forgiveness:


Thanks thegoodjoe.

safarigirl:


It has to be people that are very familiar with the challenges and willing to work through them, not the Oliseh types, that will assume the world is out to get them.

Familiarity is a necessary part of investment. You cannot invest into a market you aren't familiar with.

Joebie:
So if they want to come tomorrow, you say wait first let our homegrown do it first? I don't get the logic. It's not a question of who can do it better now, or who understands the situation better. It is the turn by turn method you are trying to employ.

TheGoodJoe:


There is what is called risk management and solutions around it. Heck, we have private folks running clubs in Nigeria and to an extent doing well.

To even go back a bit, I remember Bright Stars Football Club, a club that focused a lot on young players. It was like an academy but got chances to play some big clubs.

I remember their under 17 team ripping the then U17 National team, 4-0 at Calabar and raised some quality players like Akpan Brassey and Kelechi Osunwa.

If our local players have the zeal, they will find a way. Private investments are not much sabotaged as compared to those with public attachments.

We need local players looking into the possibility of using seeing the local scene as an investment opportunity.

Oruma lost two billion naira in a ghost oil deal. Imagine if he invested some into setting up a footie club, it would have gone a long way to benefit him.

mostob:
you really didn't get my point. I'm not saying Victor is too big for arsenal. What I'm implying is that Arsenal are rebuilding. Many players will be sold/released and some will be bought. This , I think can't give victor the atmosphere to properly settle in. You sef see how dem dey drag Pepe na .

Joebie:
Go ask many successful businessmen today they will tell you stories of their many losses. Investment should be open to all who can. The prudent ones with the thickest skin will make heads way anyway, many will be unsuccessful You want to regulate who should invest based on how successful you think they will be or whether they are homegrown or not.. una matter tire me. we have a long way to go.

TheGoodJoe:


No one said it is turn by turn or they can not take the lead. The fact is that you are turning your eyes from the motivational aspect.

These guys can not be motivated to do something they do not know about. They need the familiarity. If they want to, by all means, they are welcomed.

No one has said they should not come.

I am just saying those who know what is on ground, been part of the system and have an idea of the prospects should lead the way. Touch shining a light for the others to find their way in.

Nothing antagonistic about it.

TheGoodJoe:


You are just burying your head in an antagonistic notion. I repeat no one said it should be regulated. I wonder where your getting that bent idea from. It is not the point in any way.

If any of them wants to start, I bet you they will call their fellow Nigerian footballing friends for their take on things and advice. Why? Because, they know the Nigerian has more familiarity.

Does that sound like marginalisation?

I said, to motivate their foreign counterparts to do the same, not marginalise, the homegrowns need to show commitment.

I wonder why you have a problem with that.

Joebie:
There is a reason why I quoted your first line. Any serious entrepreneur (regardless of where they come from) who is considering embarking on a said biz venture knows well to do their due diligence and get as much knowledge as possible before deciding on whether to dive in or not. It's not in your position to set standards on who should go first.

TheGoodJoe:


Which my position?

I have no position it is just plain logic.

If foreigners see homegrown footballers they know succeeding and making big marks in the African scene. Financially and also boosting developments. They will be motivated to look that way.

Plain logic.

Joebie:
yes plain logic in any business venture. Those who don't know the terrain will learn from others who have weathered it or at least learn from experts who have done studies. I am looking at all of them as prospective investors. There isn't really any need to divide them in two groups yet again, and have to pinpoint that one group should lead the way.

5inchdick:

He could also have performed poorly too. Fact is non gave us a better result.

TheGoodJoe:


While we are waiting for all prospects, those here should start something. Finidi - Port Harcourt, Amunike - Owerri, Yobo - Port Harcourt, Kanu Owerri etc.

Does that sound like marginalisation or division?

benji93:
He could? Did he? Of course, he did. Rohr would be glad he can achieve what Keshi has. Do you not remember the crop of players Keshi won with, and to top it, we got to the knockout stage of the world cup, the following year. We have not had this crop of players in a long time, honestly. Most of them are young but we've got a talented bunch in our hands. I repeat Rohr better do something with this. And I actually do believe there are local coaches out there that can do as much as Rohr with this crop of players. He hasn't done much with the team anyway. By this I mean we will have to wait till he starts winning trophies to properly assess him. The thing is we would like to have a number of local coaches excelling, and acquiring some technical shrewdness, although at the moment good local coaches are very scarce. Thanks do our system.

benji93:
Victor too big for Arsenal? Take am easy now. Perhaps Osimhen is too small for Arsenal. . Pepe is one example of why you should be cautious about taking players from the farmers league. . unless they are in the top 2-3%. You may argue that Arsenal does not have the manpower to enable Osimhen but to say Arsenal too small, Naaaa.

benji93:
He could? Did he? Of course, he did. Rohr would be glad he can achieve what Keshi has. Do you not remember the crop of players Keshi won with, and to top it, we got to the knockout stage of the world cup, the following year. We have not had this crop of players in a long time, honestly. Most of them are young but we've got a talented bunch in our hands. I repeat Rohr better do something with this. And I actually do believe there are local coaches out there that can do as much as Rohr with this crop of players. He hasn't done much with the team anyway. By this I mean we will have to wait till he starts winning trophies to properly assess him. The thing is we would like to have a number of local coaches excelling, and acquiring some technical shrewdness, although at the moment good local coaches are very scarce. Thanks do our system.

Joebie:
There is a reason why coaches have mandates. I've never heard an SE coach get the mandate to win 20 number of matches out of 30 for example. It's always based on winning a cup or making a certain level of progress at tourneys. some kind of arguments is not just worth it.

Joebie:
There is a reason why coaches have mandates. I've never heard an SE coach get the mandate to win 20 number of matches out of 30 for example. It's always based on winning a cup or making a certain level of progress at tourneys. some kind of arguments is not just worth it.

Edopesin:


I can't wait to see Man u fail to enter top 4

TheSuperNerd:
I am very good indeed, thank you. Always a pleasure Elder Enomakos.

5inchdick:

Stop believing. How many of these coaches have given better results. it's ironic nairaland now set Keshi as a benchmark for successful local coach. Same Keshi majority of you here said was tactically inept? Same Keshi lot of you denigrated his achievements, stating he was lucky to have won the AFCON and shit?
I still believed Keshi is the best Eagle's coach but it's fallacy to say he would perform better with these set of players as he could even perform worse with them. Remember his ego made him ignore some top players in the team, same could repeat if Keshi is coach today.
We have a coach who is building a team which you all are proud of but it seems he ain't your favourite. let the local coach get the team, since he will surely get a better result. Bullcrap! Let the local coach build his own team and get better results.

maidaboi:
long time Sir

mostob:
sorry ,how does what you posted here correlate with my insinuations?

benji93:
I would stop you there. I am not among the majority, although I believe he could have done better. His technical ability wasn't top-notch. But man I can not argue with a trophy, and advancement to the second round, however, he got it, whether he got lucky or not he still did. And if Keshi is not the benchmark who is? Stop throwing words around man, calm down. . It's fallacious to opine that someone who won Afcon and got the team to the second round of the world cup could do better with better players? Are you kidding me? Or are we talking about a different kind of fallacy? Cos i amn't understanding you. . You all are proud of. Who and who? You have not been paying attention. Get them trophies, then we can properly assess you, you say wetin. Perhaps we have different opinions on what winning entails. For me, the number of trophies you win significantly defines your coaching status.

Edit: I could ask a similar question, how many foreign coaches have done better than Keshi?

TheGoodJoe:


That is why the zeal is a big part of it. Look at Sharks falling, a team of the calibre of Sharks FC go down like that, a team that its system has produced players like Ebiede, Finidi George, Taribo West, Owubokiri, iyenemi furo and Peter Rufai.

If they saw local football as an investment opportunity and taking over the club, the tradition would have continued.

5inchdick:

Your argument is hinged on that: You drew a comparison from what you know, and now, you are assuming that the unknown will follow similar pattern. That, my son, is a fallacy.

And for your question, I don't see how it concerns me.

safarigirl:
Welcome, Clint02. How was your time away?

enomakos:
nice to have u back here

benji93:
Apologies, the first sentence was what i thought you wrote.