rvp2018:
I see you ran away from fact that 40% of agriculture would almost mean 200B - even if it's an industry - it;s probably beats India, China, Brazil, Indonesia, Russia..and other well-known Y giants..and yet we know the only agriculture you have that is half-decent is cocoa beans..where you trail Ghana. You killed palm oil.

Fertilizer is not manufactured from thin air. It's manufactured from either phosphorous like is found in Morocco or Ukraine - or from petro-chemicals like is found in Oil.

What Kenya can do and does - is to just blend fertilizers.

I see u ran away from d fact that 53% would be above $30b..even if its an industry, it'lo probably beat Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam and well known agri-giants. The only known agric products u have is tea and flowers...

Dlonra:

The GDP value is entirely generated by the East African work force and that's all that really matters. Nigeria is living a big lie with 90% of its economy being oil based benefiting nobody but a selected few. It's even embarrassing that a Country like south Africa with a lower GDP has 20 times better living standards than Nigeria. A global poverty capital is nothing to be proud of.

Speaking of poverty. .Kenya has 45m poor people making about 94% of her population. ..what do you have to say about. .atleast poverty has started dropping tremendousl g here..what about kenya. ?

Dlonra:


West Africa has no City . Seriously how did Kano, Lomé, Kumasi, Benin and the likes qualify as Cities

Kano our third tier city is more developed than mombasa your second slum tier city...

It even has more flyovers than any counties in kenya outside nairobi ....
It's has has better roads that are in good conditions compared to your broken down road in Mombasa riddle with mega potholes.

rvp2018:
This is Athi River - Great Wall - there is Chinese who has invested lots of money there. Nairobi Metro once it's completely build will mean Nairobi has overtaken Gauteng. I give it another 10yrs - for Nairobi to stretch to most parts of Kiambu, Machakos, Kajiado and even Muranga - and Makueni. Nairobi will have radius of nearly 100kms son - also Nakuru - with Naivasha Dry port and Industrial Park will be in play soon. Which is why we need a serious metro line - that will radiate 60-100kms from the city.

I heard the route was suffered back in 2013 but State House self centeredness failed to prioritize the project. It should've begun by now-Thika to Nairobi SHOULD have been at least half way built by now. Let me consult someone.

Dlonra:


Kigali beats Abuja

No its doesn't but I can tell you for free that it is better than nairobi and yoyr second slum mombasa. .

Outside the tiny city center of kigali the rest part of a it has a large gap in urban development. ..it's more of a road less dusty town outside the city center. .

We did the analysis and when you're ready we can compare kenya and Ghana. Kenyais well known agriculture exporter - Nigeria NOPE.

theenchanter:
I see u ran away from d fact that 53% would be above $30b..even if its an industry, it'lo probably beat Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam and well known agri-giants. The only known agric products u have is tea and flowers...

Dlonra:

Enugu is a Village. Stop fooling yourself

What you are posting is villages and towns hovering around tge city..more like what you call nairobi metro....and it's even an old pic. .get updated pls. .

Btw,ate you ready let run comparism "enugu vs mombassa "...we will check everything from roads,airport,stadium,mode of transport be it train or brt...are you ready cos I am game...

We need Nairobi Metro Ministry - that is really focused on such issues.

kikuyu2:

I heard the route was suffered back in 2013 but State House self centeredness failed to prioritize the project. It should've begun by now-Thika to Nairobi SHOULD have been at least half way built by now. Let me consult someone.

rvp2018:
We did the analysis and when you're ready we can compare kenya and Ghana. Kenyais well known agriculture exporter - Nigeria NOPE.

obaaderemi did ur analysis and when u're ready u can compare Kenya with Senegal.Kenya is not a well known agriculture exporter..

samorobo:
The third world zoo..As expected from the slumpolis..

Nairobi..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLIF7emNxcE

Kitengela isn't in Nairobi County you dimwit, it's only part of the greater Metropolitan.

Nigeria fake agriculture and GDP is exposed by its deep poverty and dependency on Oil. Remove Oil and you're down and out.

theenchanter:
obaaderemi did ur analysis and when u're ready u can compare Kenya and Senegal. Kenya is not a well known agriculture exporter..

rvp2018:
Nigeria fake agriculture and GDP is exposed by its deep poverty and dependency on Oil. Remove Oil and you're down and out.

Kenya's fake agriculture and GDP is exposed by its deep poverty and dependency on lies.... Remove lies and u're down n out.

Let me try take 1,0001.
In Kenya agriculture is 25% - when we have drought - our economy takes a BIG hit.
Nigeria has supposedly agriculture of the same -25 (as a sector) -40% (as an industry) - and you never hear it getting into trouble because of drought or such weather vagaries.

But if Oil catches a cold - Nigeria economy goes into ICUs almost immediately. ANd you hear Oil is just 9% of our FAKE ECONOMTY

GDP can be cooked but you cannot cook reality of endemic poverty in Nigeria as we speak.

How can 9% of economy contribute to 95% of exports and 90% of gov revenues - 25% of all bank loans - name it.

If we have a sector that contribute 9% of our economy like manufacturing - going down - we would feel almost very little effect.

theenchanter:
Kenya's fake agriculture and GDP is exposed by its deep poverty and dependency on lies.... Remove lies and u're down n out.

samorobo:


Kano our third tier city is more developed than mombasa your second slum tier city...

It even has more flyovers than any counties in kenya outside nairobi ....
It's has has better roads that are in good conditions compared to your broken down road in Mombasa riddle with mega potholes.

Kano is a Village. The only City in Nigeria is shitty Lagos, the rest are Village IDP Camps spreading miles. Mombasa on the other hand is a well established City hosting the Second Largest Port in Africa and a mejor get away City in the world. The SGR terminal in Mombasa is bigger than the Largest airport in West Africa & way modern. Who in his right mind would even pick Kano village over Mombasa? The guys in Kano would give anything to relocate to Mombasa.

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KANO is the ultimate Slumpolis. I think it's beat Kinshasa. The town is an expansive slumpolis - I wish we can get drone picture of it. At least Lagos has little victoria Island to cover her unclothedness.

KANO is like Daadab or Kakuma refugees camp in kenya.

Dlonra:


Kano is a Village. The only City in Nigeria is shitty Lagos, the rest are Village IDP Camps spreading miles. Mombasa on the other hand is a well established City hosting the Second Largest Port in Africa and a mejor get away City in the world. The SGR terminal in Mombasa is bigger than the Largest airport in West Africa & way modern. Who in his right mind would even pick Kano village over Mombasa? The guys in Kano would give anything to relocate to Mombasa.

Kazikazi:
Jakarta and Surabaya are OK,the rest are behind many African cities.
I think south Korea is the one we should copy

I agree that South Korea is the one we should copy, but at the moment it is almost impossible for any African countries to emulate SK's way. The closest one we should copy would be either Indonesia or Thailand.

There are many Indonesian cities that are better than African cities. I am not talking about the highrise buildings, but the infrastructure and the quality of the cityscape. Many of its 4th or 5th tier cities are well equipped with modern trains, wide sidewalks and huge airports.

For example like Medan. It is the 5th largest city in Indonesia, but it has skytrain and a 4 star airport rated by Skytrax. In Africa, there is only one 4 star airport rated by Skytrax, Cape Town International Airport.

Medan, population 2.1 million

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Tangerang is another Indonesian city that is unknown outside of the country. It is home to 1.5 million people. Currently, Tangerang hosts some of the headquarters of largest companies in Indonesia.

Makassar is the largest city in eastern Indonesia. Its population is around 1.3 million. Its airport's capacity is larger than any airports in Nigeria or Kenya.

Nigeria and Indonesia were twins - same oil - same population- same nearly everything - but while Indonesia has moved so much ahead - Nigeria has moved so much backwards.

rainmon:


I agree that South Korea is the one we should copy, but at the moment it is almost impossible for any African countries to emulate SK's way. The closest one we should copy would be either Indonesia or Thailand.

There are many Indonesian cities that are better than African cities. I am not talking about the highrise buildings, but the infrastructure and the quality of the cityscape. Many of its 4th or 5th tier cities are well equipped with modern trains, wide sidewalks and huge airports.

For example like Medan. It is the 5th largest city in Indonesia, but it has skytrain and a 4 star airport rated by Skytrax. In Africa, there is only one 4 star airport rated by Skytrax, Cape Town International Airport.

Medan, population 2.1 million

rainmon:


I agree that South Korea is the one we should copy, but at the moment it is almost impossible for any African countries to emulate SK's way. The closest one we should copy would be either Indonesia or Thailand.

There are many Indonesian cities that are better than African cities. I am not talking about the highrise buildings, but the infrastructure and the quality of the cityscape. Many of its 4th or 5th tier cities are well equipped with modern trains, wide sidewalks and huge airports.

For example like Medan. It is the 5th largest city in Indonesia, but it has skytrain and a 4 star airport rated by Skytrax. In Africa, there is only one 4 star airport rated by Skytrax, Cape Town International Airport.

Medan, population 2.1 million

What I love about Indonesia is their landscape. I think,in my view,Indonesia is the most beautiful nation on earth by natural attractions.Brazil might follow and then TZ will be third!

Infrastructure wise,am not much impressed,although they are developing quite well.Why it is not easy to emulate South Korea?

Medan city is far behind common African cities like Jo'burg,Luanda,etc

rainmon:
Makassar is the largest city in eastern Indonesia. Its population is around 1.3 million. Its airport's capacity is larger than any airports in Nigeria or Kenya.

Dar es salaam Tanzania is ahead of your Makasar

Kazikazi:
What I love about Indonesia is their landscape. I think,in my view,Indonesia is the most beautiful nation on earth by natural attractions.Brazil might follow and then TZ will be third!

Infrastructure wise,am not much impressed,although they are developing quite well.Why it is not easy to emulate South Korea?

Medan city is far behind common African cities like Jo'burg,Luanda,etc

I believe, for a country, the key to improve significantly is by laying the foundation for the developments. Without infrastructure, economy wouldn't run as expected. That's what China did in 90's. Many Asian countries follow suit such as Indonesia, Vietnam and now Bangladesh.

I can tell that Ethiopia is trying to emulate the Asian way. If only we could get rid of the corruption..

rainmon:

I believe, for a country, the key to improve significantly is by laying the foundation for the developments. Without infrastructure, economy wouldn't run as expected. That's what China did in 90's. Many Asian countries follow suit such as Indonesia, Vietnam and now Bangladesh.

I can tell that Ethiopia is trying to emulate the Asian way. If only we could get rid of the corruption..

Are you Ethiopian?

Yes infrastructure is the basic.Many other stuff are important too.
Look at Vietnam, it don't have a great infrastructure like SA.But the Vietnam is doing so fine in terms of growth

Dlonra:


Kigali beats Abuja

Do you know what you're saying at all?

Let me even agree with you pls in terms of what?

Now that the mumu is out with his half-baked education.... This is how it economics works, starting with d basis (very important)

GDP ..... Its the value of goods and services in a country at a stipulated time, usually yearly.
To break it down to rvp2018's level.... Imagine u own a store and have a piggy bank where u keep profits (income - expenses) after d day's job.

GDP GROWTH ...... Its d indicator of how the country's economy is growing, its usually pegged against the previous quarter growth, and finally yearly.
To break it down to rvp2018's level.... Assuming u had $200 at d end of 2019 in ur piggy bank and business boomed between Jan-April to d point that u save $6 then ur GDP growth rate for first quarter 2020 is 3%

SECTORS ..... These are the drivers of d economy, the goods and services traded
To break it to rvp2018's level..... Now, ur store has different varieties of goods, u sell electrical/electronic gadgets, oil products, agricultural products... In fact, u render customer service to ur customers.

Sector's contribution to economy .... Rvp's store will surely have some particular goods that sells than the other, some may not sell much but have high profit margin, some has low profit margin but sells very much, hereby keeping people employed.... But they fluctuate at any and every time.

If at d end of the year, rvp checked his piggy bank and saw $220 (after paying staffs and clearing his bills), then his store's "GDP" growth for that year is 10%.

Here's where rvp2018 got it wrong.... He thought % of sectors can be calculated to give u overall figure of a country's GDP when in actual fact, its only for a particular year.
If a country's agricultural sector is 40% or 50%, it doesnt mean u should calculate it against d GDP, thats gross.... It only means that agriculture accounts for 40% in that particular year. Like in rvp's store, since rvp gained $20, assuming he sold agricultural products worth $8, then his agric sector is 40% (for that year).... It may fall to 35% d following year and rise to 43% the one after.

rvp2018:
Let me try take 1,0001.
In Kenya agriculture is 25% - when we have drought - our economy takes a BIG hit.
Nigeria has supposedly agriculture of the same -25 (as a sector) -40% (as an industry) - and you never hear it getting into trouble because of drought or such weather vagaries.

[But if Oil catches a cold - Nigeria economy goes into ICUs almost immediately. ANd you hear Oil is just 9% of our FAKE ECONOMTY[/b]

GDP can be cooked but you cannot cook reality of endemic poverty in Nigeria as we speak.

How can 9% of economy contribute to 95% of exports and 90% of gov revenues - 25% of all bank loans - name it.

If we have a sector that contribute 9% of our economy like manufacturing - going down - we would feel almost very little effect.

Nigeria has not sell a drop of oil for close to 2months, we have barges of unsold oils on Intl waters. Even if eventually sold, its at a loss and Nigeria hasn't shiver.

What's ur next excuse?

Nigeria economy is in ICU..compared to say Kenyan. Your currency exchange has dropped from 305 to nearly 390. Kshs has dropped from 104 to 107. Black market rate is trending towards 500. You have a budget deficit of 50%. I haven't bothered to check inflation Analyst are predicting Venezuela like meltdown.

theenchanter:
Nigeria has not sell a drop of oil for close to 2months, we have barges of unsold oils on Intl waters. Even if eventually sold, its at a loss and Nigeria hasn't shiver.

What's ur next excuse?

rvp2018:
Nigeria economy is in ICU..compared to say Kenyan. Your currency exchange has dropped from 305 to nearly 390. Kshs has dropped from 104 to 107. Black market rate is trending towards 500. You have a budget deficit of 50%. I haven't bothered to check inflation Analyst are predicting Venezuela like meltdown.

all these are pus from ur brain trickling down to ur bucaal cavity.

You're an illiterate like many Nigerians.GDP is an estimate of the value of goods and services produced annually in a country - and there are many ways to calculate or guestimate it. Keyword ESTIMATE. It's not money in some accounts. GDP growth is rather obvious to be explained, don't you think. Sectors and Industries are how economies can be sub-divided. Most economies use UN Stats standards for example ISIEC (we are now on rev4) and most products HS codes are pretty much the standard way to measure economies...Sectors don't swing wildly - agriculture cannot contribute 40% today and 10% tomorrow...except of course if the contribution to growth - which picks the booming sectors..

theenchanter:
Now that the mumu is out with his half-baked education.... This is how it economics works, starting with d basis (very important)

GDP ..... Its the value of goods and services in a country at a stipulated time, usually yearly.
To break it down to rvp2018's level.... Imagine u own a store and have a piggy bank where u keep profits (income - expenses) after d day's job.

GDP GROWTH ...... Its d indicator of how the country's economy is growing, its usually pegged against the previous quarter growth, and finally yearly.
To break it down to rvp2018's level.... Assuming u had $200 at d end of 2019 in ur piggy bank and business boomed between Jan-April to d point that u save $6 then ur GDP growth rate for first quarter 2020 is 3%

SECTORS ..... These are the drivers of d economy, the goods and services traded
To break it to rvp2018's level..... Now, ur store has different varieties of goods, u sell electrical/electronic gadgets, oil products, agricultural products... In fact, u render customer service to ur customers.

Sector's contribution to economy .... Rvp's store will surely have some particular goods that sells than the other, some may not sell much but have high profit margin, some has low profit margin but sells very much, hereby keeping people employed.... But they fluctuate at any and every time.

If at d end of the year, rvp checked his piggy bank and saw $220 (after paying staffs and clearing his bills), then his store's "GDP" growth for that year is 10%.

Here's where rvp2018 got it wrong.... He thought % of sectors can be calculated to give u overall figure of a country's GDP when in actual fact, its only for a particular year.
If a country's agricultural sector is 40% or 50%, it doesnt mean u should calculate it against d GDP, thats gross.... It only means that agriculture accounts for 40% in that particular year. Like in rvp's store, since rvp gained $20, assuming he sold agricultural products worth $8, then his agric sector is 40% (for that year).... It nay fall to 35% d following year and rise to 43% the one after.

obaaderemi:
Dumbo, the two kinds of debts are very risky. Any kind of debt is risky. Even an illiterate drunkard like you should be familiar with the saying: he who goes a borrowing goes a sorrowing.

SOuth Africa's external debt is huge! But their domestic debt is also big . If their external debt is about $100bn, how are they going to print rands to escape a default, you idiot? The printing of local currency to pay debt can only be done in case of domestic debt. And if they try that at their current rate of 6% inflation, then their country would fall into bigger trouble as inflation would spiral up and make many poor. In that case it is wiser to default than to print money like Idi Amin.
You know zilch about international finance! You proved it again. Quantitative Easing is used to increase inflation in countries where the inflation is already too low. This is going to reenergize the economy and make people spend more, especially locally produced goods. Europe and America can risk this, not South Africa which imports more than it exports like Kenya!
Inflation rate in EU at the time was less than 1%. South Africa's is 6%, idiot. You are comparing apples and bananas.

If South Africa's debt is mainly domestic, then you are talking of over $100bn. If they print that much, they'll sink. Nigeria doesn't do that and won't. That may be an option for Kenya. But not Nigeria.
I don't even want to talk about Kenya's debt. Nigeria and South Africa are big economies that can somehow find a way round their debt problems, but Kenya can not. With a debt at 100% of your $6Obn GDP, you are finished. As in Kaput.

Do people even bother just googling South Africas inflation rate??

FYI its not 6% its 4.6%