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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kellycute(m): 11:43am On May 20, 2020 |
ChrisKels:I've been around bro. I took a sabbatical leave from sport session due to non sporting activity at the moment but I'm back now. Thank for the shout out. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 11:43am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: You are talking about players with dual citizenship.. How many players can come straight from Nigerian clubs or academies to England and be given a work permit? We have discussed it before that footballers from francophone African countries find it easier to get into French teams straight from their home countries but the same doesn't apply to anglophone players in England.. Hence,they have better chance of getting into clubs outside of England...it has nothing to do with the championship being tough... Sorry,I can't give you names of coaches from other second tier leagues cus I really don't pay attention to second tier football... But I'm pretty sure that the likes of Hughes, Holloway,Pardew,etc can't cut it outside of England... David Moyes and Gary Neville exposed the incompetency of English coaches when they coached in Spain.. Heck,no English coach has ever won the premier league... 3 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:44am On May 20, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe: Actually we absolutely do not need the kind of tainted and corrupted experience that Amunike brings. We need a fresh approach without political alliances and cartels. Finidi has the knowledge and right uncorrupted experience and clear vision without distraction. I do not want Finidi to learns anything from the NFF whatsoever. There is nothing to learn but corruption and politics from them. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:45am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: That is why I said EPL coaching rejects are the stars of the championship. Not that they are special or out of this World. However, in Spain, you find Spanish coaches battling it out for the top jobs. That is due to their coaching class and it filters down to the lower leagues. I doubt the English championship coaches are of better class to the coaches in the lower leagues of Spain. The English coaches lack the tactical training and acumen to operate at that level. (I give Scott Parker an exemption.) 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:48am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: Ask Oliseh. The NFF sharks are not easy to deal with. It takes Wolves to protect Sheeps from Wolves. Finidi will need Amunike to manoeuvre through the maze. There comes the harshness, sabotages etc. You think Finidi is capable to swim in such shark-infected water? I say Amunike gets his chance. He already has his training and selection protocol. Finidi learns the ropes of the business. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Arabiandude: 11:52am On May 20, 2020 |
komekn:Go and sleep |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheLoneCitizen(m): 11:52am On May 20, 2020 |
elyte89: andrewbaba44: “Things did not go as planned in Monaco. I had problems with Jardim. He told me that after my 2nd match, he switched to a system with double strikers and no winger. “My normal position, the left-wing, was no longer needed. He asked me to keep calm and work. “I agreed to work without playing for a few months and didn’t tell me anything." He made just 2 starts and had 1 assist already. The coach reverted to the same 3-5-2 that won them the league in 2017. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:54am On May 20, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe: I have had experience of the lower teams in the Spanish league it's poor. I had some dealings 3/4 years ago with Cadiz it was pathetic and shocking. There is so little money in the Segunda many English league 1 clubs will compete with them. The coaching quality you talk about is only at the top levels of Spanish football. But you must appreciate you coach to reflect the football you are playing. the larger % of football in the Championship is kick and rush and the managers live and die with that philosophy. However, there are the smaller segment who still play good quality technical on the deck football and overcome the physicality with technicallity albeit fused with Athletic physicality. Deviation, why do you think Etebo couldn't just get going in the Championship. I was so dissapointed l thought the league would suit him and he would spring board to the EPL. But he simply failed to excited and dominate consistently. The ting suprise me. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:55am On May 20, 2020 |
ZikTzu: Anytime the NFF wants to give the Job to Harry Redknapp or Yobo, I say Amunike and Finidi get the nod after Rohr. Who over looks students of Van Gaal for Student of Dave Moyes? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 11:55am On May 20, 2020 |
TheLoneCitizen: Anyway me I believe in Henry sha 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 11:59am On May 20, 2020 |
sheyishemba:Hector Cupper? Harry Redknapp? Better to stick with Rhor or go for Kadiri Ikhana |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:00pm On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: I totally disagree with you. We saw when Las Palmas broke into the La Liga from the Liga B, their football was on par with some quality sides in the league. We saw when Girona was promoted to the La Liga. Machin (If I got it right) oozed of pure class. You forget that Guardiola and Luis Enrique are products of the lower leagues of Spain. Heck, even Zidane. I have been privileged to watch some of the Spanish junior team coaches like Lopetegui, Luis Milla and others. I tell you, their class in coaching is miles ahead of the English coaches. I doubt it is up for debate. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:01pm On May 20, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 12:05pm On May 20, 2020 |
Arabiandude:chei, comparing NT football with club football. Don't also forget that Liverpool (Rodgers) Arsenal (Wenger) once conceded 51 goals while playing attacking football, Norwich play attacking football and they've conceded 52 goals already. The key is play according to your strength no be by attacking football 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:05pm On May 20, 2020 |
Danielnino00: I don't know, but think you are probably right at least I recent times. But then why are we discussing English coaches when the EPL is dominated by European coaches. David Moyes is Scottish and honestly he's not the most technically astute. But he understands the English game and can do a decent job for you. I absolutely think Chris Houghton could coach on European and do very well, he is English. There is so much money in the Championship it's probably the richest second tier in the World. As a result a lot of the coaches from top teams on Europe are going there. In all honesty the topic is dead you only find English coaches dominating in the league 1 completely. The bold, Even without the work permit rules. They are already at a disadvantage. It depends on the age of the players involved, what age are we talking ❓ |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 12:09pm On May 20, 2020 |
komekn:Wolves have lasted cos they have money and for Bournemouth, let's just say there have always been worst teams. Clubs will prefer to buy players making waves in French/dutch top divisions than go for a championship player. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:12pm On May 20, 2020 |
jihday: I agree with Arabiandude. Whether National or club, it is football. It boils down to adopting a system and picking the right players for the system. The reason why we suffer here is because of the entitled players which end up equating to our strength. We have dropped our scouting, game play projections and training to suit a particular way. If we get a coach from the offensive football philosophy, he will get our team to play in an offensive fashion. We are limited by the tactical ability of the coach, his philosophical training and those drawing the strings around him. That is why I will keep push for coaches who grew up mentally under the offensive/possessive philosophy. As for Arsene Wenger, you can not blame the system when he decided not to have a quality defensive midfielder over the years. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 12:12pm On May 20, 2020 |
komekn:What has Finidi done to deserve the eagles job? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:12pm On May 20, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe: I don't know what exactly you disagree with. And what happened to Etebo in your opinion. Many European coaches sometimes are not tactically astute to adapt thier game to meet the challenges of the English game. Koeman outstanding coach became lost at Everton. It's much easier not easy just less problematic to coach when you have better players or players suited to the system you know how to coach. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by 5inchdick: 12:13pm On May 20, 2020 |
Arabiandude:You seem to forget they both had to get players who'd do that, a luxury one can't afford in a national team like the Super Eagles. The kind of players we claim to have do not look like they'll concede less, take the Lesotho game for example. As there are fans who prefer attacking football, there plenty of fans like me who'd prefer the results are gotten no matter what method. I'd prefer we won a top team while defending to losing ridiculously because I want to play attacking sexy football. National team is not Clubside. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 12:13pm On May 20, 2020 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:15pm On May 20, 2020 |
jihday: I really don't know. What are the requisites that make you deserving of the Eagles job. However, l think he is knowledgeable, informed, conversant and capable as well as of unquestionable integrity. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by macsam(m): 12:16pm On May 20, 2020 |
kellycute:welcome bro... |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 12:21pm On May 20, 2020 |
5inchdick:Please I need to like this post 5million times. Cc TheGoodJoe |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:22pm On May 20, 2020 |
komekn: Koeman was not lost. It was time (he needed more to mould his team) and keep in mind it was not Hughes and Pulis that was the challenge. Koeman was up against top managers. The talk is about English coaches and their Spanish counterparts. Trying to vilify a grandmaster like Koeman will not change the fact. The tactical orientation of the Spanish coaches trump that of the English coaches. Not EPL coaches where foreign coaches make the top bracket. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by jihday(m): 12:24pm On May 20, 2020 |
komekn:I'm tired of our exinternationals lazying around and waiting for the next job Nigeria have to offer them, they should go and look for job if not in Europe there are clubs in some African countries who will take them even our own NPFL, we don't owe them anything they should go and look for job and have a good CV |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by 5inchdick: 12:25pm On May 20, 2020 |
jihday:This exactly is the point instead of being blinded by the love of sexy football. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by 5inchdick: 12:35pm On May 20, 2020 |
TheGoodJoe:Germany National with Joachim Loew scored the most goals in the 2010 world cup playing defensively, even with their array of stars; the same team with Joachim Loew went on to win the 2014 world cup. I have the feeling they failed in the 2018 world cup because they played attacking football. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 12:38pm On May 20, 2020 |
5inchdick: Its simple...we over estimate our team as a whole,not knowing dt u can't give what u don't av 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 12:51pm On May 20, 2020 |
komekn:sorry. ...we don't want him. I won't mind choosing an home based over him sef . 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:52pm On May 20, 2020 |
5inchdick: World Cup 2010: Germany Coach Joachim Loew Reveals That Attacking Play Is The Only Way To Success Germany World Cup 2010 head coach Joachim Low has revealed the blueprint for the exciting attacking play which has his side on the cusp of success. “The plans for how we wanted to play at the World Cup have been thought over long and hard since the draw on December 4," Loew revealed. "Our analysis was quite clear: we could only win the World Cup by playing attacking football and making life difficult for other teams. "The way that Italy won the title in 2006, by defending and winning by a single goal, is no longer possible – you don’t get anywhere playing like that nowadays. We planned the World Cup all the way to the final.” https://www.goal.com/en/news/1863/world-cup-2010/2010/07/05/2010977/world-cup-2010-germany-coach-joachim-loew-reveals-that-attacking- I wonder where you got the idea of Joachim Loew being a defensive coach. Not his style and has never been his style. Look at the last paragraph of his quote. You will see that the idea of just holding your cards to your chest and winning anyway possible is passing fast. Look at the teams in recent years from National football, champions league to leagues across Europe. One thing is King, offensive/possessive play. You can go through games and tourneys trying to win games but from the German side, to be great, you prepare for greatness. Liverpool and Man City dominate because of preparation to dominate. From Germany, Spain, to an extent France, you see sides built for attacking fluency. Nigeria did not get to the height we did in US 94 and Atalanta 96 by defending and hoping on the gods to decorate us with good performance. We went toe-to-toe against some of the best and caused them problems. We need to change our orientation or get swept away by the tide of modern football. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:52pm On May 20, 2020 |
jihday: I can tell you that's categorically NOT TRUE. You have the elite group of the EPL top 6/7 teams that are really looking at the best across Europe. As well as the most outstanding in the Championship. That's why EPL clubs are looking at Adarabioyo and Eze amongst other players. The mid range to lower level of the EPL are looking at Championship outstanding players first. The first question always asked can these players from European leagues transition to the EPL without delay. The French league not too many questions asked but the lower you go in Europe they harder it gets. In this regard the a Eredivisie is not rated highly. You would have to be playing for Ajax and or very highly rated in the Eredivisie. The Eredivisie and Belgium are rated near 10th in Europe thar puts them in close to par with the Championship. But Championship players are more immediately adaptable to the EPL. That gives more preference to Championship players than Eredivisie and or the Belguim league. |
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