ChrisKels:


Where have you been

komekn:


You are taking about two different things and with different context.

Access to football for Nigerian players is a completely different topic just as is access to the French league very different for Francophone African countries.

There is no problem of access for UK players including Nigerian origin players to playing in Europe. The only problem is £££ UK pays the highest in general.

The top clubs in the EPL are just as technically astute as La Liga. However in general l think Last Liga is more technical.

However, there is too much disparity between the top teams and the mid level teams in Liga. And the low level teams if La Liga have a huge gap between the top and bottom.

You made the claim of average managers not l then pointed out a few for you, in the Championship.

Now I challenge you to name better qualified and experienced coaches in any second tier league in the whole of Europe than in the Championship.

Steve Bruce, Holloway, Hughes, Pulis are way above average managers the only one that's suspect is Pardew. So your comparison is not really hitting your claim.

TheGoodJoe:


Finidi looks clean and I agree to a large extent, he does not look hungry for money. However, Amunike will bring the experience which I feel is required to hit the ground running.

Amunike I think worked as an assistant for Keshi, worked as an assistant for the U17, coached the U17 and U20. Also coached in the AFCON (Tanzania). I feel the lessons of the past will play a pivotal role in his next coaching work and I feel is a recipe for success.

Finidi stays and learns the ropes when it comes with dealing with the challenges and understanding how to manage the Nigerian factor in coaching. If not he might get frustrated.

komekn:


The EPL is the most international league in Europe in its players and coaches.

That's spilled over into the Championship.

How many English coaches are in the EPL

Much more in the Championship but at least 20% are not even English in my opinion not based on fact just superficial observation.


Gary was a carpenter player and coach given undue favour and prominence.

komekn:


Actually we absolutely do not need the kind of tainted and corrupted experience that Amunike brings.

We need a fresh approach without political alliances and cartels.

Finidi has the knowledge and right uncorrupted experience and clear vision without distraction. I do not want Finidi to learns anything from the NFF whatsoever.

There is nothing to learn but corruption and politics from them.

komekn:


Wow !!! Have nothing to say, l thought we were having a objective discussion.

Not one under the bridge by Cele junction with intoxicated okada riders.

elyte89:



,person wey no c shirt for Monaco,just started playing @ gala b4 coronavirus hit, and all of a sudden he's d best,

andrewbaba44:


By not making Monaco team ?

TheGoodJoe:


That is why I said EPL coaching rejects are the stars of the championship. Not that they are special or out of this World. However, in Spain, you find Spanish coaches battling it out for the top jobs. That is due to their coaching class and it filters down to the lower league.

I doubt the English championship coaches are of better class to the coaches in the lower leagues of Spain. The English coaches lack the tactical training and acumen to operate at that level. (I give Scott Parker an exemption.)

ZikTzu:

We can do that after 2022.

TheLoneCitizen:





“Things did not go as planned in Monaco. I had problems with Jardim. He told me that after my 2nd match, he switched to a system with double strikers and no winger.
“My normal position, the left-wing, was no longer needed. He asked me to keep calm and work.
“I agreed to work without playing for a few months and didn’t tell me anything."

He made just 2 starts and had 1 assist already. The coach reverted to the same 3-5-2 that won them the league in 2017.

sheyishemba:


exactly and also have Better man management
the only problem is his 4 -1-4-1 and 4-4-2 formation which might fail in Nigeria moreover too NFF has lined up hector cuper(Argentina coach ) for rohr replacement for what am seeing rohr staying is not visible
NFF is insisting on a better coach

komekn:


I have had experience of the lower teams in the Spanish league it's poor. I had some dealings 3/4 years ago with Cadiz it was pathetic and shocking.

There is so little money in the Segunda many English league 1 clubs will compete with them.

The coaching quality you talk about is only at the top levels of Spanish football.

But you must appreciate you coach to reflect the football you are playing. the larger % of football in the Championship is kick and rush and the managers live and die with that philosophy.

However, there are the smaller segment who still play good quality technical on the deck football and overcome the physicality with technicallity albeit fused with Athletic physicality.

Deviation, why do you think Etebo couldn't just get going in the Championship. I was so dissapointed l thought the league would suit him and he would spring board to the EPL. But he simply failed to excited and dominate consistently. The ting suprise me.

andrewbaba44:


Anyway me I believe in Henry sha

Arabiandude:

Guardiola was playing attacking football at Barca and he was conceeding less than those playing DF.
Guardiola and Klop both plays AF at Man City and Liverpool and they both concede lesser goals compares to other English teams that plays DF.
Playing AF doesn't equates to conceding more if your tactics is good.

Play attacking football and keep the ball, your opponent won't even see the ball not to talk of scoring you

Danielnino00:


You are talking about players with dual citizenship..
How many players can come straight from Nigerian clubs or academies to England and be given a work permit?
We have discussed it before that footballers from francophone African countries find it easier to get into French teams straight from their home countries but the same doesn't apply to anglophone players in England.. Hence,they have better chance of getting into clubs outside of England...it has nothing to do with the championship being tough...

Sorry,I can't give you names of coaches from other second tier leagues cus I really don't pay attention to second tier football...

But I'm pretty sure that the likes of Hughes, Holloway,Pardew,etc can't cut it outside of England...

David Moyes and Gary Neville exposed the incompetency of English coaches when they coached in Spain..

Heck,no English coach has ever won the premier league...

komekn:


Frank Lampard, Nuno Santos, Rafael Benitez, Slaven Bilić, Marcelo Bielso, Chris Houghton to name a few past and present.

These are all average coaches above according to you.

The championship is the stepping stone to the EPL, if you can somehow with consistency play on the deck top quality technical football overcome the physicality and dominate.

You will become a very high quality player wanted by the top clubs.

There are many players who have come from the less physically intense and taxing leagues and struggled.

I consider Etebo to be one of the best Midfielders in Nigeria and indeed expected him to be the next Ngolo Nkante. But he struggled in the Championship and was largely anonymous.

Meanwhile Ovie, Eze and Adarabioyo have been outstanding this season. As was Tega, Aina, Tomori in seasons past where are they now, top of the game.

I would absolutely say it's easier for young players to get opportunity in France, Holland and Belgium. That could be ascribed as better development but it's debatable.

Apart from French league one the other leagues are not necessarily better than the Championship.

After how many years in the lower leagues why has Bournemouth and Wolves lasted do long.

The fact is that the EPL is the most competitive league in the world.

jihday:
chei, comparing NT football with club football. Don't also forget that Liverpool (Rodgers) Arsenal (Wenger) once conceded 51 goals while playing attacking football, Norwich play attacking football and they've conceded 52 goals already. The key is play according to your strength no be by attacking football

komekn:


I agree but would have Finidi as head he us not tainted with past experience of the NFF.

Finidi brings a clear perspective with clean hands and zero politics only a desire to succeed and he is not hungry for money.

TheGoodJoe:


I totally disagree with you.

We saw when Las Palmas broke into the La Liga from the championship, their football was on par with some quality sides in the league. We saw when Girona was promoted to the La Liga. Machin (If I got it right) oozed of pure class.

You forget that Guardiola and Luis Enrique are products of the lower leagues of Spain. Heck, even Zidane.

I have been privileged to watch some of the Spanish junior team coaches like Lopetegui, Luis Milla and others. I tell you, their class in coaching is miles ahead of the English coaches.

I doubt it is up for debate.

Arabiandude:

Guardiola was playing attacking football at Barca and he was conceeding less than those playing DF.
Guardiola and Klop both plays AF at Man City and Liverpool and they both concede lesser goals compares to other English teams that plays DF.
Playing AF doesn't equates to conceding more if your tactics is good.

Play attacking football and keep the ball, your opponent won't even see the ball not to talk of scoring you

komekn:


Gary Neville like his brother Philip was a carpenter as a player and a carpenter as a coach.

But given undue favour and prominence in English football hierarchy which is essentially very racist.

jihday:
What has Finidi done to deserve the eagles job?

kellycute:
I've been around bro. I took a sabbatical leave from sport session due to non sporting activity at the moment but I'm back now. Thank for the shout out.

5inchdick:

You seem to forget they both had to get players who'd do that, a luxury one can't afford in a national team like the Super Eagles. The kind of players we claim to have do not look like they'll concede less, take the Lesotho game for example.
As there are fans who prefer attacking football, there plenty of fans like me who'd prefer the results are gotten no matter what method. I'd prefer we won a top team while defending to losing ridiculously because I want to play attacking sexy football. National team is not Clubside.

komekn:


I don't know what exactly you disagree with.

And what happened to Etebo in your opinion.

Many European coaches sometimes are not tactically astute to adapt thier game to meet the challenges of the English game.

Koeman outstanding coach became lost at Everton.

It's much easier not easy just less problematic to coach when you have better players or players suited to the system you know how to coach.

komekn:


I really don't know.

What are the requisites that make you deserving of the Eagles job.

However, l think he is knowledgeable, informed, conversant and capable as well as of unquestionable integrity.

jihday:
chei, comparing NT football with club football. Don't also forget that Liverpool (Rodgers) Arsenal (Wenger) once conceded 51 goals while playing attacking football, Norwich play attacking football and they've conceded 52 goals already. The key is play according to your strength no be by attacking football

TheGoodJoe:


I agree with Arabiandude. Whether National or club, it is football. It boils down to adopting a system and picking the right players for the system.

The reason why we suffer here is because of the entitled players which end up equating to our strength. We have dropped our scouting, game play projections and training to suit a particular way.

If we get a coach from the offensive football philosophy, he will get our team to play in an offensive fashion. We are limited by the tactical ability of the coach, his philosophical training and those drawing the strings around him.

That is why I will keep push for coaches who grew up mentally under the offensive/possessive philosophy.

As for Arsene Wenger, you can not blame the system when he decided not to have a quality defensive midfielder over the years.

5inchdick:

You seem to forget they both had to get players who'd do that, a luxury one can't afford in a national team like the Super Eagles. The kind of players we claim to have do not look like they'll concede less, take the Lesotho game for example.
As there are fans who prefer attacking football, there plenty of fans like me who'd prefer the results are gotten no matter what method. I'd prefer we won a top team while defending to losing ridiculously because I want to play attacking sexy football. National team is not Clubside.

komekn:


Eze will play for Nigeria it's just a matter of time once he has sorted out his long term future.

5inchdick:

Germany National with Joachim Loew scored the most goals in the 2010 world cup playing defensively, even with their array of stars; the same team with Joachim Loew went on to win the 2014 world cup. I have the feeling they failed in the 2018 world cup because they played attacking football.

jihday:
Wolves have lasted cos they have money and for Bournemouth, let's just say there have always been worst teams. Clubs will prefer to buy players making waves in French/dutch top divisions than go for a championship player.