called eastern urhobos.

Psalmy2cute:

see the languages under urhobo
I know some isoko people will say they're not urhobo.. they're just been ignorant or doing so for political purposes like local government etc.. dont be deceived

Nowenuse:


Lol..... Igala people are originally a people of Yoruba stock just like Itsekiris. Igalas were colonized by Jukun people (Kwararafan empire), just the same way Itsekiris were colonized by Benins.

Igalas became farther from Yoruba unlike Itsekiri simply because the Ebiras who came from Kwararafa settled in between Igalas & Okuns and cut off Igalas from their Yoruba speaking brothers (Okuns).

Outside Ijebus & Ondo people, the average Yoruba person can understand Igala language better than Itsekiri language.
Kwararafan influence on Igalas was just too strong. Much stronger than the Benin influence on Itsekiris.

Mind you, Attah is a borrowed Kwararafan word for kingship in Igala.
Igalas call their Kings ONU just like Yoruba OLU.

That is why you have the ONU ANKPA and ONU ANYIGBA and ONU of all the other Igala towns and not ATTAH.

You Yorubas lost Itsekiris to the Benin, lost Igalas to the Kwararafans and partially lost Ilorin to the Fulanis.

@ emboldened is where I know you don't know what you are saying.

I am from Oyo and partly Lagos and I can't hear a word of Igala language. I can even still manage to hear Ishekiri language a little bit

You have started formulating lies again just to prove a point.

Ishekiri were never conquered as there was no history of any war between Ishekiris and Bini, just like it's the case with Lagos

I repeat Igalas are not Yorubas and have never been Yorubas. They trace their orgin to Kwararafa, While 90% of Ishekiri trace their orgin to Jebu-Yorubas

We are not the same with the Igalas, we don't bear the same names or practice the same traditional religion.

Nwanyiogwashi:
And that may be their last.

And you want them to remain in a State or be part of Biafra over this

They sit on nearly 60% of Delta state oil along with the Ijaws in Warri southwest local government area

Sunshineg5:
And you want them to remain in a State or be part of Biafra over this

They sit on nearly 60% of Delta state oil along with the Ijaws in Warri southwest local government area

At the bold without any real development to show for it?

Parisian:
Don't mind the dunce. Urhobo and Isoko were one before the separation some years back, infact, the isokos were called eastern urhobos.

At the bold you mean they are no more as one

Parisian:
Don't mind the dunce. Urhobo and Isoko were one before the separation some years back, infact, the isokos were called eastern urhobos.

At the bold you mean they are no more as one.

Nwanyiogwashi:
At the bold without any real development to show for it?

They can also accuse you igbos in Delta state of using their money to develop Asaba like you often accuse the Yorubas on Lagos.

You people should work out your differences and stop fighting over nothing.

Nowenuse:


Lol..... Igala people are originally a people of Yoruba stock just like Itsekiris. Igalas were colonized by Jukun people (Kwararafan empire), just the same way Itsekiris were colonized by Benins.

Igalas became farther from Yoruba unlike Itsekiri simply because the Ebiras who came from Kwararafa settled in between Igalas & Okuns and cut off Igalas from their Yoruba speaking brothers (Okuns).

Outside Ijebus & Ondo people, the average Yoruba person can understand Igala language better than Itsekiri language.
Kwararafan influence on Igalas was just too strong. Much stronger than the Benin influence on Itsekiris.

Mind you, Attah is a borrowed Kwararafan word for kingship in Igala.
Igalas call their Kings ONU just like Yoruba OLU.

That is why you have the ONU ANKPA and ONU ANYIGBA and ONU of all the other Igala towns and not ATTAH.

You Yorubas lost Itsekiris to the Benin, lost Igalas to the Kwararafans and partially lost Ilorin to the Fulanis.

You're right.
Igalas and Itshekiri are Yoruboid languages.
If written, I'll understand them well.

Losing them doesn't mean anything.
At least, they're still yoruboid languages.

They can join us if they wish

Sammy07:



You're right.
Igalas and Itshekiri are Yoruboid languages.
If written, I'll understand them well.

Losing them doesn't mean anything.
At least, they're still yoruboid languages.

They can join us if they wish

Igalas are not Yoruba

We share no cultural similarities with Igala.

You can't hear a word of Igala's language

They don't bear Yoruba names.

They're talking of shell gas plant and this one is mentioning "home of nollywood movies". Nollywood movies that i can shoot in my parlour.

Nwanyiogwashi:
OK nice response

1.Anioma land have international airport

2.A shopping mall

3. one of the biggest steel companies in west Africa mainly Delta state steel and eastern metal

4.independent power plant by agip in ukwuani


5.$60m nnpc gas plant in ukwuani


6.international stadium


7.Home to nollywood movies


9.World class hotels


10.Admiralty university

11.Novena university


12.Delta state university Asaba campus

13.Delta state polytechnic ogwashi ukwu

14.Delta state college of education agbor

15.Federal college of education Asaba.

Bring it up I'm fully loaded

Socialjustice Psalmy2cute Mystiquefia darfay Nwanyiogwashi GreatChizzy

As an outsider (a non-southerner) who was born and bred in Delta state. I think I should be in a better position to give some good conclusive opinions as regards Urhobo and Anioma comparison without any bias.

POPULATION

This is something I have thought about and argued time and over with many Deltans.
My conclusion is that Urhobos are more than Aniomas, but the margin is not wide. It is slim.
Urhobos had a great population explosion in the last 100 years. Urhobos have clearly been giving birth to more children than Aniomas in the last century.

Judging population of an ethnicity based on number of LGAs or population census is wrong.

Urhobo LGAs are more urbanized and cosmopolitan than Anioma LGAs and as such the figures will always favor Urhobo in this regard.
Also, from my observation, there are more Anioma people living outside Anioma land than Urhobos living outside Urhobo land.

Urhobos migrated more than Anioma people in the past. There were so many Urhobo migrants in rural Benin, Lagos (Ajegunle) and even as far as Jos & Liberia, there were large Urhobo communities. However, a large chunk of these migrant Urhobos returned back home within the 80s, 90s and millenial years due to the economic oil boom and great urbanization in the Warri environs.

Aniomas on the other hand have a strong migrant population in the SE. In urban Benin & Lagos, Aniomas most likely outnumber Urhobos. Jos is the only city outside Delta state that Urhobos will likely outnumber Aniomas in Nigeria.
Rural Benin still has a strong Urhobo population. Rural Ondo/Ogun still has a strong Urhobo population.

Asaba just started developing recently, so it will take much time for it drag back Anioma people in large numbers.


So, Urhobos should stop bragging with the population of their LGAs. No, cos as it stands, Aniomas travel out of their homeland more than Urhobos right now.

Aniomas too should stop bragging with their 9 LGAs cos it has nothing on Urhobo population.

Who is deleting my mentions

Sunshineg5:
Who is deleting my mentions

Antibot ban my account for posing igala words

I'll type it.

Seerade029:

Antibot ban my account for posing igala words
I'll type it.

Ok what is your main?

Nowenuse:
Socialjustice Psalmy2cute Mystiquefia darfay Nwanyiogwashi GreatChizzy

As an outsider (a non-southerner) who was born and bred in Delta state. I think I should be in a better position to give some good conclusive opinions as regards Urhobo and Anioma comparison without any bias.

POPULATION

This is something I have thought about and argued time and over with many Deltans.
My conclusion is that Urhobos are more than Aniomas, but the margin is not wide. It is slim.
Urhobos had a great population explosion in the last 100 years. Urhobos have clearly been giving birth to more children than Aniomas in the last century.

Judging population of an ethnicity based on number of LGAs or population census is wrong.

Urhobo LGAs are more urbanized and cosmopolitan than Anioma LGAs and as such the figures will always favor Urhobo in this regard.
Also, from my observation, there are more Anioma people living outside Anioma land than Urhobos living outside Urhobo land.

Urhobos migrated more than Anioma people in the past. There were so many Urhobo migrants in rural Benin, Lagos (Ajegunle) and even as far as Jos & Liberia, there were large Urhobo communities. However, a large chunk of these migrant Urhobos returned back home within the 80s, 90s and millenial years due to the economic oil boom and great urbanization in the Warri environs.

Aniomas on the other hand have a strong migrant population in the SE. In urban Benin & Lagos, Aniomas most likely outnumber Urhobos. Jos is the only city outside Delta state that Urhobos will likely outnumber Aniomas in Nigeria.
Rural Benin still has a strong Urhobo population. Rural Ondo/Ogun still has a strong Urhobo population.

Asaba just started developing recently, so it will take much time for it drag back Anioma people in large numbers.


So, Urhobos should stop bragging with the population of their LGAs. No, cos as it stands, Aniomas travel out of their homeland more than Urhobos right now.

Aniomas too should stop bragging with their 9 LGAs cos it has nothing on Urhobo population.

The summary of this is : Urhobos are(is) more developed, Right?

Nwanyiokocha abi wetin you call yourself, come and see ooo.

Sunshineg5:
Igalas are not Yoruba

We share no cultural similarities with Igala.

You can't hear a word of Igala's language

They don't bear Yoruba names.

Speak for yourself.
I have heard countless Yorubas who told me they understood like 40-70% of what Igalas were saying.

Igala culture was heavily influenced by Jukun & Igbo, but the language is heavily of Yoruba root.