Resees:

But i see a lot of AAmericans moving there..Dont tell me they paid the 100k? I wouldnt mind buying a land and building up a cozy life over there just wish it will be in Nigeria instead

Kidron2020:


I feel for u bro. We live here and we cool. I own my own house at under 30, no mortgage, no tax.


CC: Egunmogaji, this fella needs u

RuudVanNisteroy:

You claim the expatriates that come to Nigeria are bottom of the barrel and they still come to the country as Project Managers and make $20-50K a month mostly due to the security premium they receive.

ogalawyer:
Hmmm.. Where is your evidence for this? $20-50k really??

RuudVanNisteroy:

The reason is black immigrants can fight in western countries to live another day. However, in their homeland any fight to change the status quo were the elite loot billions of dollars annually, they will face detention and live bullets.

Gerrard59:


Or maybe blacks should fight for same equality and development in their homelands just as Malaysians, Koreans, Japanese, Emiratis, Singaporeans etc. did? Or wouldn't you happy if there is a black dominated country like Germany or Malaysia?

Tobexin:
Lovely discussion out here

cc justwise do the needful

Gerrard59:


Quoted for reference purposes. Hopefully, life tarries long enough, I'll want to recheck this post in the year 2040.

surgical:
Even, the dangote,adenuga,otedola,has government help in their wealth

uthlaw:
you give me joy for this statement

Kidron2020:


I feel for u bro. We live here and we cool. I own my own house at under 30, no mortgage, no tax.


CC: Egunmogaji, this fella needs u

Resees:

What other african country can someone move to i like to live among my kind..

olalekan9320:
US is extreme, anywhere is not 100% safe but some places are far better. Nigerian police has killed more than corona in this lockdown.

every Nigerian youth should have a second passport

Gerrard59:




What about African students aspiring to study in the US? The vast majority don't bother to apply to top schools whereas Indians and Chinese do same. In the future, who do you expect as minorities to dominate top positions in the society? If there's a concerted effort by blacks to aim for the very highest standards in developed countries, there would be a change. I recall when I was applying to schools in the UK, a distant uncle advised I target the lowly ranked unknown universities, I objected. Explaining that as a black man from Nigeria, it's best to target the top universities as they offer more opportunities, valuable network and access to the top echelon of the society. He said no, that it's the best targeting these lowly ranked universities so that one would start from scratch.

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Resees:

Nigeria is developing and things are actually improving each day it might not be at the pace you all want it but they will get there and by the way the countries you all are running were fixed and fought to make it better by there citizens.you all need to fight to fix yoyr country as well

RuudVanNisteroy:

Where is the property located?

RuudVanNisteroy:
Every Nigerian has been affected by the insecurity plaguing the country. One of the memories I remember as a child was when my family got attacked by armed robbers along Benin-Ore expressway and later in my University days when my Dad got kidnapped for a week.

The reason most Nigerians choose to relocate abroad is to sleep with two eyes closed and to live in environment where the security of their family is guaranteed.

RuudVanNisteroy:
.Every Nigerian has been affected by the insecurity plaguing the country. One of the memories I remember as a child was when my family got attacked by armed robbers along Benin-Ore expressway and later in my University days when my Dad got kidnapped for a week.

The reason most Nigerians choose to relocate abroad is to sleep with two eyes closed and to live in environment where the security of their family is guaranteed.

JennyKadry2:


Many many years ago, I believe I was still in Primary School or early secondary school. My late father used to enjoy his evening walks. We always looked forward to his return because he would always buy us suya. On this faithful day he came back blood dripping from the back of his head. He was attacked by robbers, they collected his wallet and used an iron rod to hit him at the back of his head. Nigeria has been unsafe for a very long time

RuudVanNisteroy:

Citizens of G7 countries like USA have different requirement and it is easier for them to migrate to Botswana or Namibia. However, the rules are more stringent for Nigerian's partyly due to our record and reputation for staying in countries illegally.

sweetmelanin:


You've raised some good points so far... but regarding this snippet of your write up, I think it's fair to say that the reason why Nigerians apply to these "lower-ranking schools" is because they have a better chance of gaining admission. Top tier schools abroad will hardly take on students from African colleges/universities (except south Africa) due to the terribly poor standard of education these schools are globally known for, coupled with the fact that the average Nigerian graduate will finish with a 2:2 which is not enough to meet the criteria of these top tier universities abroad (not because these students are not bright, but because of the systematic rot within Nigerian universities which empowers lecturers to manipulate grades and play 'God' over the lives of their graduates)
.. so, for example, you can't expect a university like Imperial College to take on a 2:2 graduate from University of Ilorin on a Masters program.

Now I can't speak for the US or other countries but here in the UK, the ranking of the University you attend doesn't usually matter at the end so far as it's an accredited UK University..
.. and as long as you're not running for some political post or trying to work for Google or something, most corporate workplaces employ graduates from all ranks of universities irrespective of whether you graduated from UCL, Kings College or London South Bank .. if you are well packaged, attained a good grade and have relevant work experience, you will always have opportunities available to you.

sweetmelanin:


You've raised some good points so far... but regarding this snippet of your write up, I think it's fair to say that the reason why Nigerians apply to these "lower-ranking schools" is because they have a better chance of gaining admission. Top tier schools abroad will hardly take on students from African colleges/universities (except south Africa) due to the terribly poor standard of education these schools are globally known for, coupled with the fact that the average Nigerian graduate will finish with a 2:2 which is not enough to meet the criteria of these top tier universities abroad (not because these students are not bright, but because of the systematic rot within Nigerian universities which empowers lecturers to manipulate grades and play 'God' over the lives of their graduates)
.. so, for example, you can't expect a university like Imperial College to take on a 2:2 graduate from University of Ilorin on a Masters program.

Now I can't speak for the US or other countries but here in the UK, the ranking of the University you attend doesn't usually matter at the end so far as it's an accredited UK University..
.. and as long as you're not running for some political post or trying to work for Google or something, most corporate workplaces employ graduates from all ranks of universities irrepective of whether you graduated from UCL, Kings College or London South Bank .. if you are well packaged, attained a good grade and have relevant work experience, you will always have opportunities available to you.

Gerrard59:


You do have a great point there esp regarding the metric of average Nigerian students graduating with a 2.2 which most top western institutions will not accept. Unfortunately, there is no hard data to support the notion, but how many first class graduates from Nigerian universities over the years deliberately target top institutions in developed countries for advanced degrees? There are even ways to tweak the low percentage and one of such is by taking standardised tests - showing that irrespective of the perceived low standard of education, something good can come out from Nazareth. Unlike the UK where it is largely the financial status of the applicant that counts for a typical Nigerian graduate to attend a top institution, in the US, such does not really count as funding is guaranteed (I am focused on STEM disciplines) provided the applicant provides other sources of judging his/her abilities for graduate studies. Unfortunately, most will prefer to step-side the GRE - most popular standardised test for graduate studies - and aim for schools where it is not demanded. Unknowingly to them, this is a major deal breaker when it comes to funding (considering the low standards of the education of the applicant's homeland) and also a major precursor for further professional advancement. And these institutions that waive the GRE aren't really the top ones. Worse still, with the GRExit happening these days even by top universities, our people will not write it meanwhile the Indians and Chinese will still write it with the aim of getting funded. Funding is extremely important considering that over the past thirty years, Nigeria has retrogressed economically compared to China, India, Brazil, Vietnam, Malaysia etc.

Regarding the UK, I beg to disagree regarding how rankings of universities don't affect graduate employment. The Russell group of universities, the UK's equivalent to the Ivy Leagues in the US, Imperial Universities in Japan, C9 in China, TU9 in Germany, Grand Ecoles in France etc. disproportionately dominates graduation employment and salaries in the UK (https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/russell-group-dominates-uk-graduate-employment-charts). These universities offer opportunities to develop an invaluable network in the corporate world and scientific research. At the bold in your last paragraph, it is the more reason why blacks in developed countries should target top institutions knowing fully well their position in the society. If one is to see a black Chancellor of the Exchequer, the probability is higher when the individual studies PPE at Oxford rather than Business Administration at London South Bank University.

tensazangetsu20:

In addition to this, the university of Warwick a Russel group university still admits 2 2.

sweetmelanin:


You've raised some good points so far... but regarding this snippet of your write up, I think it's fair to say that the reason why Nigerians apply to these "lower-ranking schools" is because they have a better chance of gaining admission. Top tier schools abroad will hardly take on students from African colleges/universities (except south Africa) due to the terribly poor standard of education these schools are globally known for.

salford1:

They may state a 2.2 as an admission requirement, but when there are lots of people with better grades applying from all over the world, and there are class size limits, I guess the top students will get selected. I doubt such schools will use a First Qualified/First Admitted admission method. At some point, ordinary Robert Gordon in Scotland was a top school to apply for admission if one is looking to work in the oil and Gas industry both in Europe and Africa. 2.2 was a minimum requirement but I doubt if any 2.2. grad made it into the program.

My wife applied to UCL, Imperial and Oxford so many times she eventually gave up. She had an over 4.5 on a scale of 5 from OAU. She eventually gave up, and we made our way to Canada.

salford1:

The new crop of Nigerian students I frequently see making their way to top schools are graduates of Covenant University. It's not like the grads from CU are brighter than those that attended the likes of UI or UNN; however, the school gives them the grade they deserve. Grades that are directly proportional to the amount of effort the students puts in. Hence, lots of CU grads with first class grades.

To gain admissions to top schools in the world, we are looking at final average of 90% and above. Most Nigerian higher institution are churning out lots of graduates with 2.2s and 2.1s. The majority of Nigerian grads I have seen make it to the likes of Oxford and top schools in the US are the ones with very high second class averages or those with a first, and even at that, the competition is fierce for spots in those top schools. The competition is stiff out there. Those top universities receive far more applications from Indian and Chinese nationals with first class grades. Their population (India & China) ensures that their is a large number of them.

tensazangetsu20:


Your wife's grade is amazing. I think top western schools look for something more than just the grade. Things like accomplishments, extracurriculars and stuff like that.

Gerrard59:


It is why public universities in Nigeria should award more of the first class grade to deserving graduates instead of perpetuating the "A is for God" BS. This mentality harms Nigerian students who aspire to advance their education in top institutions. The worst of it are schools in the East of the Niger. No university in Eastern Nigeria (SE&SS) has convoked more than 100 first class graduates in a single session, none! Furthermore, it is even a taboo for a university in the same region to convoke a graduate with a CGPA of 5.0. This has happened thrice in a public university in the south west and I think once in a private university in the same region. What this implies is that in the future, we should expect to see more Nigerians from South Western Nigeria making exploits rather than from Eastern Nigeria based on the bold. However, there has been no study showing various IQ levels in both regions which could have judged the situation.

ogalawyer:
Hmmm.. Where is your evidence for this? $20-50k really??

RuudVanNisteroy:

Yes in the oil industry.
https://www.reuters.com/article/nigeria-pay/nigeria-tops-oil-expat-pay-table-headhunter-idUSL5E8EG2ZH20120319
https://allafrica.com/stories/201203200870.html

salford1:



I am shocked that some naija oil workers make that much. When I lived in Calgary, I had two neighbors that were wealthy. Both Nigerians and oil workers. One worked in Nigeria and the other worked in Angola. They bought homes in a very nice area of the city and had kids in private schools. They usually visit Canada everynow and then to see their food families (wife and kids). But then again, I also know some oil workers from naija that quit their jobs and moved to Canada with no job in sight. Maybe earnings depend on specialization/position, years of experience, remuneration of company in question etc.

RuudVanNisteroy:

He all have scars and psychological trauma from what we experienced in that country.