Numbers 23:19..God is not a man or a human being... Jesus if at all he is a real historical figure can't be God... People should learn to draw the line.. THE tanakh is the Hebrew scriptures.. The Romans stole it and added their paganism at the end of Malachi.. With the sole intention of deceiving just as Daniel prophesied in 7:25 and make mockery of the creator.. Who is outside space and time...

sonmvayina:
Numbers 23:19..God is not a man or a human being... Jesus if at all he is a real historical figure can't be God... People should learn to draw the line.. THE tanakh is the Hebrew scriptures.. The Romans stole it and added their paganism at the end of Malachi.. With the sole intention of deceiving just as Daniel prophesied in 7:25 and make mockery of the creator.. Who is outside space and time...

infact I just don't want to write about some things,i think Christianity was tampered with along the line. I wept in my closet, though I'm still a sinner too.

Rozz:
infact I just don't want to write about some things,i think Christianity was tampered with along the line. I wept in my closet, though I'm still a sinner too.

God only gave us laws to guide us in making good choices.. Christianity is nothing but idolatry worshipping a god created in the image and likeness of a man, something condemned in the, 2nd commandment..

God gave us free will, but gave us laws to guide us in making good choices, so that we can have a better and fulfilled human experience. End of the day the body will return back to Earth and the spirit back to God, who gave it....

Rozz:
My Pastor has already summon me over the message I sent to him regarding Trinity.I know it won't be funny

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He can't afford to lose one source of income.... Just do the Maths , from January to December..

The truth is NOT what your Pastor says but rather what you have found out to be true such as Revelations 1:4-6.. Rev 3:5,12,21.
No Pastorpreneur can TWIST IT.

Acehart just TORCHLIGHT it for you to discover the nail sealing the coffin of his fake doctrine.

Rozz:
My Pastor has already summon me over the message I sent to him regarding Trinity.I know it won't be funny

You're just a young lady still struggling to survive, you're not a major contributor in TITHES and OFFERINGS so no Pastor will not have much issue loosing you to another Church.

But the main reason why they're scared of loosing any member to JWs is like double loos to them.

(1) Not coming to grace the church again.
(2) The contribution (income) decreases.

Those are by the way then comes the agonizing part!

Any member that comes close to you will learn new things, they will realize you're now vast in Bible knowledge than they are, they will also notice that you're now wiser, honest ones may like to come closer to you and that will make more members realize the difference between being a Churchgoer and a competent Bible Scholar, even if some doesn't like talking to you before what about their friends who are now gaining more insight from you?

That's when you'll be shocked as Pastor start telling them evil things about you to scare his members from further dealings with you! Matthew 5:11-12

MuttleyLaff:
"But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative
—that is, the Holy Spirit—He will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you."
- John 14:26

"When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all truth.
He will not speak on his own but will tell you what he has heard.
He will tell you about the future."
- John 16:13

God, is not a God of confusion and the scripture doesn't have inconsistencies and contradictions. You are right, one requires the Spirit of Truth who guides believers in all truths

MuttleyLaff is NOT HONEST.
Bros, Why ?
See the screenshot.....
In MuttleyLaff's Opinion, "God is NOT a known number of person...."
Triune pagan deity devotee
Trinitarians are wedded to DISHONESTY.
LIARS & FORGERS indeed.

Wow... see how all that quickly went south.

Rozz:
infact I just don't want to write about some things,i think Christianity was tampered with along the line. I wept in my closet, though I'm still a sinner too.

I think you are sincere in your search for God but you may be going about it the wrong way depending on the doctrines of men.
When I said earlier that no man gets the glory for my surrender, I meant it. God Himself is who I called on to reveal His truth to me, and He did it as He promised many thousand of years ago that He would.

Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34
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31. This is what the Lord said, “The time is coming when I will make a new agreement with the family of Israel and with the family of Judah.
32. It will not be like the agreement I made with their ancestors. I made that agreement when I took them by the hand and brought them out of Egypt. I was their master, but they broke that agreement.” This message is from the Lord.

33. “In the future I will make this agreement with the people of Israel.” This message is from the Lord. “I will put my teachings in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
34. People will not have to teach their neighbors and relatives to know the Lord, because all people, from the least important to the most important, will know me.” This message is from the Lord. “I will forgive them for the evil things they did. I will not remember their sins.”

Kobojunkie:
Wow... see how all that quickly went south.
I think you are sincere in your search for God but you may be going about it the wrong way depending on the doctrines of men.
When I said earlier that no man gets the glory for my surrender, I meant it. God Himself is who I called on to reveal His truth to me, and He did it as He promised many thousand of years ago that He would.

what went south?

Hi rozz, I can understand what you are going through because I've been through it myself (the doubts, the questions and lack of adequate answers to these questions by those close to us). I can assure you, you are not alone in this.
Luckily for us, there have been those who have dedicated their lives in finding and giving adequate answers to these questions and we can pull from their works as we push on in faith. Please be rest assured that all the main tenets of the Christain faith including the trinity is firmly intact and unshakable.

This video by Ravi Zacharias is a good conceptual understanding of the trinity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kreSbagj_RM

If you would like a longer and more detailed lecture series that dive more into the theological aspects, kindly ask. I would be more than happy to recommend some videos.
Have a good one.

PS: just as an aside, on your worry about the word trinity not appearing in the Bible, there's a powerful statement that I heard a long time ago. "Words don't have meanings, meanings have words".
Basically concepts come first, then we later come up with words that encompasses these concepts. Eg the idea of individuals starting enterprises has been around long before the word "entrepreneur" came into existence and the idea of justification has been in the Jewish thought long before Paul wrote the word justification in the NT to encompass ideas that had been forming since the days of the OT prophets.
So you need not bother ,cos even though the word doesn't appear, the idea itself is deeply rooted in the gospels, the letters of Paul and even goes all the way back to the OT.
As for the part of if the Bible has been corrupted. This video might help in giving a good overview (it's a bit long but it's worth it).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ5cgQUJnrI

jamesid29:
Hi rozz, I can understand what you are going through because I've been through it myself (the doubts, the questions and lack of adequate answers to these questions by those close to us). I can assure you, you are not alone in this.
Luckily for us, there have been those who have dedicated their lives in finding and giving adequate answers to these questions and we can pull from their works as we push on in faith. Please be rest assured that all the main tenets of the Christain faith including the trinity is firmly intact and unshakable.

This video by Ravi Zacharias is a good conceptual understanding of the trinity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kreSbagj_RM

If you would like a longer and more detailed lecture series that dive more into the theological aspects, kindly ask. I would be more than happy to recommend some videos.
Have a good one.

PS: just as an aside, on your worry about the word trinity not appearing in the Bible, there's a powerful statement that I heard a long time ago. "Words don't have meanings, meanings have words".
Basically concepts come first, then we later come up with words that encompasses these concepts. Eg the idea of individuals starting enterprises has been around long before the word "entrepreneur" came into existence and the idea of justification has been in the Jewish thought long before Paul wrote the word justification in the NT to encompass ideas that had been forming since the days of the OT prophets.
So you need not bother ,cos even though the word doesn't appear, the idea itself is deeply rooted in the gospels, the letters of Paul and even goes all the way back to the OT.
As for the part of if the Bible has been corrupted. This video might help in giving a good overview (it's a bit long but it's worth it).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZ5cgQUJnrI

wao thanks alot

Jesus' illustration of the sower can't be overemphasized! Matthew 13:3-9; 18-23

The journey to Paradise is not that far

But

THERE ARE MANY (SO MANY) RIVERS TO CROSS!

Rozz:
what went south?

The conversation

Rozz:
Im not a JW but this Trinity stuff is somehow.You can never win an argument on Trinity with a JW,they seems to have alot to back up their argument.

If you're the one in the pix, thumbs up.

Rozz:
wao thanks alot

You are welcome... Have a wonderful day

jamesid29:
Hi rozz, I can understand what you are going through because I've been through it myself (the doubts, the questions and lack of adequate answers to these questions by those close to us). I can assure you, you are not alone in this.
Luckily for us, there have been those who have dedicated their lives in finding and giving adequate answers to these questions and we can pull from their works as we push on in faith. Please be rest assured that all the main tenets of the Christain faith including the trinity is firmly intact and unshakable.

This video by Ravi Zacharias is a good conceptual understanding of the trinity.
h t tps://youtu.be/kreSbagj_RM

jamesid29 hey, long time no see around.

Baba Ravi Zacharias RIP, nailed the concept of trinity on its head.

Fact is, God can't be boxed. I love the multi-dimensional illustration Baba used and so why I stamped my like on that post.

It's the Trinity doctrine that makes the Bible look like it contradicts itself. If the Three are not different entities how do you explain 1Cor 11:3 (
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God). Or Daniel's prophecy of seeing the Ancient Of Days with One like the Son Of Man brought to Him. Is that Son Of Man Christ? It seems so. But does the passage point out to the Ancient Of Days being the same as the Son Of Man? Definitely no.

Janosky:

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Revelations 1:4-6

John,

To the seven churches in the province of Asia:

Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne,
5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,
6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen."

Cc :
Rozz : please take note of the BOLDED.

Acehart won't explain why Jesus Christ in heaven serves his God and Father with humans chosen from the earth. .

The Acehart came here to needlessly cast JWs but ended up EXPOSING his FRAUD doctrine.

Is the spiritual realm Superior to the physical realm ? Yes !!!
Revelations 1:4-6, PROOF, Jesus Christ WORSHIP his God and Father in heaven.

Trinity FRAUD goes straight to the dustbin. DOA !

Most times when people that support the Trinity doctrine put forward scriptures to support their claim, it portrays them as either lacking comprehension or just not being able to reason at all. That passage that the guy sent is blatantly AGAINST the Trinity doctrine he was trying to prove.

MuttleyLaff:
jamesid29 hey, long time no see around.

Baba Ravi Zacharias RIP, nailed the concept of trinity on its head.

Fact is, God can't be boxed. I love the multi-dimensional illustration Baba used and so why I stamped my like on that post.

Hey boss, yea it's been a minute. Hope you are good

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the word Trinity was not specifically mentioned in the Bible. but if you really read through the scripture, you will see the claim of trinity as one to be true.

John 1:1 says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

1vs12 now says 'and the word was made flesh 'and we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten of the father'. full of grace and truth.

to make it clear: 1. the word was God 2.the word which was God came as a flesh 'Jesus came as a flesh'

John 4:24 says God is a spirit, and definitely, holy spirit was mostly mentioned by Jesus as the spirit of truth. so God is really the spirit and also Jesus. *so I would like to tell you to take the trinity as a person with many roles*

Sips kunu.

olamy7:
the word Trinity was not specifically mentioned in the Bible. but if you really read through the scripture, you will see the claim of trinity as one to be true.

John 1:1 says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

1vs12 now says 'and the word was made flesh 'and we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten of the father'. full of grace and truth.

to make it clear: 1. the word was God 2.the word which was God came as a flesh 'Jesus came as a flesh'

John 4:24 says God is a spirit, and definitely, holy spirit was mostly mentioned by Jesus as the spirit of truth. so God is really the spirit and also Jesus. *so I would like to tell you to take the trinity as a person with many roles*

Seriously your points are not convincing. Read responses up there backed with verses.

Rozz:
When it comes to religious matters we have to use our heads sometimes.Trinity, in Christian doctrine is the unity of the father ,son and holy spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of central christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet christians in a threefold figure as (1) There creator,Lord,Father and judge as revealed in the old testament (2)as the lord who incarnated in figure of Jesus Christ who lived among human beings (3)As the holy spirit whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of new life.But neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.Did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew scriptures(Deutronomy 6:4).I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

Rozz: I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

Achorladey: Were you to be in the witness ORGANIZATION and raised QUESTIONS regarding their beliefs from those they TAGGED APOSTATES you will equally get same WARNING to be careful or told OUTRIGHT (don't listen to them or collect their materials).

The title of the THREAD says I am beginning to REASON with JWs you should add the Muslims too. They too accept the SHEMA and search out other UNITARIAN CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS

TRINITY doctrine remain unending DISCUSSION on Nairaland and everywhere else. It never DIES. The same JWs that will argue about TRINITY and say it is DEAD and BURIED will APPEAR in another thread discussing the same TRINITY that he just admit it's DEAD and BURIED.

So have you asked why many still come back to it? Every now and then. Three things come up

DOGMATISM( mine is right others are wrong), JUDGEMENTALISM( there doctrines is wrong ours is right, they are bad, we are good) and SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS(we are the true Christians they are false CHRISTIANS, they will perish we are the only one that will survive) the post of Maximus69 and Janosky give you a glimpse of what the story is all about.

I too have been involved in such DISCUSSION before but not anymore. The things and spirit having that unending DISCUSSION breeds is those mentioned above.

You will accept the teachings of the JWs and still retain the THREE things above. So what improvement have you indeed made about KNOWING GOD.

Like MuttlleyLaff stated the moment you begin to THINK you can know everything about God is the MOMENT you CONFINED GOD into a BOX.

Matthew 11:27 comes to mind. 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

TRINITY doctrine ITSELF will not bar you from MISSING JESUS HIMSELF explaining the relationship that exists between the Himself, His Father and the Spirit of God.......reechoing kobojunkie words

achorladey:


Rozz: I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

Achorladey: Were you to be in the witness ORGANIZATION and raised QUESTIONS regarding their beliefs from those they TAGGED APOSTATES you will equally get same WARNING to be careful or told OUTRIGHT (don't listen to them or collect their materials).

The title of the THREAD says I am beginning to REASON with JWs you should add the Muslims too. They too accept the SHEMA and search out other UNITARIAN CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS

TRINITY doctrine remain unending DISCUSSION on Nairaland and everywhere else. It never DIES. The same JWs that will argue about TRINITY and say it is DEAD and BURIED will APPEAR in another thread discussing the same TRINITY that he just admit it's DEAD and BURIED.

So have you asked why many still come back to it? Every now and then. Three things come up

DOGMATISM( mine is right others are wrong), JUDGEMENTALISM( there doctrines is wrong ours is right, they are bad, we are good) and SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS(we are the true Christians they are false CHRISTIANS, they will perish we are the only one that will survive) the post of Maximus69 and Janosky give you a glimpse of what the story is all about.

I too have been involved in such DISCUSSION before but not anymore. The things and spirit having that unending DISCUSSION breeds is those mentioned above.

You will accept the teachings of the JWs and still retain the THREE things above. So what improvement have you indeed made about KNOWING GOD.

Like MuttlleyLaff stated the moment you begin to THINK you can know everything about God is the MOMENT you CONFINED GOD into a BOX.

Matthew 11:27 comes to mind. 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

TRINITY doctrine ITSELF will not bar you from MISSING JESUS HIMSELF explaining the relationship that exists between the Himself, His Father and the Spirit of God.......reechoing kobojunkie words

Nobody confined God into any box.

Be humble to ACKNOWLEDGE AND ACCEPT the Truth Jesus Christ revealed about himself and his God and Father in heaven even though you have no comprehensive record of everything he did in heaven and earth.
The DISCLOSURE Jesus Christ made in the physical realm and the spiritual realm is SUFFICIENT FOR YOU.

John 15:15. John 7:16, It is what his God and Father taught and sent Jesus to teach.

(Matthew 16:13-17. Revelations 1:1,4-6. 3:5,12.
John 20:17,30-31).

Any ADDITION CONTRARY to what Jesus Christ himself said amounts to GIBBERISH, man made FRAUD popularly called Trinity.

*

olamy7:
the word Trinity was not specifically mentioned in the Bible. but if you really read through the scripture, you will see the claim of trinity as one to be true.

John 1:1 says in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

1vs12 now says 'and the word was made flesh 'and we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten of the father'. full of grace and truth.

to make it clear: 1. the word was God 2.the word which was God came as a flesh 'Jesus came as a flesh'

John 4:24 says God is a spirit, and definitely, holy spirit was mostly mentioned by Jesus as the spirit of truth. so God is really the spirit and also Jesus. *so I would like to tell you to take the trinity as a person with many roles*

No DECEIVE yourself.
Luke 9:30-35 Read, Study and RECEIVE SENSE, Yahweh Himself Says Trinitarian TWIST of John 1:1,14 is a FRAUD.

The popular English version of John 1:1 IS VERY DIFFERENT from the koine Greek language of John 1:1. The Word was facing towards the God and the Word was divine (Greek Theos= a god/God).
The Word is Theos, A god= divine.
Bros,John1:1, John 17:3 says Jesus is NOT the True God,his Father.

Colossians 1:19, it PLEASES the Father, Yahweh TO GIVE divine quality (nature) to His Son.

achorladey:


Rozz: I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

Achorladey: Were you to be in the witness ORGANIZATION and raised QUESTIONS regarding their beliefs from those they TAGGED APOSTATES you will equally get same WARNING to be careful or told OUTRIGHT (don't listen to them or collect their materials).

The title of the THREAD says I am beginning to REASON with JWs you should add the Muslims too. They too accept the SHEMA and search out other UNITARIAN CHRISTIAN DENOMINATIONS

TRINITY doctrine remain unending DISCUSSION on Nairaland and everywhere else. It never DIES. The same JWs that will argue about TRINITY and say it is DEAD and BURIED will APPEAR in another thread discussing the same TRINITY that he just admit it's DEAD and BURIED.

So have you asked why many still come back to it? Every now and then. Three things come up

DOGMATISM( mine is right others are wrong), JUDGEMENTALISM( there doctrines is wrong ours is right, they are bad, we are good) and SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS(we are the true Christians they are false CHRISTIANS, they will perish we are the only one that will survive) the post of Maximus69 and Janosky give you a glimpse of what the story is all about.

I too have been involved in such DISCUSSION before but not anymore. The things and spirit having that unending DISCUSSION breeds is those mentioned above.

You will accept the teachings of the JWs and still retain the THREE things above. So what improvement have you indeed made about KNOWING GOD.

Like MuttlleyLaff stated the moment you begin to THINK you can know everything about God is the MOMENT you CONFINED GOD into a BOX.

Matthew 11:27 comes to mind. 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

TRINITY doctrine ITSELF will not bar you from MISSING JESUS HIMSELF explaining the relationship that exists between the Himself, His Father and the Spirit of God.......reechoing kobojunkie words

Job 42:7 is there for you . anyone that believe lies about God has his wrath upon him. So either trinity is true or its false. It has consequence.

At Rozz

See Job 42:7 and why you should research well on Trinity.

God " said to Eliphaz the Temanite: "I am ANGRY with you and your two friends, FOR YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN THE TRUTH ABOUT ME , as my servant Job has. "

According to this Mumu at acholardey, it doesnt matter what you believe. God is not angry.

Peacefullove:

Job 42:7 is there for you . anyone that believe lies about God has his wrath upon him. So either trinity is true or its false. It has consequence.
At Rozz
See Job 42:7 and why you should research well on Trinity.
God " said to Eliphaz the Temanite: "I am ANGRY with you and your two friends, FOR YOU HAVE NOT SPOKEN THE TRUTH ABOUT ME , as my servant Job has. "
According to this Mumu at acholardey, it doesnt matter what you believe. God is not angry.

I don't think you even begin to understand what it was that God was angry at Job's friends for. If you understood, you would not be happy with them as well. Actually, it is not even far from what you are attempting to do even right now.

Take a chill pill....Jesus came to save you, not condemn you.

Kobojunkie:
I don't think you even begin to understand what it was that God was angry at Job's friends for. If you understood, you would not be happy with them as well.

Take a chill pill....Jesus came to save you, not condemn you.

For speaking Lies about him. We need to ask : Is the Almighty God a trinity or One Supreme being? Which is true ? Which is lie ?


Repercussions of the lies is what I stated for you at Job 42:7 . deal with it

Peacefullove:
For speaking Lies about him. We need to ask : Is the Almighty God a trinity or One Supreme being? Which is true ? Which is lie ?

And who are we to ask our questions? God or man?

Peacefullove:
Repercussions of the lies is what I stated for you at Job 42:7 . deal with it

Aren't those the same repercussions for our sins, any sin?

Kobojunkie:
And who are we to ask our questions? God or man?
Aren't those the same repercussions for our sins, any sin?

Lie against him the repercussions are there.

For who to ask , Check your Bible at 2Tim 3 vs 16,17

"All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."

That book will help correct any Lie.

That same book made us know the Almighty never has someone above him. But we can't say same for Jesus. He has a God , Your God is your superior. Its clear we have one supreme being who has no one above him . the Father.

Peacefullove:
Lie against him the repercussions are there.
For who to ask , Check your Bible at 2Tim 3 vs 16,17
"All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work."
That book will help correct any Lie.
That same book made us know the Almighty never has someone above him. But we can't say same for Jesus. He has a God , Your God is your superior. Its clear we have one supreme being who has no one above him . the Father.

Ok, so when God said the following, was He lying?

Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34
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31. This is what the Lord said, “The time is coming when I will make a new agreement with the family of Israel and with the family of Judah.
32. It will not be like the agreement I made with their ancestors. I made that agreement when I took them by the hand and brought them out of Egypt. I was their master, but they broke that agreement.” This message is from the Lord.

33. “In the future I will make this agreement with the people of Israel.” This message is from the Lord. “I will put my teachings in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
34. People will not have to teach their neighbors and relatives to know the Lord, because all people, from the least important to the most important, will know me.” This message is from the Lord. “I will forgive them for the evil things they did. I will not remember their sins.”

Do you not believe Him at His word?